Confirmation that Obama's Birth Certificate Is Not Authentic

[RiversMcGee]

This may be true, however, Ron tainting his name with this controversy would give far more ammunition to the media to further marginalize Paul into some conspiracy theorist, which he is not.

I see your point. I guess I'm taking this whole thing as a big ol' snowball and seeing the cover-up as the de facto truth. The authority figure talking about it is what made me believe it, I thought the original conspiracy was bull up until tonight.

 

[JJ2]

Probably. Very curious that Arpaio decides to 'investigate' this just as DOJ is cracking down on him for all the shit he has pulled and all the people that have died in his custody. And of course, they seize on something that was noticed, analyzed, and debunked when the document was first released nearly a year ago.

I would say it's the other way around. Arpaio started the investigation before the DOJ investigated him. And this is the same DOJ that murdered the border patrol agent here in Arizona, along with many more people, with their "Fast and Furious" crimes.

As for the claims being debunked, Arpaio's presentation showed that OCR was definitely not used on Obama's LFBC, and that optimization does not produce the anomalies.

 

[kylejack]

I would say it's the other way around. Arpaio started the investigation before the DOJ investigated him. And this is the same DOJ that killed our border patrol agent here in Arizona, along with many more people, with their "Fast and Furious" crimes.

As for the claims being debunked, Arpaio's presentation showed that OCR was definitely not used on Obama's LFBC, and that optimization does not produce the anomalies.

"We believe probable cause exists indicating that forgery and fraud may have been committed."

With that may in there he can really say whatever he wants. He's not going to level an actual accusation, because that opens him to slander.

 

[notsure]

Whatever the case, the topic has an agenda attached to it. Be best for the campaign to not get to close to it. The people should be on it though.

 

[kylejack]

I would say it's the other way around. Arpaio started the investigation before the DOJ investigated him.

The news story says this was a 6 month investigation. The DOJ probe started over 3 years ago.

 

[notsure]

Sorry, but this thread doesn't belong in Grassroots Central. It has 0 to do with RP's campaign.

I agree with that. It's more like a general politics or opposing candidates topic.

 

[JJ2]

The news story says this was a 6 month investigation. The DOJ probe started over 3 years ago.

OK, after looking up the details, it looks like the DOJ investigation began under the Bush administration in 2008. But their "cracking down on him" as you put it, did occur in December, soon after he announced he was investigating Obama's BC.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

democrats/liberals dont care that Obama is not born in the USA. certainly, Obama doesnt care.

Obama already took a dump on the constitution... so he probably took a dump on the birthing part of the constitution as well.

 

[JJ2]

For me I still think there's not enough evidence to make a judgement. But t me, more convincing than the "fake" birth certificate are the reports/pictures of his "actual" birth certificate in Kenya... they look pretty legit

http://www.thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm

Obama's own step-grandmother said:

"This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands," added the grandmother. http://www.nation.co.ke/News/region...+party+/-/1070/912088/-/15cc81rz/-/index.html

 

[Natural Citizen]

I agree with that. It's more like a general politics or opposing candidates topic.

The bigger issue really should be the fact that multi-national banks/corporations who funded his existence/campaign...who are far more powerful than any sitting president...enjoy the gift of constitution and citizenship. Even though they are non-natural entities. Fix that and the birth certificate issue can never exist again.

 

[papitosabe]

I know it seems a lot of you don't care about this issue very much, but I believe Ron Paul should stay away from this

well said, nuff said.... RP needs to keep clear, this is getting more attention here than it deserves...

 

[thoughtomator]

RP should stay away from this, but "kylejack" is 100% wrong and should not be repeating a false "debunking" story.

It is not the production of layers which was the issue, but the number and nature of them. It is impossibleto reproduce the 9-layer result with certain key elements in their own discrete layers via any process other than intentional alteration. I do have the skills to confirm this myself and did so with the original document released by the WH. You cannot produce a PDF scan of a legit BC document with the registrar's signature and date time and stamp each on its own separate, discrete, and movable layer. It cannot be done, and the embarrassingly poor excuse for a "debunking" (which actually confirms, not debunks, the fraud if you look at the document he produced).

And the layers are just the beginning of a long list of serious problems with the document. The document is a total fraud and anyone with the skills to analyze it can confirm it for themselves.

As with many other issues, I don't know what the bottom line truth that is being obscured here really is, but I do know that the "official story" is a complete lie.

 

[Liberty74]

The BC is a total fake proven by pretty much everyone knowledgeable in Adobe Illlustrator. The BC has multiple layers, computerized ink that did not exist back then, and all other sorts of crap. It's clearly not the original. I followed this story closely. I remember about 5 months prior to Obama releasing this fake BC, the Hawaii Governor looked high and low to find the BC. Guess what? He could not find it. Then all of a sudden, it pops up. But no one is allowed to look at it. Only a scannned copy was posted. And below you will know why...

Obama has spent millions in court cases to fight from having to show his BC. Why waste the money if the BC was real and always sitting in Hawaii? Kagan was one of his lawyers. We all know where she ended up despite never being a judge.

Watch in your own eyes from an Adobe expert that proves it. He also disproves all the debunk layer idiots in another video.

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FAKE

 

[dancjm]

How is it trivial? Really? He broke the Constitution. It's grounds for him to be impeached. Ron Paul should be at the forefront of addressing this, as he is "the Constitution's Champion". He needs to use this as an example, and address the other ways we have not been following the Constitution.

I believe he has also violated the constitution by waging war and destroying your money. You have 15 posts. You might be genuine.

But I think you are a FAKE.

 

[GHoeberX]

Joe Arpaio is a thug and an idiot.

As to the question of how it will affect Ron Paul's campaign - it will sink it if Ron Paul is associated with this.

100% agree. Come on people, let's not spend energy on this.

In the best case they prove that the White House-released birth-certificate has been edited by some communication-employee. So what if the Obama administration scanned a black-and-white copy and then added the green background digitally...

 

[thoughtomator]

100% agree. Come on people, let's not spend energy on this.

In the best case they prove that the White House-released birth-certificate has been edited by some communication-employee. So what if the Obama administration scanned a black-and-white copy and then added the green background digitally...

That scenario has been tested and shown not to be able to produce a similar document to the one that was released.

The real deal on this is that the GOP establishment doesn't want it exposed either since following the law torpedoes the prospects for three of their favorite sons, McCain, Rubio, and Jindal.

 

[freneticentropy]

This is so fucking stupid. Who the hell takes Joe Arpaio seriously about anything? I will bet anyone any amount of money that this 'proof' turns out to be complete bull.

Everyone pushing this nonsense... stop. just... stop. You're giving me a headache. Bigfoot theories have more credibility and make more sense than birther crap.

I'm completely and totally ashamed and embarrassed that some Paul supporters keep bringing this up. You make us all look like fools.

I suggest closing down this thread in shame and never bringing it up again.

 

[kpitcher]

But I think you are a FAKE.

I agree, this is the second birther comment I've seen. I can only think some other campaign is trolling.

 

[slamhead]

Ron Paul doesn't buy into the birther argument, and most RP supporters that I know do not. Let's try to let the political-hacks waste their resources on this rabbit hole.

I was never a big follower of the birther issue but this new revelation changes the game but unfortunately the leftist media has already been to affective in labeling the birthers as kooks so I don't think the truth will matter in the long run.

 

[Crotale]

Can a mod please move this thread to General Politics?