Constitution Party failing ballot access

[NewFederalist]

I went to both the CP and LP websites. It appears that the LP is on 31 ballots and the CP is on 23 ballots. Both are still collecting signatures. I wonder if the major parties have to go through this process..and if not..why not? tones

They do not. They automatically qualify by virtue of vote totals from the previous election. The LP and CP or any other party (not independent candidate) can also qualify for a ballot position for the next election IF they poll enough votes. Each state is different as to what percentage must be polled and in some states only votes for president or governor are considered for continuing ballot access. In many cases it is not that high a percentage like 5% or so, but that is not as easy as it seems especially if only the top of the ticket office is the qualifying race.

 

[Knightskye]

I wasn't accusing you at all. But to be fair, I have seen a lot of bashing going both ways.

There were a lot of anti-Barr threads when he first got the nomination, and even some before that. It may have gone from defensive to starting fights, but still.

Doesn't it kind of stick in your throat that Dondero supports Barr?

I don't see how that matters. I really don't. And you're not the only person who uses that when talking about Barr. What does it mean?

 

[OceanMachine7]

There were a lot of anti-Barr threads when he first got the nomination, and even some before that. It may have gone from defensive to starting fights, but still.



I don't see how that matters. I really don't. And you're not the only person who uses that when talking about Barr. What does it mean?

If it didn't stick anyone's throat that white nationalists supported Paul, than it shouldn't stick in anyone's throat that this Dondero guy supports Barr.

 

[VaderM5]

I find it PATHETIC that Ron Paul supporters would vote for left wing NADER ...as a GRUDGE rather than jump on board with Bob Barr who is spreading the Ron Paul Liberty message. SHAME! Tones (that is pure hatefulness and EGO..let GO of you egos!)

If Bob Barr wasn't running or the LP chose some lackluster candidate I'd probably vote for Nader.

(No Baldwin in Tx)

 

[kombayn]

I find it PATHETIC that Ron Paul supporters would vote for left wing NADER ...as a GRUDGE rather than jump on board with Bob Barr who is spreading the Ron Paul Liberty message. SHAME! Tones (that is pure hatefulness and EGO..let GO of you egos!)

[Shakes head.] You're not productive at all, tones. First off all Ralph Nader is pro-constitution, Nader's main issue is being against the Iraq War (and for immediate withdrawal), the New FISA bill and Corporate Welfare. 3 key issues from Ron Paul's platform, I don't agree with everything Nader says but I can take it at face value.

Bob Barr I can't take at face value, while he spreads the Liberty message, he always puts out Press Releases praising a known-racist, he says the Gov should do at least something about Mae/Mac, and his voting record doesn't give him a free pass. I think Barr is very articulate and everything I watch him, I start leaning towards him more.

But right now I'm voting Nader and for you to say stupid things and make harrassing comments doesn't help the Barr Liberty movement, makes it come off childish.

 

[constituent]

I'm probably going to end up not voting this year, sadly.

b/c the pres. election isn't panning out the way you want?

f* the presidential dog and pony show.

the only offices that count:

sherriff

district attorney

county and city prosecutor

tax assessor

J.P., etc.

If you don't vote for these offices (or vote out of ignorance... i.e. eanie, meanie, minie, mo), and/or don't even know who is running for these offices in your community and what their stances are, you're part of the problem.

no sense in sugar-coating anymore, i'm worn out.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't see how that matters. I really don't. And you're not the only person who uses that when talking about Barr. What does it mean?

Only that Dondero is a big government advocate. He "says" he is a Libertarian, but I don't see how. He supported Giuliani when he was in the race.

I don't see Barr as pro-big government, so I don't understand why Dondero is backing him.

 

[Knightskye]

[Shakes head.] You're not productive at all, tones. First off all Ralph Nader is pro-constitution

BZZT!
http://www.votenader.org/issues/

*Universal health care
*Government investing in renewable energy
*Carbon tax
*Wall Street "speculation tax"
*"National Initiative for Democracy"

Ron Paul doesn't agree with any of that. And those things aren't allowed by the Constitution. Bob Barr is pro-Constitution.

