Constitution Party Question

Shotdown1027 said:
The CP of Louisiana IS recognized, but it only organized 6 months ago. Ballot access will easily be attained by November. The only reason we havent been on the ballot thus far is because of a series of subversive "leaders" who wanted to have a Dinner-party,rather than a Political-party.



Not neccesarily true. Of the three candidates that have run in the last 12 months, 2 were listed as "CST", because I personally lobbied the secretary of state and County offices to list them as such. The other, John Watts from your district, was listed as "Other". Keep in mind that the CP is 12 years old,and only 6 months old in LA. The LP is 35 years old and I expect at least 10 years old in LA.
To put this in perspective, consider who the LP's former Vice-chairman (before you, Brent) was: Jeffrey Diket. Mr. Diket recently joined our party because he saw it as more electorally viable.




The LP Central Committee members hardly ran the show here in Louisiana. The State coordinator, Andrew Axsom, is a member of the CP. Chris Hand, the District 6 organizer, is a supporter and is backing Baldwin. Only you and Mr. Monteleone,that I can see, are LPers. I led the 275 member "LSU for Ron Paul" student group,which was larger than ANY meetup group in LA--and im a member of the CP also.
Brent--im willing to debate which party is stronger on the issues, but dont obfuscate. The LP is obviously stronger,there is no need to make things up.
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I'm' not making things up, your scope of information is limited. See:
Helen and Trey Brantley(monroe meetup), Stephanie Marrero(lake charles meetup), Myself(alex), Ray Clipper(northside no), and Monteleone(lafayette) were the committee people running these meet-ups. You guys may have had baton rouge, but judging by the lunacy of the coordination group 1210, if that is CP. It isn't something to be proud of...

We are glad you have Dicket, if you haven't met him yet, you have no idea what i'm talking about. We couldn't wait for the day he left... he fits better with the CP, trust me.
So if Dicket is your shining badge of honor, you are in deep shit.

I have respect for Watts and Hand.
 
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And the Constitution Party has a reputation of being the "God Party".


Shotdown1027 said:
The fact is this: The Constitution Party is a third-party people might concievably vote for. The Libertarian Party is known for running transvestite candidates in rural-conservative Kansas, or fielding Blue-skinned Colloidial-silver drinkers for Senate in Idaho, or even Chief Wanna Dubie for Governor of Missouri!

After 35 years, the LP has a reputation of just being the "pot smokers party" with the general populace.
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Actually, I'm thinking if we dumped Dicket on you, maybe you guys would take Mike Wolf too? He'd make a fine party Sec. for you. He didn't bother showing up at the LP convention either (thus wasn't re-elected for the 30th time).
Was that because he thought the CP was superior or the fact that, like Dicket, he knew he was no longer welcomed?

Dicket will be a plague. trust, dealt with him for 12 years.

The state LP party is much older than 10 years.... I've been in it longer than that... and there were old timers that had been there 10 years prior to me.
We must have been an active party for at least over 20 years.

Another interesting note: I was the first Republican ever elected to the LALP central committee.

If you guys got recognition, you aren't on the voter registration cards. I was just there the other day picking up voter list i had on order.
 
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The CP could very well gain ballot status in 40 states. In 2004 it placed its national ticket on the ballot in 36 states and had write-in status in 7 others. With all the attention (and money) the Ron Paul Revolution has recieved this year it is not inconceivable to gain ballot status in 40 states. With help from MeetUp groups the totals could be 45 states and DC. Deadlines are rapidly approaching in TX and other states.
 
libertythor said:
The Libertarian Party has the best shot at being on all 50 state ballots.

In 2000 the LP candidate was on all 50 state ballots. In 2004, Michael Badnarik was on 49. Oklahoma was the only state missing.
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The LP won't be on the ballot in all 50 states and DC. They will certainly miss OK again and there is always the chance a state affiliate will not list the convention nominee like AZ did in 2000. The last time the convention nominee was on the ballot in all 50 states was 1996. The best shot... yes. Will they do it..no. BTW, Badnarik was NOT on the ballot in NH. He was listed on the ballot in 48 states.
 
Shotdown1027 said:
Bradley,

Im a delegate to the CPNC from Louisiana, and i'v got some info on this subject.

By all reasonable estimates, the CP will be on in 40 states. New York, Illinois, Arizona, Texas, and North Carolina being the obvious states we WONT be on.
California will not put Keyes on the ballot, it has become PAINFULLY obvious that Baldwin has overwhelming support amongst the AIP-CA.

However, we COULD be on the ballot in all 50 states if people rallied behind Chuck Baldwin.

I'll also say this: Its doubtful that the LP will be on 50 or 49 states this year. The big what-to-do over the platform and anarchist-minarchist debate is boiling to the top. Texas has threatened to give their ballot access to someone else if the Radicals win the platform/candidate fight. No one is contesting that the LP has better ballot-access,because they've been around 24 years longer than the CP. But the CP doesnt have as much baggage, it has a more appropriate (and less harmful) name, and it has the right candidate: Chuck Baldwin.

www.chuckbaldwinforum.com
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As chair of the LPWV, I feel pretty comfortable saying that the LP is going to most likely have 40-44 states as well. We just scored NC access, which is a real pain in the neck. It's possible we'll be on even more, but there are at least 4 or 5 states where it definitly isn't happening.

The CP folks here in WV have been working on ballot access, and I've helped them out a bit where possible. (All us third party folks have to work together on this junk...)
 
