Constitutional Militias?

nullvalu

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What do some of you think of these unorganized militias? Is anyone here a member of one? I was thinking about attending a meeting at some point for the Indiana Militia Corps.

I'm not a "survivalist", nor do I really care to become one. Are most of the members of these militias also survivalists? I'm just curious is all.. Thanks..
 
The Dick act has always been unconstitutional, unorganized militia is not in the U.S.C

Well regulated and necessary are in the second amendment though.

I am in the Well regulated militia and coordinated the publishing of the National Militia Standards, there is a link in my sig line.
 
The Dick act has always been unconstitutional, unorganized militia is not in the U.S.C

Well regulated and necessary are in the second amendment though.

I am in the Well regulated militia and coordinated the publishing of the National Militia Standards, there is a link in my sig line.

The "well-regulated" part of the Second Amendment is not a qualifier or a requirement. If it was, who do you think would assume the authority to determine what constitutes a "well-regulated militia?" That's right - the state - and they'd obviously disqualify anything that's a real threat to state power (i.e. anything that can effectively counteract a tyrannical government), completely defeating the entire purpose of the Second Amendment. Therefore, the "well-regulated" adjective cannot be construed as anything other than an additional right: The true meaning of it is that you can create or participate in a paramilitary force, and no matter how well-regulated, organized, or powerful it is, the state cannot intervene - because it is your right. In other words, unorganized militias are as legitimate as any other.

Now, in terms of how practical or effective these unorganized militias are...can't help you there, nullvalu...but at least I'm bumping your thread :)
 
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"I ask, sir, what is the militia? ...

... It is the whole people except for a few public officials. "
-- George Mason


And you can find more pearls of wisdom from this man who gave us the Bill of Rights here: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_mason.html

As for what a militia is today, it is still what the Founders intended it to be. It only seems "odd" for two reasons:

1. There are a lot of groups that do not fall under the definition of militia as the Founder prescribed, but call themselves militias. The term itself is generic. Patriots banding together to fight for their freedom is a militia, as were the hurricane Katrina survivors who got together under arms and brough order back to their neigborhoods. Sadly there are a lot of morons out there who call themselves militia, and many criminals operating within identity or radical groups, when caught by the feds, are instructed to use the M word more for propaganda purposes. Even the media said that Timothy McVeigh was in a militia when in fact he was not. For a time the ADL pushed that line until a lawsuit started brewing over it.

2. People are so fearful of not only the M word, but of guns too. Therefore while the militia comprises the people, so few of the people actually train in that context it appears rather extreme. Add to that the work of the NRA pushing the gun are for hunting and personal defense angle for so long that the mere implication that the 2nd Amendment was intended to keep tyranny at bay is enough to get most of the "golfers with guns" nervous.


As for "joining" a militia, the closed recruitment thing is falling to the wayside as well. Failing to recognize the militia for what it is, according to what the founders thought it should be, opens a door to various problems. That of which most prominent are those who end up calling themselves "general" and start strutting around in a uniform all because they got their two cousins to agree to the idea.

So over the last 10 years there is a slow migration toward the concept that the militia already exists in the populace, and those "militia operators" are becoming more of a training cadre and offering time and effort to the cause of training the populace in the use of armaments, along with other ideas and related topics (survival, rally points, self reliance, etc).

Funny that you mentioned survivalists. Survivalists and militia are usually considered the same group and many times the equipment and ideas are the same but survivalists are more interested in getting away and hiding out in the hills and waiting out the trouble while militia are not going anywere, or only long enough to escape immediate danger. And considering the changing times and the growing police state, hiding out in some cabin on a mountain only means the tyrants minions have all the time in the world to make you their project. From tyranny, esecially with the control grid being put in place, there is nowhere one can hide.

As for what to expect from going to a militia meeting or something like that, I would be wary of anyone who outright and openly calls for the making of machine guns and bombs or the killing of people who have yet to give good reason for it (indeed that is a sore subject considering the level of treason going on these days). Since the mid-1990s the feds have made it their MO to join up with militia groups and then bring illegal stuff and push for crimes, thereby setting up everyone involved. Then the media gets another hit piece calling 2 guns an "arsenal" and the club house a "compound". I would agree that the NFA is BS and there are a lot of treasonous types needing tar and feathers but he who openly tries to get something done like that or make these items is usually an informant on a fishing expedition. In all setup cases I know of the feds try to make informants out of their targets.
Again, if you have guys strutting around calling themselves "General" or colonel or something like that, you might be dealing with people not running on all 8 cylinders. Groups that use cronyism and giving themselves or each other rank tend not to be very productive and when all is said and done they do more harm than good.

(but...... I AM NAPOLEON!)


While it is often said that patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, politics is the first. Therefore the militia is plagued with egomaniacs, blowhards, and various other negative nabobs of negativism. I could tell stories all day about this and some of the crap I have seen.

Partly because of that crap, and partly because of the changing landscape of lawfare where there are many pitfalls (like informants) and gotchas (PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act, SB1955, etc), the new structure for militia is actually going back to the original old structure of a community based decentralized organization using standing orders, a well regulated set of standards for shooting, and a code of ethics. The days of large centralized groups practicing infantry tactics from 1960s Army manuals are gone. Small units are now encouraged and those looking to be a more active militia operator are encouraged to create their own small unit consisting of friends, family, and close neigbors. There are arguments against this however because decentralization can lead to trouble with mission crossover and fratricide but these issues are in consideration for quite some time now and they are being dealt with. Communications and networking through smaller channels (individual contacts between small groups) are heavily emphasized along with standardization of target selection. Did I mention ethics? I mention ethics again.


