Constitutional Militias?

No, There was to be NO Federal law enforcement in the Constitution. The place of Government is to step in when rights are violated by the State.
The Highest Law enforcement should be the local Sheriff.
There should be NO standing Army (including an army of police) , that is the place of the militia.
Should a Sheriff need assistance, he could call on the local Armed Citizens.
Citizens are responsible for their own protection, and should have the means to do so.

Things have changed since the Constitution was adopted. While I don't think there should be an FBI, a police department seems fine to me as long as it merely enforces the law. This is the kind of position that causes us to lose elections. People like the message, and then they hear wacky ideas like "let's eliminate the PD." and they then leave because who else is going to protect them? If you substitute in the sheriff, you get the same end result, just you have a beefed-up Sheriff's Department with just as many patrols as the cops, just brown instead of blue.
 
Things have changed since the Constitution was adopted. While I don't think there should be an FBI, a police department seems fine to me as long as it merely enforces the law. This is the kind of position that causes us to lose elections. People like the message, and then they hear wacky ideas like "let's eliminate the PD." and they then leave because who else is going to protect them? If you substitute in the sheriff, you get the same end result, just you have a beefed-up Sheriff's Department with just as many patrols as the cops, just brown instead of blue.
Well if you accept the Corrupted system that we have it is difficult to see life and law as they should be, and as they were intended.
Were it not for the abundance of unconstitutional and convoluted laws, and federal laws overriding state and local laws, we would not have the need for a Huge Law Enforcement army.
The FBI and Rise of the Police State and the abundance of laws are the result of ignoring the Founders. Organized Crime was the result of violations of Individual rights. The War on drugs was a excuse to grow the police state, and to control the population.
It is all about CONTROL.
If their job was protecting RIGHTS, less would be needed.
It is the purpose of Government to protect the rights of citizens, not to control them.
 
If we respected property rights and the second ammendment enough we wouldn't need a police department..

Would you target an individual knowing that everyone around you is armed?

I think criminals would reconsider.

Criminals attack weak opponents.

If everyone has a gun then it becomes a fair fight.

I have to agree, most people who do not understand property rights would think abolishing police departments is absurd, that's why I don't speak of it unless I'm in such a place as this forum.
 
If we respected property rights and the second ammendment enough we wouldn't need a police department..

Would you target an individual knowing that everyone around you is armed?

I think criminals would reconsider.

Criminals attack weak opponents.

If everyone has a gun then it becomes a fair fight.

I have to agree, most people who do not understand property rights would think abolishing police departments is absurd, that's why I don't speak of it unless I'm in such a place as this forum.

When everyone owned a gun, there was still crime. We would need less law enforcement, but there still would need to be a police department and sheriff's department. I don't know what is so wrong with a police department as long as they enforce just laws and show probable cause.
 
Police are necessary!

The problem as i see it is the way police are taught and used. The sheriff should be the only police force, I don't care if they increase the numbers I just care that the man we choose to serve as sheriff is an Elected member of the community. The Police force serves many roles beyond the criminal way the federal and state governments are using them.

This is a huge issue though and is very entangled in the corrupt way our government operates. All funding for such a force should come from the local community and not through government funding or grants paid for by the funds they still from us and with hold if out community dose not submit to there tyranny. There is little difference between the Sheriff and the police as both have become grossly federalized.

The rights of the people to self defense, community defense, property defense , should be restored. This would cut down the number of violent crime, as well as the need for a large police force.

The problem now is that most people see the police as the evil force stealing there birthright and with some justification. The police force should be seen as protectors of the community and not the enemy. For this to happen the other things I mentioned would have to happen first.

In KY state police are not deployed to the county they live in, this is to prevent them from respecting the bond they have with there community and to insure that can steal the liberty's of free people with no sense of being one of the victims. Our sheriff on the other hand is a very respectful man who very much understands his ties to the community.
 
Police think they are above the law.

Sure, crime will never stop, however we can decrease crime rates.

Since our police departments came into play our crime rate has soared.

