Conspiracy

[futureleft]

Anybody else tired of conspiracy? I mean...is it really worth talking about Rothschilds and Rockefellers as some pacifying notion that you know, people want to control others. I want to control others...I want no government and the right to freely associate. It seems counterproductive to "expose" others who have the same driving force that I have.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

I get VERY tired of it on THIS forum. There are places other than this for that. I would hope this board would be a gathering place for people who don't want to talk about secret societies, etc, to discuss politics and issues. The fringe stuff gives us a bad name and hurts our growth but some folks don't seem to care.

 

[BuddyRey]

Yes, I'm definitely tired of the conspiracy to enslave us all. I wish it would go away!

Thanks for asking!

 

[pcosmar]

You can not have an honest discussion about politics while ignoring the key players.
It is the other influences that drive and direct policy that are not advertised by the media witch is also owned by those same influences.
There have always been conspiracies, in every government from the dawn of time.
You wish to ignore reality.

 

[futureleft]

I have a neighbor...his name is Eric. He thinks a lack of regulation caused the economic crisis. Maybe the banks need to be nationalized? He also thinks we need to have national healthcare. Oh, and the UN is the answer to all our problems. He enjoys MSNBC.

We could start a movement against him...I have his address.

 

[He Who Pawns]

Shouldn't there be a "Conspiracy" forum here?

 

[pcosmar]

Gulf of Tonkin
Conspiracy??
Theory or fact.

 

[pcosmar]

COINTERPRO
Conspiracy??

Theory?

Or proof that our government can not be trusted.

 

[pcosmar]

I get VERY tired of it on THIS forum. There are places other than this for that. I would hope this board would be a gathering place for people who don't want to talk about secret societies, etc, to discuss politics and issues. The fringe stuff gives us a bad name and hurts our growth but some folks don't seem to care.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=51014

What is Liberty Forest?
Bryan and I have discussed the continuation of this community after the election regardless of outcome.

It is named Liberty Forest, (LibertyForest.com). Named after the Liberty Tree, a famous elm tree that stood near the commons of Boston, Massachusetts Colony, in the days before the American Revolution. The tree was a rallying point for the growing resistance to the rule of England over the American colonies. In the years that followed, almost every American town had its own Liberty Tree—a living symbol of popular support for individual liberty and resistance to tyranny. We are the Liberty Forest so to speak, as the internet is one large meeting place.

We have started adding forums at the bottom of the main page. (Link) We plan on making it a portal for liberty and a continuation of this freedom loving community. RedState, Politico, Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin, Real Clear Politics, etc.. are going to be dieing slow deaths with this internet movement and we plan on providing a place for their awakened visitors to go.

Let us know if you have anything in mind.

__________________

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Gulf of Tonkin
Conspiracy??
Theory or fact.

- The mask you're wearing in your profile pic creeps me out. Just so ya know.


No, there are conspiracies. Happens all the time. Courts prosecute such and documents come out which validate suspicions. That's fine. But this "NWO" thing is blown way out of proportion. I'm sorry, it is. There isn't this secret cabal in a dark room plotting this, that, and the other. And every person pushing an international agenda is not secretly trying to set up some order. Alot of people simply believe in internationalism. Doesn't mean they are getting daily text messages on what step to take next from David Rockefeller.

 

[pcosmar]

- The mask you're wearing in your profile pic creeps me out. Just so ya know.


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No mask.just paint.
Always did something for Fantasy Fest.

The NWO has been spoken of by many of the Movers and Shakers. Those same folks are in Key places and are in the same groups and organizations. They have published their plans.
Not really hard to see it, just hard to stop it. I don't even think we can, but maybe we can slow it.
I will resist it.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

The NWO has been spoken of by many of the Movers and Shakers. Those same folks are in Key places and are in the same groups and organizations. They have published their plans.
Not really hard to see it, just hard to stop it. I don't even think we can, but maybe we can slow it.
I will resist it.

- I'm well aware. My point is that EVERYBODY is not part of it. Some here have now crossed Sanford out simply b/c he attended the conference once.

Also, the world is getting smaller and smaller with population increasing and technology increasing. So, there is a natural push towards globalization regardless if some "plan" exist or not. There are some who would like a global police state but most people pushing for a more global society don't want what some here are terrified of. Most think that we must globablize in order to stablize the world. I personally don't want anything that will cost us precious sovereignty. Hence, my being against it. So, again, the gravitation toward internationalism would be happening regardless of what a few crooked elitests are wanting.