I could go on all night about 5th Generation Warfare, 4th generation warfare (of that Bill Lind writes about best), special weapons, etc. But there are others who are better at that. I am mainly too busy leading my troops into Prussia right now but I alerted better men to this thread who will explain things much better than I can.
 
The "well-regulated" part of the Second Amendment is not a qualifier or a requirement. If it was, who do you think would assume the authority to determine what constitutes a "well-regulated militia?" That's right - the state - and they'd obviously disqualify anything that's a threat to state power, completely defeating the entire purpose of the Second Amendment. Therefore, the "well-regulated" adjective is actually an additional right: The true meaning of it is that you can create or participate in a paramilitary force, and no matter how well-regulated, organized, or powerful it is, the state cannot intervene - because it is your right. Therefore, unorganized militias are as legitimate as any other.

Now, in terms of how practical or effective these unorganized militias are...can't help you there, nullvalu...but at least I'm bumping your thread :)

In the context of the times the Bill of Rights was written, "well regulated" does not mean having lots of laws, standards, and rules to follow. Well regulated in those days meant "well trained".

The Founders said we must train.
 
Now, in terms of how practical or effective these unorganized militias are...can't help you there, nullvalu...

Thats why there are standards Mini-Me with verified skill levels, allowing the incident command system to best manage available assets.

Skilled teams have been known to have kill ratios of 10 to 1 making good organization well worth the trouble.
 
Well regulated in those days meant "well trained".

The Founders said we must train.

Best to define "well regulated" as in good working order, the founders learned a hard lesson using poorly equipped and poorly trained militia while minute men lead and well trained militia saved the day for the continentals.
 
Reguardless of what some think the MILITIA is NOT the National Guard. It is an entity our founders knew would be necessary for us ALL to remain FREE men and women, and not serfs to an overgrown national government!

Today the mass media is doing everything it can to make both 'Survivalist' and 'Militia' dirty words. You know the same folks who are doing everything in their power to keep Ron Paul's message from reaching the masses they want to control TOTALLY!

My family started in this country in 1645 by being in the 'militia' fighting whatever needed fighting. Now almost 400 years later my family is still fighting for this country. Some in the 'active' military, and some in the Militia. No matter which one we are in though we are still fighting for the same thing......The Constitution!
 
I am a "Friend of the Militia" , as I am disarmed by current laws.
I have contacted the local group, but due to my infringement I do not train with or have any official contact. This is for their protection.
I obey the laws, though I disagree with them.
When the SHTF I will not be so encumbered.
 
nullvalu: I am glad to hear that you are interested in contacting our group.

I am the IMC - G2 Officer and the 1st Brigade Commander.

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me via PM.


Everyone may want to checkout http://www.thirdcc.org We are currently updating our Militia Certification System. When completed all affiliated Militias will need to accept and practice the militia standards promoted by the AWRM with a few differences and changes.

All delegates for the 3CC must complete the Delegate Certification program.
 
In the Founders day and age, Well Regulated meant well trained AND well supplied. The militia included every able bodied male citizen and they were expected to provide their own weapons, ammo, and other equipment such as bed roll, water containers, food etc.
 
In the Founders day and age, Well Regulated meant well trained AND well supplied. The militia included every able bodied male citizen and they were expected to provide their own weapons, ammo, and other equipment such as bed roll, water containers, food etc.

agreed...
get involved. here are some ideas on gear to have on hand (as required for level 1 status in the michigan militia)
h ttp://www.michiganmilitia.com/literature/level_1.htm
 
What do some of you think of these unorganized militias? Is anyone here a member of one? I was thinking about attending a meeting at some point for the Indiana Militia Corps.

I'm not a "survivalist", nor do I really care to become one. Are most of the members of these militias also survivalists? I'm just curious is all.. Thanks..


That particular group is a great bunch of guys! I'm right below in KY and consider the very group you are speaking of allies in the fight to restore the militia to its once proud state and insure Liberty is help sacred. I urge you to contact them and get involved!!

You never know, you may meet me up there this year if i have the time ;)
 
i am part of the Georgia militia...

they are really fun... more about personal benefit and training to survive tyranny and disasters. you learn a lot.
 
Militias were a pain in the founders' ass especially Washington. They didn't last long, they were rag-tag, you couldn't tell them to do very much, and they weren't trusted. Though I would say as long as militias weren't acting as vigilantes or violating any state or local laws, they have every right to exist Constitutionally.
 
I'm seriously considering joining a militia. I was wondering if those members in a militia would like to expand their numbers using the Ron Paul meet up group members. I was wondering if there would be a general call by militias to try to recruit Ron Paul meet up members so we can organize a bit better nationally.

I mean can I just say "hey guys.. lets be a militia, k?"

Or is there some sort of organization I need to follow?
 
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I think we should return to some sort of militia reserves.

We should also abolish the police department, cia and fbi.

It should be the responsibility of law abiding citizens to protect their property.
 
I think we should return to some sort of militia reserves.

We should also abolish the police department, cia and fbi.

It should be the responsibility of law abiding citizens to protect their property.

You then eliminate the only purpose to have a government, which is to defend the rights of her citizens from those that want to take them away.
 
You then eliminate the only purpose to have a government, which is to defend the rights of her citizens from those that want to take them away.

No, There was to be NO Federal law enforcement in the Constitution. The place of Government is to step in when rights are violated by the State.
The Highest Law enforcement should be the local Sheriff.
There should be NO standing Army (including an army of police) , that is the place of the militia.
Should a Sheriff need assistance, he could call on the local Armed Citizens.
Citizens are responsible for their own protection, and should have the means to do so.
 
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