Confessions of an active duty police officer

[Fivezeroes]

Here's a detective one..

I think Detectives are just above SGT, when it comes to rank. I still have two years before I can even qualify for SGT consideration. Not that I have any need for a get out of jail free card.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

If he's asking whether or not I'd let one of my psudo-brothers off because he has a badge, no. I wouldn't believe it or not we're not all corrupt.

No, I don't believe he is. I'd assume he's more saying that there has been implicit help in insuring the drug trade [cocaine and heroin] is uninterupted. [with more evidence than has been used to convict most anyone I'd add] Check it out for yourself, Norwin Meneses? Why was his brother released from where, Ecuador? DEA contacts? I must be confused. Please refute me, I am a little off track I think. I forgot about Ollie North's pardon...

I forgot Bill Clinton's pardons. I can only remember so much. I really want you to take a week, read, and repudiate what I'm saying. I haven't read anything about it in five or so years and I very well might be wrong. I just want you to read the evidence, and tell me as much. Respectfully.

ETA: I very well might be wrong on the locations. [especially where Meneses's family was relieved of any DEA charges- Puerto Rico I believe, and Oakland, CA I believe, but there was a country he was released from with DEA help- South American- [I think Ecuador, if someone knows more about this than I?] Any help from someone familiar with what I'm referring to is a plus rep.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Here's one for officers

I feel so left out... I should have joined Belleville PD... jk, like I said, I have no need, my son is 7, he wont be driving for a while and he knows I'll kick his ass if he gets in trouble.


@sailing I have no idea what the LAPD was thinking, the way they went after him though, it does tell me that he had a lot of dirt on officers there, that they didn't want to get out. LAPD are corrupt.

 

[cjm]

Oh yea, we leave personal notes, but nothing like that. If we pull someone who pops as a well known felon and likely to be armed, we like to know about it. As far as petty stuff like give this person as many tickets as possible, I've never seen anything like it. I wont say it's not there, but, I've never seen it.

Do your computers identify drivers who are CHP holders?

 

[TaftFan]

Have you heard of OathKeepers?

Highly recommend looking it up.

I am a big fan of cops shows myself, and generally have a positive view towards cops, but I recognize there is a ton of abuse and also bad laws created by state governments.

 

[Fivezeroes]

First off, I would like to thank 5-0 for volunteering for this ass chewing and I give kudos for him remaining calm. Too, calm IMHO.

I believe that City Cops and State Cops and the FBI are unconstitutional. And by their very nature..are anti-liberty. They are appointed bureaucratic nightmares. I applaud you if you are a 'good' cop. Although some things you said were troubling. You may have a chief that seems cool but, the very position he is in, is anti-citizen and he is beholden to the politics of where he is at. You are lucky.

The Sheriff on the other hand is a constitutionally authorized function, as they are directly elected by the county citizens. If the citizens want to elect a law body, so be it. They are not appointed.

A few points/questions.
1) You have NO legal authority to protect me from myself, despite what you have been taught. Constitution 101. As long as I am not directly infringing on someone else's rights...piss off. If you think my suicide 'might' endanger others, keep the others away from me. I don't need saving.

2) You cannot entertain the idea that an anonymous tip is an excuse to apprehend anyone, unless they are already wanted for a violent crime. PERIOD.

3) In situations where it gets heated and an officer strikes an innocent because his pride was hurt, you have the OBLIGATION to arrest your fellow officer, in public, on the spot. This 'brotherhood cult' is out of control.

4) I am not sure of the statistic but I will be corrected if wrong. The majority of police abuses that come to light, end with paid suspension, forced retirement with pay and/or 90% get to go back to work like nothing happened. After destroying a family. You cannot defend that...it is not possible.

5) You want trust from the public? Then get rid of the revenuers and the power hungry pigs, who's egos, have hurt us beyond repair.

6) If an officer shows up at my house flaunting his power, without a lawful warrant, he will be shot. It is legal in more places than you think. This is not a threat but, y'all brought this hell fire on yourselves.

7) You need to evaluate your position. It seems to me that the law is first, rights second. And petty law, not the constitution. If I were a cop it would be, how do I protect others rights and where does the perp fit into that.

8) Preemptive action is NOT law enforcement, it is downright illegal. Besides, you should be rights protectors not, revenuers// cough/// law enforcement.



I have had no really bad experiences with the lawless in blue, just a few arrogant punks that wasted my time.

I have dealt with the Sheriff though, he is one of the ones that refuses to comply with DC mandates. And their number one, on their mission statement is to protect rights not, arrest lawbreakers.