Shotdown1027 said:
The fact is this: The Constitution Party is a third-party people might concievably vote for. The Libertarian Party is known for running transvestite candidates in rural-conservative Kansas, or fielding Blue-skinned Colloidial-silver drinkers for Senate in Idaho, or even Chief Wanna Dubie for Governor of Missouri!

After 35 years, the LP has a reputation of just being the "pot smokers party" with the general populace.
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I'd say the exact opposite is true. The CP has a reputation as being a bunch of theocrats, while the LP is about pure freedom. Are there some whacky LP candidates who run for office? Sure, but then again, you guys have got Alan Keyes. :p
 
We did not reject Keyes because he is wacky. We rejected Keyes because he did not agree with our platform. Other than that he was a very eloquent speaker. He is obviously educated, but he just could not be reconciled with our platform.

That just proves you can be very educated and very wrong at the same time.

Chuck Baldwin is a true believer in our platform. He is our ideal candidate and a true patriot.

Peace
 
We are glad you have Dicket, if you haven't met him yet, you have no idea what i'm talking about. We couldn't wait for the day he left... he fits better with the CP, trust me.
So if Dicket is your shining badge of honor, you are in deep shit.

I have respect for Watts and Hand.
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Diket is in the hospital, likely dieing--so no,he isnt out "badge of honor", but I thought it was oh interest.

As for Watts and Hand--im glad you respect them. Axsom should garner your respect too, he's about to defeat REAL ID (hopefully) here in LA.

Hostility aside--I wish you guys success, and I hope you do the same for us. The CP in Louisiana is very "Ron Paulian" and much more libertarian-leaning than the rest of the party.
 
Shotdown1027 said:
Diket is in the hospital, likely dieing--so no,he isnt out "badge of honor", but I thought it was oh interest.

As for Watts and Hand--im glad you respect them. Axsom should garner your respect too, he's about to defeat REAL ID (hopefully) here in LA.

Hostility aside--I wish you guys success, and I hope you do the same for us. The CP in Louisiana is very "Ron Paulian" and much more libertarian-leaning than the rest of the party.
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Axsom was briefly my campaign manager until it was obvious we weren't going to raise much.... so he is truly libertarian at heart. And for that, I love him. May he never sell out to altruism. respect for asxom too. i didn't mean to leave him out the first time.
 
Dicket being in the hospital doesn't change the fact he was an annoying nut case. sorry.
YOu know, you can't tell someone, you can't be a libertarian. Even if they are a flat out communist or facist... they can still register, attend and be elected in your party.

Sad to hear a fellow human is suffering, I hope his pain is not harsh. I don't wish pain on the man, just no association.
 
I get that,trust me.

As for myself, i havent interacted with him much. But I fail to see how an ancient blind man could be too much trouble--I suppose i'll find out,if he gets out of the hospital.

As for your bid for Congress--I'v contacted all my family up there,and you have their votes.
 
Shotdown1027 said:
The fact is this: The Constitution Party is a third-party people might concievably vote for. The Libertarian Party is known for running transvestite candidates in rural-conservative Kansas, or fielding Blue-skinned Colloidial-silver drinkers for Senate in Idaho, or even Chief Wanna Dubie for Governor of Missouri!

After 35 years, the LP has a reputation of just being the "pot smokers party" with the general populace.
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Shotdown that is not fair. Badnarik was a good guy and i have been on conferences with him before.

Lets not pull the movement apart. Lets figure out how to make us all stronger to take out the real bad guys.

I think for either side we need to go through a process and let both campaigns see what they can do.

They both have good qualities, and as was mentioned the LP has some major internal battles going on right now. This type of stuff really hurt the cp many years ago. We need to make sure the LP doesnt do the same and split up its ballot access and support in to franction groups and have to rebuild.

The timeing would be horrible if that happened.
 
you are correct

libertythor said:
And the Constitution Party has a reputation of being the "God Party".
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i think you are correct on this...but baldwin seems to be a good bridge between these areas and ron paul's areas enough that he reaches and is liked by huckabee people as well.

We really need to join up the ron paul and huckabee voters to have a chance at this...LP/CP just wont be enough.

Remember the debate commisions rules are not 4-7% they are 15% or above in the national polls.

We need to get into the 20's to be safe. That just isnt going to happen if we cant pick up the major voter blocks willingly like the disenfranchized huckabee voters
 
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not judgeing the candidate

Bradley in DC said:
Shotdown is just beginning to learn how to play well with others. ;)

FWIW, I considered Badnarik a joke candidacy and cruel to him personally for the LP to nominate him. That said, I voted for Paul in 1988 and Harry Browne both times.
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Not judgeing the candidate...he just didnt come across as bizarre from anyone i knew. He had stylistic things people didnt all key into. But he could talk anywhere and approach any group.

I remember there was a cornell 3rd party meeting where the speaker recommend the LP/CP possibly getting together and the greens/communist party.

Not sure on the 2nd merge but the point was obvious that an educated audience saw Badnarik as a respectable person. Not as a kook, or someone that groups would be driven from because of bad baggage.

Of course that 88 run after everyone was so mad with Bush Sr gave paul a lot of visibility and support. It is sad that Browne died...
 
Bradley...ok..no need for the bold letters on the other posts

Bradley in DC said:
Shotdown is just beginning to learn how to play well with others. ;)

FWIW, I considered Badnarik a joke candidacy and cruel to him personally for the LP to nominate him. That said, I voted for Paul in 1988 and Harry Browne both times.
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Bradley but lets all agree to not do the bold letter, personal attack things...it does dr paul and the movement the worst of disservice on a public chat to have this stuff quotable at any time.

Not to mention if either Barr or Baldwin get traction then this could be used against them as those crazy paul people are doing this again...
 
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