Well armed law abiding citizens can do a much better job.

Ending the war on drugs, legalizing moonshine and a 0.3% vat tax would end crime as we know it.

Most criminals turn to crime as a way of making an income or an emotional outlet for stress which is caused by poverty most likely.

End unnecessary taxes and you'll have less poverty.

End welfare and everyone has to pull their own weight, no jealousy.
 
Police think they are above the law.

Sure, crime will never stop, however we can decrease crime rates.

Since our police departments came into play our crime rate has soared.

Well armed law abiding citizens can do a much better job.

Ending the war on drugs, legalizing moonshine and a 0.3% vat tax would end crime as we know it.

Most criminals turn to crime as a way of making an income or an emotional outlet for stress which is caused by poverty most likely.

End unnecessary taxes and you'll have less poverty.

End welfare and everyone has to pull their own weight, no jealousy.

Not all police think they are above the law. Please rephrase your statement.
 
Not all police think they are above the law. Please rephrase your statement.

I don't think ALL police are corrupt. And I am not saying the we need to do away with the police altogether.
Through a hundred years of bad law and corrupted government we are a twisted society.
If we were to return to Constitutional Government we would overturn 90% of the laws, and with them gone crime would be less, and police could concentrate on keeping peace rather than enforcing laws.
I understand that we are so far from what was intended that it is hard for some to imagine.
The Militia was meant to be the ultimate Peace Keepers.
 
I don't think ALL police are corrupt. And I am not saying the we need to do away with the police altogether.
Through a hundred years of bad law and corrupted government we are a twisted society.
If we were to return to Constitutional Government we would overturn 90% of the laws, and with them gone crime would be less, and police could concentrate on keeping peace rather than enforcing laws.
I understand that we are so far from what was intended that it is hard for some to imagine.
The Militia was meant to be the ultimate Peace Keepers.

Who says they were meant to be the ultimate peace keepers?
 
Who says they were meant to be the ultimate peace keepers?

The founders, in their writings.
"Under every government the dernier [Fr. last, or final]
resort of the people, is an appeal to the sword; whether to defend
themselves against the open attacks of a foreign enemy, or to check
the insidious encroachments of domestic foes. Whenever a people...
entrust the defence of their country to a regular, standing army,
composed of mercenaries, the power of that country will remain
under the direction of the most wealthy citizens."

Quote by: A Framer
Anonymous 'framer' of the US Constitution
Source: Independent Gazetteer, January 29, 1791
"The militia of these free commonwealths,
entitled and accustomed to their arms,
when compared with any possible army,
must be tremendous and irresistible.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves?
Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms
each man against his own bosom.
Congress have no power to disarm the militia.
Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier,
are the birth-right of an American ...
the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands
of either the federal or state governments,
but, where I trust in God it will ever remain,
in the hands of the people."

Quote by: Tench Coxe
(1755-1824) American political economist
Source: Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."

Quote by: Tench Coxe
(1755-1824) American political economist
Date: 20 Feb 1788

"Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing
degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own
defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our
own possession and under our own direction, and having them under
the management of Congress? If our defence be the_real_object of
having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more
propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"

Quote by: Patrick Henry
(1736-1799)
Source: June 9, 1788, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution, in_Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution,_ Jonathan Elliot, ed., v.3 p.168 (Philadelphia, 1836)

"The right of a citizen to bear arms,
in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute.
He does not derive it from the State government.
It is one of the high powers delegated directly to the citizen,
and is excepted out of the general powers of government.
A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it,
because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power."

Quote by: Cockrum v. State
Source: 24 Tex.394, at 401-402 (1859)

I can post many, many more.
Can you post anything from our Founders that backs the Police State?
 
Who says they were meant to be the ultimate peace keepers?

A few more on this point.

"[The People] are the ultimate, guardians of their own liberty."

Quote by: Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these:
first, a right to life;
secondly, to liberty;
thirdly to property;
together with the right to support and defend them
in the best manner they can."