1. As much as I wish, I could agree with you, I can't. I know I'm under no federal mandate to protect you, but under state law, I have to. You know the whole serve and protect oath. To be honest, if someone wants to kill themselves. what can I do to change it? Taking them off to the nut hut isn't going to change the fact that they want to die.

2. Sadly, you'd be wrong again on that. Since most people love to get lawyers and sue the hell out of the cities, if we receive tips that someone is a danger to themselves, we have to respond or else we get sued for it. When the city gets sued, they have to lay off, to be honest officers have other things that they could be doing, like taking care of real criminals, especially if following up on said tip ends up being bs.

3. I agree, luckily I have never witnessed it. The officers I work with don't behave the way the NY cops do.

4. You're wrong, it's around 60%, most abuses reported directly to the chief of police especially if you have one like ours, is instantly dealt with, if the officer has had issues in the past, or gotten any other demerits he is punished with unpaid suspension and if he screws up a third time he is fired. If there is a weapon discharge and a suspect is killed, all information is sent to IA, the officer is placed on desk duty or paid suspension then, when IA finishes their investigation if it was justified, the officer if fully reinstated, if not, the officer is suspended without pay until the DA decides what he wants to do. Cops can't be fired due to unions, unless it is 100% justifiable.

5. You make it sound so easy, if it was that easy do you think that any of them would still be around? Finding damn good cops is harder than you think, sadly sometimes a few bad apples make their way through the academy.

6. It might be lawful, but be aware of the revenge that is sure to take place, you have some that wont care but some that will and they'll say you pulled a gun on them, even if you didn't and they had to plant one. Personally it's something that I never like to do and that is flaunt my authority if I can be respectful, I ask you do the same.

7. I'm not following you here, didn't I say in my post that most of us, such as myself will not do anything to trample on your rights?

8. Again, I'm not following you here, what exactly do you mean, what preemptive action are you referring to?


Our police chief and our sheriff are exactly the same, pretty much. They both don't care much for DC's bullshit.

As for why I'm calm, It's probably the fact that I knew what would happen when I posted, why get mad over it? It's a message board, besides I get called worse almost on a daily basis lol.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Do your computers identify drivers who are CHP holders?

Yes, which is why whenever I pull someone who has a CCW. I'll ask them if they're carrying their weapon today, it's mainly for my protection but 90% of the time it's to strike up a conversation. Lets face it no one likes to be pulled and if I can put someone at ease, they're less likely to get irate about it. Every single CCW holder I have ever pulled over has turned out to be awesome.

 

[cjm]

Yes, which is why whenever I pull someone who has a CCW. I'll ask them if they're carrying their weapon today, it's mainly for my protection but 90% of the time it's to strike up a conversation. Lets face it no one likes to be pulled and if I can put someone at ease, they're less likely to get irate about it. Every single CCW holder I have ever pulled over has turned out to be awesome.

And if the response is "yes," do you confiscate the weapon for the duration of the traffic stop? I have heard of that happening down where you are.

 

[Aurave]

Now, I know that the word police officer doesn't sit well with most people here. I know that a lot of cops have given you guys a bad taste in your mouth; especially with all the reports of police brutally beating inmates and going around killing dogs to name a few.

I have been an officer for going on four years now, you probably ask why I joined the force to begin with. The simple answer is like most police officers, I wanted to make a difference in my community. I know that sentence right there got quite a few scoffs. But, that's the truth. I joined because I was tired of seeing all the drug dealers, pedophiles, and plain old common criminals destroy the city that I grew up in. So four years ago, I joined the force.

In those four years, I have seen pretty much every horror you can think of, child pornography in the hands of those sworn to protect this country, members of the military. I have seen gang bangers dead in the middle of the street, brain matter on the side-walk where they were gunned down. I have seen women beaten so badly by their significant others and not wanting to press charges, that it sickened me. I have even seen my fair share of suicides, which are some of the worse things to ever witness.

I have arrested quite a few people, I have helped a woman give birth (I don't know how doctors do this), I have taken many many pedophiles off the streets, not once have I asked for praise or anything like that, I saw it as doing my job. In all the time I have been on the force, I have NEVER once stepped on someone's constitutional rights. Most cops can't say that, most cops smirk when you even mention the thought of regular citizens having rights. I have also never killed anyone's dog, whether it was a suspect's dog or just a regular family dog that came running to me, when I went out to check out a domestic disturbance. I have had hostile dogs try to attack me, but, a squirt of pepper spray took care of that. I have even saved a suspects life after they had a heart attack on me, while I was in the process of cuffing them.

