Congress ends Gas Mileage Rules

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFobMr_xzjY

 

[acptulsa]

Zero out the fines but don't remove the regulations. So, the next Democrat administration need only reinstate the penalties.

What American carmaker is going to embark on a three year development project under those circumstances?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Zero out the fines but don't remove the regulations. So, the next Democrat administration need only reinstate the penalties.

What American carmaker is going to embark on a three year development project under those circumstances?

It was a budget reconciliation bill, the Senate wouldn't let them do more.
But just like with the NFA fees this opens it up to being eliminated.

 

[acptulsa]

It was a budget reconciliation bill, the Senate wouldn't let them do more.

Has he tried? Who in the Congress is he encouraging to introduce a repeal?

But just like with the NFA fees this opens it up to being eliminated.

It doesn't make any difference at all. It isn't a repeal, it doesn't make a repeal more likely, it isn't a necessary first step toward repeal. This is a temporary relief for muscle car manufacturers which will be undone unless Trump does something substantive for once and uses his bully pulpit to ram through a real repeal.

This permanent bloodsucking tick class sets all this mess up and leaves it in place so we'll fight tooth and nail over their partisan asses just to buy our favorite kind of temporary relief from their tyranny. That's why Trump never actually fixes anything.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Everything bad is bad.
Everything good is also bad.
Even is something good, it's not good enough, so it's bad.
Even if it's good, it's still bad because people might think it's good.

 

[acptulsa]

@Anti Federalist is glad Republicans never fix anything, so when Democrats get back in they're back to screwing us in days, like flipping a switch. Gives him something to bitch about.

 

[TheTexan]

I am appalled by this horrible change, I demand the fines be reinstated immediately

 

[acptulsa]

The Ron Paul Revolution came very close to a breakthrough by recruiting both Republicans and Democrats who were capable of seeing that there really wasn't any difference between this brand of politician and that one. They made different promises but passed the same crappy laws.

So rather than risk us hiring someone who will repeal some of their tyrannical ten thousand pages of federal code, they seem to have embarked on a new quest to MAPA--Make America Partisan Again--through selective enforcement. Nothing gets fixed but when you elect this you get punitive taxes on V-8 engines and when you elect that nobody pays for surgery to affirm your mental illness. That'll get the vote out. That'll make them enthused.

Never repeal a law but turn them on and off to jerk the marionette's strings and make them dance. It ain't much, but it's enough to get @Anti Federalist and @CaptUSA joining Swordy in busting the chops of anyone who they figure doesn't display enough gratitude for getting thrown a bone. There was a time when adult conversations about how we're being manipulated was kind of the point of having this forum.

 

[Anti Federalist]

@Anti Federalist is glad Republicans never fix anything, so when Democrats get back in they're back to screwing us in days, like flipping a switch. Gives him something to bitch about.

Even if something is good, it's not good enough, so it's bad.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Never repeal a law but turn them on and off to jerk the marionette's strings and make them dance. It ain't much, but it's enough to get @Anti Federalist and @CaptUSA joining Swordy in busting the chops of anyone who they figure doesn't display enough gratitude for getting thrown a bone. There was a time when adult conversations about how we're being manipulated was kind of the point of having this forum.

Even if it's good, it's still bad because people might think it's good.

 

[Anti Federalist]

@acptulsa

I have concluded that nobody has the stomach for what I have been agitating to undertake, for decades now: outright rebellion and secession.

Therefore other courses must be followed.

The gun rights movement, to my mind, has been one of the most successful "freedom" political actions ever.

But to get from a nation that was on the verge of banning all handguns in 1980 to a nation in 2025 that has a majority of states that are now "constitutional carry" states, and close to repealing both the 1968 and 1934 gun control acts, was a mind numbingly slow and frustrating journey, of minor victories and almost as many setbacks, that has taken all my adult life.

Ron has himself been in that fight, longer than almost all of us have. If anybody understands this, it is him.

So, I'll take small victories like this.

Would it be better had the whole CAFE standard structure been torn down? Of course. That's what should happen next.

I didn't set out to bust your balls on this, a legitimate "small victory" was won, and you needs must had to piss all over it, because it wasn't good enough.

That is an adult conversation and statement.

 

[TheTexan]

I have concluded that nobody has the stomach for what I have been agitating to undertake, for decades now: outright rebellion and secession.

If we won't do what is necessary, then we shall do what remains: beg for scraps.

 

[acptulsa]

That is an adult conversation and statement.

And about time I got one out of one of you.

And those are points well taken. What's more, there has been similar progress on abortion. I don't have a problem with that. Now consider these three points:

No progress was made on the gun question until people saw the NRA for what it really is and turned away from it. No progress was made on abortion until people (for example) stopped being satisfied with voting for GHW Bush, even though he said he'd buy Jenna an abortion, to "send a message". Progress was made by people who judged the quality of the gains they just made, and asked how to use it to get to the next step. People who turned their backs on "allies" that weren't helping, and were always ready to abandon those (like the GOP) which weren't entirely reliable. The bad guys are relentless, and where we've made gains is where we've been relentless too.

While we've taken two steps forward in those areas, we've taken a dozen steps backward in myriad others. Maybe our guns are the most important question because eventually they'll speak for us, I don't know. But so far both those movements were successful, but narrowly. It isn't easy or always possible to carry other aspects of life along on the coattails of issues like these, but where it is possible it happens because the principle of the thing is kept at the forefront of the conversation.