Quote by: Samuel Adams
(1722-1803), was known as the "Father of the American Revolution."

"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution,
are worth defending at all hazards;
and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.
We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors:
they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure
and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence.
It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation,
enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us
by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them
by the artifices of false and designing men."

Quote by: Samuel Adams
(1722-1803), was known as the "Father of the American Revolution."

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or
give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end
of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to
freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man
to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave."

Quote by: Samuel Adams
(1722-1803), was known as the "Father of the American Revolution." Samuel Adams instigated the Boston Tea Party, was one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, called for the first Continental Congress, and served as a member of Congress until 1781. Samuel Adams formed the Committees of Correspondence, which were largely responsible for the unity and cohesion of the Colonists preceding the Revolution. The original committee, formed in Boston, had three goals: (1) To delineate the rights of Colonists as men; (2) To detail how these rights had been violated; (3) To publicize these rights and the violations thereof throughout the Colonies
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia?
It is to prevent the establishment
of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...
Whenever Governments mean to invade
the rights and liberties of the people,
they always attempt to destroy the militia,
in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

Quote by: Elbridge Gerry
(1744-1814) of Massachusetts, Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Member of the Constitutional Convention
Source: spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, August 17, 1789

I think the point is made, and is clear. It is not MY point, but that of the Founders.
 
The founders, in their writings.









I can post many, many more.
Can you post anything from our Founders that backs the Police State?

No. But thanks for assuming that is what I'm advocating just because I disagree with you. I can post some things about Washington about how much he distrusted and didn't like militias.

"Washington probably never understood the anomaly of his wishing to make a revolution with a conventional eighteenth-century army--to establish once and for all American independence with an organization which systematically broke the personal independence of its members. But he never gave up this desire. Yet he believed passionately in the American cause as its most enlightened advocates defined it: as a struggle for the rights of man. When those rights were translated into personal codes and into behavior, they did not necessarily subvert the will and discipline of an army--once a genuine army was created, an army which orders were followed and men did their duty. But why should anyone expect the unbridled creatures who appeared in the militia to fight and to hold fast when their lives were endangered? They should fight--Washington insisted--for their honor, their fame, and glory, those aristocratic virtues which free men might value were they properly instructed and trained. Free men might fight for their honor and for a great cause. But they would not fight in their present organization--the militia, for example, with its local orientation, its incompetent and democratically chosen officers, its disdain of discipline, and its short enlistments.
Washington's distrust of civilian-in-arms ran so deep as to blind him to the possibility--realized twenty years later in the French Revolution--of drawing the entire population into the war...the best that could be done in the Revolution was to create a standing army composed of free men broken of some of the worst habits freedom engendered..." The Glorious Cause by Robert Middlekauff p. 343

"George Washington admired European military doctrine. He had begun reading the European authorities while serving as commander for the Virginia militia and soon confirmed their judgments for himself. That books told the truth--sometimes--did not surprise him, but his own experience with the militia did, and discouraged him as well. Under arms his fellow Virginians resembled those in civilian life--stubborn, undisciplined, and lacking in public spirit...A week after he arrived at Cambridge, he was writing Richard Henry Lee that 'The abuses in this army, I fear, are considerable and the new modeling of it, in the face of an enemy, from whom we every hour we expect an attack, is exceedingly difficult and dangerous.' The weakness of his army, he believed, was inherent in any nonprofessional force--its members, officers, and men alike, had interests and ties which could not be reconciled with the purposes of a professional army." Middlekauff p. 306

The fact is, while militias played a role in the Revolutionary War, the Continental Army was the key to victory. I'm not sure where the founders promoted no police force and that civilians were to be the ones that enforced the law.
 
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I'm seriously considering joining a militia. I was wondering if those members in a militia would like to expand their numbers using the Ron Paul meet up group members. I was wondering if there would be a general call by militias to try to recruit Ron Paul meet up members so we can organize a bit better nationally.

this is a great idea...we need to spread the word...educate.....and others will join.
 
A few more on this point.










