Conspiracy theorists - Do they hurt the Liberty movement?

[cbrons]

Simple question: Do "conspiracy theorists" hurt our cause?

Do things like 9/11 Truth annoy you as a liberty activist because you think it turns away people from the core message of private property, non-interventionism, respect for individual civil liberties, and free market capitalism?

As a "Truther" yourself, do you have a problem with people who suggest that you are hurting the movement?

Do you have an opinion either way?

Edit: Started this thread as a way to get a topics and people to interview for my radio show but it turned into a regular discussion

 

[Indy Vidual]

...good people at the Daily Paul...

Hi Chris, this is RPF's not DP.
Edit: What is a "truther", do you have a definition in mind?
I'm not thinking I want to ever be one of those....

Simple question: Do "conspiracy theorists" hurt our cause?...

Some do, some don't.
Are you sure it's a simple question?

• (For example) Iran/Contra is a real scandal not a "conspiracy theory", but...
• Was Ollie North truly acting alone, or taking orders from much higher up?
• The powerful VP, Elder Bush (who was also probably a CIA agent on duty in Dallas the day JFK was shot), "certainly was" the one running the show, right?

The above is just one simple example:
Exactly where do you want to say the "conspiracy theory" starts to damage our cause?

 

[Tpoints]

Yes, they do, we already have a thread specifically titled "Conspiracy theorists hurt the liberty movement", if it were not the case, it'd be flagged, retitled, removed.

 

[belian78]

Why are you trying to stir up shit with this post? That's a better question.

 

[KCIndy]

Why are you trying to stir up shit with this post? That's a better question.

Shhh!! Don't ask!

It's a conspiracy!

 

[cbrons]

Indy - Sorry, I now post at only 2 places, here and the DP. The DP got the same request.

Exactly where do you want to say the "conspiracy theory" starts to damage our cause?

I don't want to say where or if they do. I want opinions and people willing to contribute. It's been tossed around on these boards, other places, and even in the higher reaches of the Paul campaign. I'm being purposefully ambiguous because I want to be open to all opinions and formulate a show based on diversity of opinion on the "issue."

 

[belian78]

No, you want to continue to stir up dust when the boards are already in a tenuous time.

 

[cbrons]

Shhh!! Don't ask!

It's a conspiracy!

+Rep.

Why are you trying to stir up shit with this post? That's a better question.

Isn't that what media is about? I run a small liberty-oriented talk show. It's a shameless ploy for ratings by exploiting a controversial subject that has been brought up a lot lately.

Also, in a weird way, I'd like us to be more unified. I think the people who are labelled as "conspiracy theorists" are seen as "embaressing" and the people who criticize them (Jack Hunter, Jesse Benton) are seen as establisment hacks who left the movement to stump for the Republican party.

I believe its because of this that the so-called "conspiracy theorists" keep the other group honest, and the other group keeps the "conspiracy theorists" from going too far off the deep end.

A dialogue from both, loosely defined groups can help ease some tension perhaps?

Hope that made sense and wasn't too offensive?

 

[itshappening]

cbrons = COINTELPRO

 

[Indy Vidual]

Why are you trying to stir up shit with this post? That's a better question.

No, that's the other thread(s), Chris wants content for his radio show.

Shhh!! Don't ask!

It's a conspiracy!

<It's a conspiracy>

His sleeper account here was activated when funding was approved for his "Libertarian" radio show.
If Alex Jones has him on, then you know he is part of the alternative elite.
If David Icke links to his site, check his pupils to see if he's really human...

</It's a conspiracy>

 

[cbrons]

........ oh well it was worth a shot. Thank you all.

 

[Indy Vidual]

If all Libertarians gave up that fast the LP would not still be active in all 50 states.

 

[Anti Federalist]

........ oh well it was worth a shot. Thank you all.

LOL - I understand you are looking for content, but sheesh, drop a grenade like that, and what do you expect?

I am an "on the record" 9/11 "Truther".

I am an unashamed "conspiracy theorist".

Objective evidence has proved that is the only logical position you can take when dealing with this government.

If they said the sky was blue and the sun rose in the east, I'd argue with them.

Yes, I get very angry when I am told by "establishment" types to STFU and GTFO.

Not nearly as much as I used to, though.

Being right all the time is remarkably calming.

 

[cbrons]

If all Libertarians gave up that fast the LP would not still be active in all 50 states.

Is that an veiled offer to participate?

 

[Indy Vidual]

Is that an veiled offer to participate?

Thanks, I already did.

 

[QuickZ06]

No, I do not believe "conspiracy theorists" hurt the liberty movement. Talk to an everyday citizen about the FED, TSA, ending the drug war ect. ect. and I would bet most would think you are a "conspiracy theorists". The overlords want everything to sound like a conspiracy. The only thing I have come to know any time I research anything is how little I know and how much I will never get to know.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

"Some of our political allies charge that the powerful elite who run things and are found repeatedly in the Fed, the Treasury, and the Presidency plan and purposely cause certain events like 9-11 and our current financial crisis. I don't believe that. But I do believe that many members of the elite make the best they can out of certain events because they facilitate their efforts to achieve their goals. Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, said recently: "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Obama concurred with Emanuel's assessment.
Many of the laws passed after 9-11 had already been proposed prior to the event, but rejected. Economic planners have many plans to socialize our economy and globalize the effort- if only the people will accept it. And why? Socialization always and everywhere means more power to the state, more control to bureaucrats, more security to the elites, and always at to the expense of the rest of us. Economic chaos assists in this effort.
But to purposely bring on catastrophic events such as the current situation would be a bad move for anyone, because this level of calamity can pose danger even to the insiders. Wealth loss by deflation and inflation can affect everyone. Political chaos is not always beneficial to those in charge and may in fact be a danger to them.
In any case, I believe that concentrating too much on the Fed "conspiracy," one that supposedly works hand in hand with Congress, gives the system more credit or blame than it deserves and distracts from the more important issue of bad ideology. Authoritarianism, supporting statism on moral grounds for whatever reason, is the real threat." - Excerpts from Chapter 8 of "End the Fed"

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I don't have many conspiracy theories. I have lots of conspiracy facts and strong conspiracy suspicions though.

 

[QuickZ06]

I don't have many conspiracy theories. I have lots of conspiracy facts and strong conspiracy suspicions though.

And this.

 

[dillo]

I think its more damaging that a large percentage of the population are borderline retarded