Congressman Walter Jones Exposes Massive 9/11 Conspiracy [who financed hijackers?]

[ClydeCoulter]

That's what I thought.

So there's no difference between one of these frames of a video that shoots one frame per second and a photograph from a camera that took one picture per second.

Yes, there is. A camera that someone clicks to take pictures at any rate is not a video, because it has no known sequencing. That's the difference. Now, if you take a frame of video out of context, without any consideration of the surrounding frames, then it is useless as a video frame since it has no "reference" and is no more useful than a photo.

Many digital cameras today can take a video, ie, a timed sequence of photos that constitutes a video.

A surrounding context gives a frame of video a different role than a simple photo.

 

[erowe1]

Yes, there is. A camera that someone clicks to take pictures at any rate is not a video, because it has no known sequencing. That's the difference. Now, if you take a frame of video out of context, without any consideration of the surrounding frames, then it is useless as a video frame since it has no "reference" and is no more useful than a photo.

Many digital cameras today can take a video, ie, a timed sequence of photos that constitutes a video.

A surrounding context gives a frame of video a different role than a simple photo.

Fair enough.

To me the big point isn't the calling of it a video. It's just recognizing the slow rate of only one frame per second. I see no reason to insist that a plane should have to appear in any of the frames at all given how briefly it would have appeared in the field of view. Nor do I know what would show up in a picture from something moving across it at the speed that Flight 77 would have even if it were in the field of view at the moment the picture was taken. The video Coastie linked doesn't get into these questions at all.

 

[osan]

I want to know what REALLY happened to Building 7.

You already know what happened. What you want is for Themme to admit it.

You're not alone.

 

[jmdrake]

We know what happened on 9/11.

Really? Cause some of us want to know what happened to WTC 7.

Jones is simply trying to find out who gave the mostly saudi nationals money. I'd like to know that too, but suspect it's not possible to get that answer without getting accidented or suicided to protect the saudi royals and/or government.

His questions are reasonable and he's not a truther or nutter in any way.

The Saudi money got funneled through the Pakistani ISI. And the fact that this was covered up is one of the biggest questions that blows the whole door open on 9/11. Why was Osama Bin Laden allowed to escape into Pakistan? Why did we halt the invasion of Afghanistan to allow the Pakistanis to get their own soldiers out? Republican Dana Rohrabacker knows the aid we send to Pakistan gets funneled to Al Qaeda.



And that's just a continuation of what we did going all the way back to the Soviet war in Afghanistan. It's not just Saudi money that goes to Al Qaeda. It's not just Pakistani money that goes to Al Qaeda. It's American money that goes to Al Qaeda.

 

[PRB]

Really? Cause some of us want to know what happened to WTC 7.






The Saudi money got funneled through the Pakistani ISI. And the fact that this was covered up is one of the biggest questions that blows the whole door open on 9/11. Why was Osama Bin Laden allowed to escape into Pakistan? Why did we halt the invasion of Afghanistan to allow the Pakistanis to get their own soldiers out? Republican Dana Rohrabacker knows the aid we send to Pakistan gets funneled to Al Qaeda.





And that's just a continuation of what we did going all the way back to the Soviet war in Afghanistan. It's not just Saudi money that goes to Al Qaeda. It's not just Pakistani money that goes to Al Qaeda. It's American money that goes to Al Qaeda.

Somebody in America funded the hijackers and then blew up WTC 7.

 

[Carson]

The rubes think that's perfectly plausible. They also see nothing out of the ordinary about a building not hit by a plane committing suicide over the loss of it's siblings.

Back, in I think the sixties, someone tried to convince me that the new Federal Court building was built with explosives in it that were suppose to be able to bring it down. There was suppose to also be a parking garage built the same way. The theory was that they were being proactive to the time when it would need to be torn down.

I never did buy it. It would be to risky, I'm thinking.

I do remember looking at the steal beams in the parking garage. The only thing I could see a little odd was a lump under the paint that looked like a ground wire running up the beam. Like if a ground wire was attached to the beam and painted over. Maybe that is what it was.

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

To investigate the 1963 coup-de-tat, Jim Garrison followed the trail of the assassins.

After the 9/11 attacks, while the entire "truther" movement watched freefall videos and speculated about termites in the WTC, only investigator Dan Hopsicker went to the scene of the crime: Venice, Florida--where the hijackers lived immediately prior to the attacks for over one year.