I think the point is made, and is clear. It is not MY point, but that of the Founders.

First of all, you're taking Jefferson's quote out of context. Where does he suggest civilians take up arms to defend liberty? Against foreign aggression? I'll buy that. But to be a vigilante force? Or the people be its own police force? I agree we ought to defend our liberty, but can't defend it at the ballot box? Maybe that's what he meant? You don't know because that quote is so incredibly vague. But that's ok,not taking a quote out of context wouldn't serve your purpose.

Second. Sam Adams definately was not the "Father of the American Revolution." Again, you have no evidence to suggest that what he meant was civilian police force. You just assume that is what he meant.

Third. Elbridge Gerry's quote is nothing but a rail against a standing army. Madison did it as well in the Federalist papers. But so what? A standing army has nothing to do with civilian police force. You're taking all these quotes out of context, just like liberals do when they quote the founders to promote more big government. It's all in the name of entrapping ignorant people who can't think critically or who don't know real history.

EDIT: Upon reading your post again, I don't blame you for having bias. "Sam Adams instigated the Boston Tea Party." That is simply not true. There is no historical evidence to back that up. I'll be happy to provide you with why it's not true.
 
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No. But thanks for assuming that is what I'm advocating just because I disagree with you. I can post some things about Washington about how much he distrusted and didn't like militias.


The fact is, while militias played a role in the Revolutionary War, the Continental Army was the key to victory. I'm not sure where the founders promoted no police force and that civilians were to be the ones that enforced the law.

Washington was looking at it as a Military commander, and in fact the Continental Army was composed of those Militia (the people), which were later trained and disciplined.
The Standing Army was later disbanded, and those people returned to the local Militias.

As far as Law enforcement, The problems began as Federal Laws were imposed on the whole country. This was never intended. The Gun Laws of the 30s, and the drug laws have been imposed and were not challenged.
Federal Enforcement that should have been disbanded after prohibition, was increased, and new laws created for them to enforce.
The marijuana Tax act was found to be unconstitutional, but new laws were created to take its place.
Laws have been written to deny the right of self defense, and are only now being challenged.
It has been incremental, but it was never the intention of the founders.
It is the intention of those that want to Control and Shape society.
There is a valid purpose for Law enforcement, but is has been perverted into a Control Arm of those that do not respect Liberty.
This Power was to be in the hands of the People, Not at the whim of Government.
 
In an effort to bring this back to Ron Paul's position, which I agree with.
This from the RP Library.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=46
May 18, 1998
Federalization of crime contrary to Constitution

Last week, Congress moved our nation closer to a national police state by further expanding the already-unconstitutional litany of federal crimes.

Of course, it is much easier to ride the popular wave of federalizing every misdeed, than to uphold a Constitutional Oath which prescribes protection from what is perhaps the worst evil imaginable: totalitarianism.

What Member of Congress, especially in an election year, wants to be portrayed as soft on crime or deadbeat parents, irrespective of the transgressions against individual liberties and a trampling of our Constitution?

The federal government was designed to be limited in power. In fact, there is a strict enumeration of the spheres in which Congress is allowed to act. For every other issue, only the state governments or the people, in their private market actions, enjoy constitutionally protected right to those powers. The tenth amendment is brutally clear: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. "

But rather than abide by our constitutional limits, Congress recently passed two pieces of legislation - neither containing a shred of constitutional authority - which, of course, were "non-controversial" despite moving us further from the notion of a limited government. One piece of legislation pledged that the Congress will "pass legislation that provides the weapons and tools necessary to protect our children and our communities from the dangers of drug addiction and violence." Setting aside for the moment the practicality of federal prohibition laws, an experiment which failed miserably with alcohol in the 1920s, the threshold question must be: "under what authority do we act?" Whether any governmental entity should be protecting individuals from themselves and their own stupidity is certainly debatable; whether the federal government is constitutionally empowered to do so is not. Being stupid or brilliant to one's sole disadvantage or advantage, respectively, is exactly what liberty is all about.