Bob Barr I can't take at face value, while he spreads the Liberty message, he always puts out Press Releases praising a known-racist

Who?

he says the Gov should do at least something about Mae/Mac

What are you in favor of doing? Shutting them down overnight? Let's sell that idea.

and his voting record doesn't give him a free pass.

Of course not, and that's why some people on this board have been scrutinizing it. And he has taken a hard look at his philosophy and changed it, as many of us have after learning about Ron Paul during this presidential election.

I think Barr is very articulate and everything I watch him, I start leaning towards him more.

I hope you'll lean further.

Only that Dondero is a big government advocate. He "says" he is a Libertarian, but I don't see how. He supported Giuliani when he was in the race.

It seems like you use Dondero as a fortune-teller, or something. "Oh, he's supporting Barr, that must mean something!" I just find that ridiculous.

 

[kombayn]

Bob Barr mourns Jesse Helms:
http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...or-the-life-and-work-of-jesse-helms/#more-577

Richard Viguerie joins in on the statement:
http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...nding-the-life-of-racist-us-senator/#more-579

The Constitution doesn't state that you can't have those things (Universal Health-Care [personally I support it if done as a voucher system with an opt-out clause if people want their own care], I don't agree with the carbon tax or Wall Street tax and I personally in the middle on NI4D), if Government passes it, it's allowed as long as it doesn't violate the Bill of Rights. Ralph Nader is a progressive but when it comes to the Bill of Rights, he doesn't violate that. I know Ralph Nader isn't perfect, I know that by a long shot but he's better than the top two choices we have. I just had a problem with tones making that statement because it's directed at me a Ron Paul Supporter who is currently supporting Ralph Nader, I took offense.

 

[angelatc]

I find it PATHETIC that Ron Paul supporters would vote for left wing NADER ...as a GRUDGE rather than jump on board with Bob Barr who is spreading the Ron Paul Liberty message. SHAME! Tones (that is pure hatefulness and EGO..let GO of you egos!)

I used to feel that way, but I think that Ralph Nader agrees with Ron Paul on a lot of issues. They disagree on solutions, but I truly believe that Nader would work to remove corporate influence from government, and I can go for that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The Constitution doesn't state that you can't have those things (Universal Health-Care [personally I support it if done as a voucher system with an opt-out clause if people want their own care], I don't agree with the carbon tax or Wall Street tax and I personally in the middle on NI4D), if Government passes it, it's allowed as long as it doesn't violate the Bill of Rights. Ralph Nader is a progressive but when it comes to the Bill of Rights, he doesn't violate that. I know Ralph Nader isn't perfect, I know that by a long shot but he's better than the top two choices we have. I just had a problem with tones making that statement because it's directed at me a Ron Paul Supporter who is currently supporting Ralph Nader, I took offense.

You're misunderstanding the Constitution. It specifies what the federal government is allowed to be involved in. They're referred to as the enumerated powers. By the way, socialized medicine is not one of them.

This is a very good book on the Constitution, if you're interested. Dr. Paul said he refers to it often.

The Making of America: The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Americ...=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216359861&sr=8-4

 

[Knightskye]

Bob Barr mourns Jesse Helms:
http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...or-the-life-and-work-of-jesse-helms/#more-577

Richard Viguerie joins in on the statement:
http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...nding-the-life-of-racist-us-senator/#more-579

I'm sure he meant his voting record.

finest, most courageous and deeply principled men to ever serve in the United States Congress.

You can be whatever you want (in Helms' case, a racist), but in the Capitol Building, you're supposed to follow the Constitution. So that's what I think Barr meant by principled.

Mr. Helms is not running for President, by the way.

The Constitution doesn't state that you can't have those things

Wrong.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Therefore, universal health care is up to the states. I believe I saw a video of Howard Dean saying that they had some type of universal health care system in Vermont.

[personally I support it if done as a voucher system with an opt-out clause if people want their own care], I don't agree with the carbon tax or Wall Street tax and I personally in the middle on NI4D