Hopsicker also attended the 9/11 Commission Hearings and was sitting in the audience when they flashed a receipt for a $70,000 money order on the screen. Hopsicker noticed the address was for 201 Nokomis Ave., Venice, FL. which was a Qwickie Mart that mysteriously closed down shortly after 9/11. Hopsicker found that the Qwickie Mart was owned by Makram Chams--a former Saudi contractor for San Diego based MIC outfit Titan Corporation.

Spoonerian posts on DU:

My favorite Makram Chams story is the one that Hopsicker attibutes to the psychiatrist who worked at the Venice Hospital a few blocks south of Chams' "Kwickie Mart"--which apparently performed the same function for the Venice Airport Mafia that Satriale's Meat Market provided Tony Soprano and his crew.

http://www.madcowprod.com/05172006.html

“Nokomis Ave runs right behind the hospital in Venice,” stated the psychiatrist. "Each day as I left the hospital for the office I'd head north on Nokomis. At the corner of Nokomis and Miami there was this little (Kwik-Chek) convenience store run by middle-eastern types.”

“Half the time I'd be late for the office and I'd stop in there and grab something awful for lunch. A woman and a large man were usually behind the counter. Some days I'd go in there and no one would be behind the counter but there would be loud talking in the back.”

“A few times I saw Atta in there, hanging around. Once I made eye contact with him—dead on! Emphasis on "dead" because when we locked eyes a chill went through me and I thought: "He's got 'dead' eyes."

“When you become a shrink you sometimes get attuned to what might be going on with a person just from seeing how they look—their faces and eyes—on the street or in public. The chill I got when I saw Atta was not the chill of fear. It was a chill about how sick he looked. He looked to be one of the most depressed persons I'd ever laid eyes on.”

“He looked so depressed that it was as if he was already gone. In retrospect I feel he may have been just as happy to die for the sake of ending it all as he was to die for Allah.”

“A couple of weeks after 9/11 the convenience store closed up,” stated the psychiatrist, who has since moved out of state. “I was down there last summer visiting the old psych unit crew, nurses and staff, at a yearly reunion at Sharkey's, and the store was still closed up. I found a reference to the store on the TERRORLAND website, and it got me thinking.”

“I wish I'd paid more attention back then… but who knew?”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x127242

With only 1 co-sponsor it doesn't look like Walter Jones is going to get the chance to subpoena Hopsicker's investigative research at Congressional hearings.

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Ok, back to your regularly scheduled arguments about termites in the WTC...

 

[vita3]

H.R. 428

Who has called their Congressman/women?

 

[Neil Desmond]

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled arguments about termites in the WTC...

Termites? Oh, so all along it was just a typo?

 

[jbauer]

I am still perplexed as to what Iraq had to do with what went down on 9/11 yet, we still occupy that land nearly 11 years later.

The planes used oil. Iraq still has oil. Your quest for the truth is now over

 

[jbauer]

Anyone find it hard to believe that they found an intact passport from one of the hijackers from a plane that exploded?

No, haven't you ever played with firecrackers? Explosions cause stuff to go away from the detonation point. Now if you told me they found 100 passports rubber banded together sitting nicely in an evidence bag I'd say you'd be onto something.

 

[jmdrake]

I do. I know who did it, why they did and what happened. I don't believe any of the wide variety of conspiracies out there. If you do that's fine.

However, who financed it has never really been probed. It would be interesting to find out, but doubt we will ever get that info.

If you don't know who financed it then how do you know why it was ultimately carried out? Say the finance trail led back to the Bush family? Then what? Are you familiar with Riggs Bank and its connections with terrorist money laundering? Are you aware of the fact that Jonathan Bush , uncle to George W. Bush, was a top executive at Riggs bank? Being tied to unsavory characters through banking is nothing new to the Bush family. Family patriarch, Prescott Bush, was known as Hitler's banker.

 

[coastie]

No, haven't you ever played with firecrackers? Explosions cause stuff to go away from the detonation point. Now if you told me they found 100 passports rubber banded together sitting nicely in an evidence bag I'd say you'd be onto something.