The second legislative fiasco was the Deadbeat Parents Punishment Act of 1998. This bill expands federal criminal law by imposing more sanctions on those who fail to meet child support obligations imposed by individual states. Further, the bills shifts some burden of proof from the federal government to the accused, a radical departure from the American notion of "innocent until proven guilty." Even worse, this legislation seems to reintroduce the notion of federal "debtor prisons," a vestige of the past best left in the past.

Perhaps more dangerous than either of these items individually is what they represent collectively: a move towards a federal police force. Constitutionally, there are only three federal crimes: treason against the United States, piracy on the high seas, and counterfeiting. Despite the various pleas for federal correction of societal wrongs, a national police force is neither prudent nor constitutional.

The argument is that states are less effective than a centralized federal government in dealing with individuals who flee one state for another to avoid prosecution. The Constitution preserves the integrity of states, and provides the means for them to exact penalties from those who violate their laws, and the Constitution provides for the return of fugitives from one state to another. There is, of course, an inconvenience imposed upon states in working with one another, rather than relying on a national police force. But there is a greater cost to individual liberty from a centralized police power.

There is a simple, sound reason to maintain a system of smaller, independent jurisdictions -- it is called competition and, yes, governments must, for the sake of the liberty of the citizenry, be allowed to compete.

When small governments becomes too oppressive, citizens can vote with their feet, moving to a "competing" jurisdiction. If, for example, one state has a high income tax which the residents feel is inappropriate, they can move to Texas (as many have done) to keep more of their earnings. But as government becomes more centralized, it becomes more difficult to vote with one's feet. There must be ample opportunity for citizen mobility: to proper governments and away from those which tend to be oppressive. Centralization of criminal law makes such mobility less and less practical.

And the federalization of every problem takes us further and further from the Constitution, and liberty.

A couple more worth reading.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=16
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=498
 
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Washington was looking at it as a Military commander, and in fact the Continental Army was composed of those Militia (the people), which were later trained and disciplined.
The Standing Army was later disbanded, and those people returned to the local Militias.

As far as Law enforcement, The problems began as Federal Laws were imposed on the whole country. This was never intended. The Gun Laws of the 30s, and the drug laws have been imposed and were not challenged.
Federal Enforcement that should have been disbanded after prohibition, was increased, and new laws created for them to enforce.
The marijuana Tax act was found to be unconstitutional, but new laws were created to take its place.
Laws have been written to deny the right of self defense, and are only now being challenged.
It has been incremental, but it was never the intention of the founders.
It is the intention of those that want to Control and Shape society.
There is a valid purpose for Law enforcement, but is has been perverted into a Control Arm of those that do not respect Liberty.
This Power was to be in the hands of the People, Not at the whim of Government.

That's fine. I'm not arguing for federal law enforcement. I'm simply trying to set the record straight. There is no credbile evidence to suggest the founders wanted civilians to be the law enforcement as opposed to a government entity doing it.

You can't say that the Constitutional thing to do is to get rid of 90% of the laws that don't respect liberty, at the same time advocating a republican form of government. If the local or state government wants to be a Control Arm that's their business because they are allowed to Constitutionally. At least if we are to go by the original understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights (as only pertaining to the federal government). This changed after the Civil War and especially the early 20th century when the Supreme Court felt that the Bill of Rights was meant to restrain the state government as well as the federal (which I disagree with).

Shifting gears, you're assement about the make up of the Continental Army is only partially correct. Militiamen did join the Army, but they were not part of a militia anymore, Washington made sure of that. The fact is, Washington strongly disliked militias for fighting and he felt they weren't useful in doing anything other than rabble rousing. The militia were used in certain battles to back up the Continental Army, but they didn't play some tremendous role. The French soldiers played more of a role in winning the revolution than militias (as entities).
 
Not to be forgotten <IMHO> is that Washington and many of his officers, many of the British generals and many of their officers were all Freemasons, whatever that brotherly affiliation may imply. :rolleyes:
 
That's fine. I'm not arguing for federal law enforcement. I'm simply trying to set the record straight. There is no credbile evidence to suggest the founders wanted civilians to be the law enforcement as opposed to a government entity doing it.