 

[pcosmar]

Well if you start looking into it, there are Groups of people actively working to that end. It does not take much more than a little research to find the same folks show up a lot in various circles.
All with the same end goal.

 

[futureleft]

On one hand it makes me angry that people get attacked as "conspiracy theorists"...we have all seen the politico article that has spread to AOL, CBSnews, etc...why doesn't Kenneth Vogel just write an article about these connections, which should be of interest to anybody who follows politics? And I guess he wouldn't without so-called conspiracy theorists making a big noise about it and that should be some kind of boon for the broader knowledge base concerning international politics.

But on the other hand, the story is the conspiracy because that is what the noisemakers want it to be. Ron nails it in the article...it's not Bilderberg that matters, it is their horrible ideas that get implemented. It's an intellectual battle. Why legitimize these characters?

 

[Rael]

There's a kernel of truth here and there, but most of the conspiracy stuff is crap. Nothing more than entertainment at best and a distraction at worst. The only upside is that alot of people who are not libertarians are gullible, and apt to believe in conspiracies, so maybe some of these conspiracies whether true or not will draw more people in to the movement.

 

[constituent]

Nothing more than entertainment at best and a distraction at worst.

What is "entertainment" but a "distraction?"

 

[LibertyEagle]

There's a kernel of truth here and there, but most of the conspiracy stuff is crap. Nothing more than entertainment at best and a distraction at worst. The only upside is that alot of people who are not libertarians are gullible, and apt to believe in conspiracies, so maybe some of these conspiracies whether true or not will draw more people in to the movement.

The movement was here before you were even born. It is the libertarians who joined; not the other way around.

 

[ClayTrainor]

I have very little respect for the intellect of those who drop the word "conspiracy" thinking it describes some sort of radical or delusional way of thinking. I further can't stand those who try to connect anything to do with NWO to "Alien conspiracies" in order to make their opposition look like a kook. It's an anti-intellectual form of debate and discussion.

If you read your history you will realize that you are a dam fool to ignore the banks, and their thirst for global dominance. At this point in my life, after countless debates against 'debunkers', 'truthers', and just average folks, i have determined that "NWO" is a real agenda, and you have either been manipulated or deceived if you think it's "kooky". I'm sorry, but the CFR is definitely full of "Conspirators" who very clearly have the destruction of the US constitution on their agenda.

Yes, some of the 911 theories are full-blown stupid and yes there are some stupid theories in other topics that completely defy logic. These theories are not limited to "conspiracies" but conspiracies are often shrouded in secrecy, which is the source of some of these radical claims. This doesn't mean that they are completely false simply because some radical claims came out of the speculation.


Alex Jones is a bit crazy, imo and he jumps to some pretty stupid conclusions from time to time but, most 'debunkers' or anti-conspiracy people, tend to be equally anti-intellectual when it comes to debate.

 

[Feenix566]

Anybody else tired of conspiracy? I mean...is it really worth talking about Rothschilds and Rockefellers as some pacifying notion that you know, people want to control others. I want to control others...I want no government and the right to freely associate. It seems counterproductive to "expose" others who have the same driving force that I have.

For what it's worth, I agree with you. Unfortunately there are a few very vocal people here whose minds are made up on the issue and will never see it as anything other than a conspiracy.

 

[apropos]

Yes, the conspiracy stuff here gets very tedious. I guess the problem is that, when bringing up the secret society new world order stuff, to your average American it sounds very comparable to the genuine schizoid who thinks his invisible, omnipotent enemies are out to get him. How many things said here match that exact pattern?

Powerful opposition. Totally unknown to the public at large. Out to get you. A massive cover up by complicit media and government officials. I couldn't write a better conspiracy movie if I tried.

This sort of presentation will never fly with your average voters - the people we need to accomplish the ultimate goals of restoring Constitutional order to the country. How does talking about a chem trail accomplish this goal? When dealing with an esoteric subject like the Federal Reserve, you have to establish Fact A before you can begin Argument A, and then prove Argument A, B, and C before arguing for Argument D.

We just talk about Argument D and can't understand it when people don't believe us or don't care. Then we damn them as socialist or statist for calling us conspiracy nuts. This strategy isn't working.