A firework explosion and fuel explosion are two completely different things, way different pressures involved. I see what you're trying to say, sure it's not "impossible" for the passport to have survived, but twice? They found one in Shanksville as well. They also never found the black boxes for either plane that hit the towers...yet found passports, bandanas and a couple box cutters. Hmm, how convenient for the official story.

Couple that with the awfully convenient bag that didn't make Atta's flight that had his last will and testament, flight training manuals, etc. Because that's also totally plausible that you would take all that on a flight to be destroyed, because everyone writes a last will, just to destroy it...

Or, maybe Atta knew already they'd find someone's passport after the crashes, and figured the will and testament would survive the crash? Think of the firecrackers. Seems legit.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Wow, the fastest and most costliest (taxpayers and also their liberties) of 'Asbestos Abatement' and 'Pentagon REFIs' we have witnessed in history.

 

[coastie]

Wow, the fastest and most costliest (taxpayers and also their liberties) of 'Asbestos Abatement' and 'Pentagon REFIs' we have witnessed in history.

Psht, silence you crazy fucking truther. These are all just coincidences.


You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists. We see where you stand.

Reported.

 

[InRonITrust]

I know it's fun to blame Saudi Arabia for supporting terrorism, but frankly there is no evidence to support that. The government of Saudi Arabia cracks down on al-Qaeda in its own country.

I also know that its fun to engage in conspiracy theories regarding Israel and 9/11, but that is just anti-Semitic stuff that has no place on a Ron Paul forum which is dedicated to supporting his son Rand.

Frankly, I am excited about the future Israel-Saudi alliance. This will take care of the Palestinian problem and Iran will be in the dustbin of history.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...tunity-for-israeli-saudi-alliance/2013/11/26/

 

[coastie]

I know it's fun to blame Saudi Arabia for supporting terrorism, but frankly there is no evidence to support that. The government of Saudi Arabia cracks down on al-Qaeda in its own country.

I also know that its fun to engage in conspiracy theories regarding Israel and 9/11, but that is just anti-Semitic stuff that has no place on a Ron Paul forum which is dedicated to supporting his son Rand.

Frankly, I am excited about the future Israel-Saudi alliance. This will take care of the Palestinian problem and Iran will be in the dustbin of history.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...tunity-for-israeli-saudi-alliance/2013/11/26/

-rep. You're just a shill. Anyone with an internet connection and 3rd grade level reading comprehension could see that. "The Palestinian problem"..."Iran will be in the dustbin of history"...


When do you grab your rifle, and head over there? Please do, ASAP.

 

[Tod]

I watched the second video last night.....

Interview discussing what happened to the twin towers, October 2011. For anyone who thinks the possibility of 911 being constructed/aided by America's own Government/Military is unrealistic, look up Operation Northwoods, Operation Gladio, the attack on the USS Liberty, the Patriot Act & how it was passed.

Dr Judy Wood's qualifications:

B.S. Civil Engineering, Structural Engineering
M.S. Engineering Mechanics (Applied Physics)
Ph.D. Materials Engineering Science, 1992 from the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia.

Her dissertation involved the development of an experimental method to measure thermal stresses in bimaterial joints. She has taught courses including:

•Experimental Stress Analysis,
•Engineering Mechanics,
•Mechanics of Materials (Strength of Materials)
•Strength of Materials Testing

Presentation of the evidence by Dr Judy Wood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRLdPs... Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ussd44... Part 2


And for a closer look at the claims it was Bin Laden (who the FBI officially admit was not wanted for 911 due to no evidence against him) see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9PGwm...

 

[coastie]

I watched the second video last night.....

I personally feel Dr. Wood is a disinfo agent.


NONE of her theories are repeatable by experiment.

Dr. Jones, Kevin Ryan, et al have ALL either lost their professional positions, or were forced to retire, and they all found actual evidence supporting their claims, and performed experiments backing them up.

Dr. Wood has done none of this, because her claims cannot be proven through experiment, you know, that whole science thing. Instead, she publishes a book full of pictures and references to food items.

Dr. Wood has never lost her professional position, and her theories are as whacked out as you can possible get, not to mention un provable. Why is that?

 

[InRonITrust]

-rep. You're just a shill. Anyone with an internet connection and 3rd grade level reading comprehension could see that. "The Palestinian problem"..."Iran will be in the dustbin of history"...


When do you grab your rifle, and head over there? Please do, ASAP.

Are you seriously saying that the Palestinians are not a problem?