They dearly love sending the burglars in while they're distracting the guard dogs, usually by throwing the guard dogs a bone. The bad guys have a sharp eye for substantive change vs. stuff that looks good but does nothing, and it does no harm at all to keep sharp eyes ourselves so we know where we really stand.

You consider pointing these things out pissing on your parade. Clayton calls it black pilling. Whiny, whiny. Fact is, we're going the wrong direction overall, and the kids don't even realize how fundamentally life in this country has changed while we were happily thanking our leaders for the occasional bone thrown our way. So bitch about me all you want, boomer. I'm going to keep calling it like I see it, because we have got to do better than business as usual, and we can't afford to piss all the momentum the Ron Paul movement built up celebrating Trump's every belch as a breakthrough the way Swordy does.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And about time I got one out of one of you.

And those are points well taken. What's more, there has been similar progress on abortion. I don't have a problem with that. Now consider these three points:

No progress was made on the gun question until people saw the NRA for what it really is and turned away from it. No progress was made on abortion until people (for example) stopped being satisfied with voting for GHW Bush, even though he said he'd buy Jenna an abortion, to "send a message". Progress was made by people who judged the quality of the gains they just made, and asked how to use it to get to the next step. People who turned their backs on "allies" that weren't helping, and were always ready to abandon those (like the GOP) which weren't entirely reliable. The bad guys are relentless, and where we've made gains is where we've been relentless too.

While we've taken two steps forward in those areas, we've taken a dozen steps backward in myriad others. Maybe our guns are the most important question because eventually they'll speak for us, I don't know. But so far both those movements were successful, but narrowly. It isn't easy or always possible to carry other aspects of life along on the coattails of issues like these, but where it is possible it happens because the principle of the thing is kept at the forefront of the conversation.

They dearly love sending the burglars in while they're distracting the guard dogs, usually by throwing the guard dogs a bone. The bad guys have a sharp eye for substantive change vs. stuff that looks good but does nothing, and it does no harm at all to keep sharp eyes ourselves so we know where we really stand.

You consider pointing these things out pissing on your parade. Clayton calls it black pilling. Whiny, whiny. Fact is, we're going the wrong direction overall, and the kids don't even realize how fundamentally life in this country has changed while we were happily thanking our leaders for the occasional bone thrown our way. So bitch about me all you want, boomer. I'm going to keep calling it like I see it, because we have got to do better than business as usual, and we can't afford to piss all the momentum the Ron Paul movement built up celebrating Trump's every belch as a breakthrough the way Swordy does.

Boomer? You old fart, you're older than I am.

I don't disagree with anything you said here.

Yes, let's take this win and move to the next level.

 

[nikcers]

The Ron Paul Revolution came very close to a breakthrough by recruiting both Republicans and Democrats who were capable of seeing that there really wasn't any difference between this brand of politician and that one. They made different promises but passed the same crappy laws.

So rather than risk us hiring someone who will repeal some of their tyrannical ten thousand pages of federal code, they seem to have embarked on a new quest to MAPA--Make America Partisan Again--through selective enforcement. Nothing gets fixed but when you elect this you get punitive taxes on V-8 engines and when you elect that nobody pays for surgery to affirm your mental illness. That'll get the vote out. That'll make them enthused.

Never repeal a law but turn them on and off to jerk the marionette's strings and make them dance. It ain't much, but it's enough to get @Anti Federalist and @CaptUSA joining Swordy in busting the chops of anyone who they figure doesn't display enough gratitude for getting thrown a bone. There was a time when adult conversations about how we're being manipulated was kind of the point of having this forum.

Its always going to be partisan.

Even if you repeal the law there is nothing stopping the left from electing a different government that will make a new law.

I believe the Ron Paul revolution was successful.

I believe it moved the overton window and prevented the far left Bernie Sanders movement from becoming mainstream.

 

[acptulsa]

Boomer? You old fart, you're older than I am.

I don't know what makes you think that.

You wrote off secession too soon, too, IMO. The needle hasn't stopped moving yet.

 

[acptulsa]

Its always going to be partisan.

Nobody wants to hear your bullshit. Especially since it's all the same painfully familiar bullshit we've been getting fed sinc before you were even a gleam in Isaac Asimov's eye.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Zero out the fines but don't remove the regulations. So, the next Democrat administration need only reinstate the penalties.

What American carmaker is going to embark on a three year development project under those circumstances?

Which is basically what the guy said in the video.

Kind of reminds me of a discussion on Fox Business earlier today about shoplifting. They didn't really make shoplifting legal, they just removed all the penalties...

 

[nikcers]

Nobody wants to hear your bullshit. Especially since it's all the same painfully familiar bullshit we've been getting fed sinc before you were even a gleam in Isaac Asimov's eye.

We have been hearing your both parties are the same shit for decades and then in the next breath you say you gotta repeal the law because what if the democrats get elected and start taxing us again.

Which just isnt even logical because if the democrats get elected they can just write a new law to tax us.

That doesnt matter though because you already convinced enough people that both sides are the same and pissed on us and told us its raining and so people didn't go out and vote so the democrats tax us more.

 

[acptulsa]

Kind of reminds me of a discussion on Fox Business earlier today about shoplifting. They didn't really make shoplifting legal, they just removed all the penalties...

Anarcho-Tyranny. Otherwise known as an abusive relationship. What's fine today gets you punished tomorrow. Otherwise people might get comfortable enough to thrive and build their own power structures.