You can't say that the Constitutional thing to do is to get rid of 90% of the laws that don't respect liberty, at the same time advocating a republican form of government. If the local or state government wants to be a Control Arm that's their business because they are allowed to Constitutionally. At least if we are to go by the original understanding of the Constitution and Bill of Rights (as only pertaining to the federal government). This changed after the Civil War and especially the early 20th century when the Supreme Court felt that the Bill of Rights was meant to restrain the state government as well as the federal (which I disagree with).

Shifting gears, you're assement about the make up of the Continental Army is only partially correct. Militiamen did join the Army, but they were not part of a militia anymore, Washington made sure of that. The fact is, Washington strongly disliked militias for fighting and he felt they weren't useful in doing anything other than rabble rousing. The militia were used in certain battles to back up the Continental Army, but they didn't play some tremendous role. The French soldiers played more of a role in winning the revolution than militias (as entities).

Yes in fact you are arguing the Federal Law.
If not for Federal Law, there would be NO GUN CONTROL.
If not for Federal Law, there would be NO WAR ON DRUGS.
Those laws ALL come from Federal Law, and are backed by Federal Mandates.
States have the right to make laws, but these were put in place by the FED.
States have tried to change them but have been punished BY THE FED.
The Constitution is the Highest Law. State law is still subject to the Constitution, and what is not forbidden or mandated by the Constitution is up to the States or the People.
"Shall Not Be Infringed" is the LAW. Any law written that "infringes" is unconstitutional.

Now drug laws could be a State law, but they came into existence through Federal Law and were imposed on the states. They are costly, both in enforcement and in individual Liberty.
The War on Drugs is the cause of most crime. Ending it would be a huge savings to state economies, and cut the need for an Army of police.
With only Fraud, Theft, Rape, Assualt and Murder as crime a smaller force would be sufficient.
 
Yes in fact you are arguing the Federal Law.
If not for Federal Law, there would be NO GUN CONTROL.
If not for Federal Law, there would be NO WAR ON DRUGS.
Those laws ALL come from Federal Law, and are backed by Federal Mandates.
States have the right to make laws, but these were put in place by the FED.
States have tried to change them but have been punished BY THE FED.
The Constitution is the Highest Law. State law is still subject to the Constitution, and what is not forbidden or mandated by the Constitution is up to the States or the People.
"Shall Not Be Infringed" is the LAW. Any law written that "infringes" is unconstitutional.

Now drug laws could be a State law, but they came into existence through Federal Law and were imposed on the states. They are costly, both in enforcement and in individual Liberty.
The War on Drugs is the cause of most crime. Ending it would be a huge savings to state economies, and cut the need for an Army of police.
With only Fraud, Theft, Rape, Assualt and Murder as crime a smaller force would be sufficient.

Erm, this is getting way of topic, but since you're falsely accusing me again of something I'm not advocating, I am going to defend myself.

I've never advocated for a federal law enforcement. I've never advocated for federal laws restricting guns or drugs. Where have I said that? You seem to be confused. All I was doing was arguing that because state and local governments can Constitutionally (see the original understanding of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution pre Civil War), make a wide range of laws (like gun restriction and drug laws) that the feds shouldn't be able to make (like gun control laws and drug laws), there should be a governmental police force to do more than to "keep the peace" as you say, and there is no proof to suggest the founders disagreed with that assesment. A state and local police force, you know, like the ones that were in place before federal law enforcements? So I'm not sure what on earth you're talking about.

In the days of the early republic, the Americans knew that the Constitution was basically a check on the federal government. The Supreme Court case Barron v. Baltimore is a good example of this. States had a lot more free reign to pass whatever laws that tickled their fancy than they do today.

Also, I'm not sure why you think that state and local governments never make laws against guns or drugs unless they are forced to by the federal government. I can give you historical and contemporary examples of this. Please, brush up on your American history.
 
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