I have received various awards over the years from the chief, again not to be a glory hound or anything like that, but to do what I set out to do, and that was protect people that couldn't protect themselves as well as protect my city. I guess what I'm trying to express in this post is that not all cops are bad, yes, there are the few that don't give two shits about your rights. But, they are few and far between. Every officer and I'm sure that I'm not the only one on these boards, that see the police brutality videos are both saddened and sickened by our fellow officers behaviors. I know that when you guys see it, you automatically think that all cops are like that, that all of us just want to rule the world and beat you down for the littlest of reasons, but again that's far from the truth. Most of us just want to do our jobs, nothing less.

So while I understand why you guys have a certain distrust of us, I ask that you don't lump us all into that group. If I were like the cops you see in that video, I'd be pissed off at how many times you guys have used the word pig, and the fact that some of you even advocate mowing us down. However that is the glory of the Constitution, you can say what you want as long as it remains words, no one needs to go acting on such suggestions, no matter how bad a cop is.

And before I'm asked... the how many question, here is your answers.

Dogs killed: 0
Suspects killed during arrest: 0
Pedo's off the street: 30-ish
Hard Drug Dealers: Over 100

Oh and if you ask about my name, why I called myself Fivezeroes, just another word for the cops. lol. 5.0

Any more questions ask away, except for my badge number of course and which police department I work for. I would prefer to remain anonymous as well, just in case the higher ups don't appreciate me doing this.

You see it's not that we think all cops are bad. We know precisely that they are normal people. That is why we don't like them, because we know they are just normal people, given power to all too often do whatever the hell they want.

 

[Fivezeroes]

And if the response is "yes," do you confiscate the weapon for the duration of the traffic stop? I have heard of that happening down where you are.

Nope, that would be against the constitution. Only thing I am worried about is whether it's loaded, but, as I said most gun owners are law abiding citizens, so I have no need to disarm them. The only time I would take their weapon from them is if I was placing them under arrest. And when they're released they get that right back. Again, I use it to strike up a conversation. I had to arrest one guy, because he had a bench warrant that was issued in his name that the clerk of the court messed up on, he got it straight and received his firearm back.

He understood what had happened, I explained it to him, but due to procedure I had to do it. I have heard about some cops asking for the firearm, I'm not sure why they ask for it, as long as no one is being belligerent there's no need to take it.

 

[Fivezeroes]

You see it's not that we think all cops are bad. We know precisely that they are normal people. That is why we don't like them, because we know they are just normal people, given power to all too often do whatever the hell they want.

We all know the saying...

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

 

[Expatriate]

Yes, which is why whenever I pull someone who has a CCW. I'll ask them if they're carrying their weapon today, it's mainly for my protection but 90% of the time it's to strike up a conversation. Lets face it no one likes to be pulled and if I can put someone at ease, they're less likely to get irate about it. Every single CCW holder I have ever pulled over has turned out to be awesome.

Well that's a good reason for everyone to push for Constitutional Carry in their state. This guy may not freak out but I think we all have heard of cops who would not be the type you would want approaching you from behind knowing you have a permit to carry a lethal weapon.

Just imagine... "He was driving erratically, I suspected he was drunk and when I ran his plates saw he had a carry permit, so when I approached the vehicle I tasered him for my own protection" - Would probably hold up in court.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Well that's a good reason for everyone to push for Constitutional Carry in their state. This guy may not freak out but I think we all have heard of cops who would not be the type you would want approaching you from behind knowing you have a permit to carry a lethal weapon.

Just imagine... "He was driving erratically, I suspected he was drunk and when I ran his plates saw he had a carry permit, so when I approached the vehicle I tasered him for my own protection" - Would probably hold up in court.

The sad fact is, you're probably right. I dunno maybe we're more constitutionally minded in Virginia, or maybe it's just me. But, as long as I have no reason to fear for my life, even if you do have a CCW, I'm not going to try and gun grab you. Wish that all cops thought like this, maybe, just maybe we'd have less videos showing cops behaving in the worst way.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You see it's not that we think all cops are bad. We know precisely that they are normal people. That is why we don't like them, because we know they are just normal people, given power to all too often do whatever the hell they want.

+rep

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Nope, that would be against the constitution. Only thing I am worried about is whether it's loaded, but, as I said most gun owners are law abiding citizens, so I have no need to disarm them. The only time I would take their weapon from them is if I was placing them under arrest. And when they're released they get that right back. Again, I use it to strike up a conversation. I had to arrest one guy, because he had a bench warrant that was issued in his name that the clerk of the court messed up on, he got it straight and received his firearm back.

He understood what had happened, I explained it to him, but due to procedure I had to do it. I have heard about some cops asking for the firearm, I'm not sure why they ask for it, as long as no one is being belligerent there's no need to take it.

A favorite of mine.



A very exceptional case of a law enforcement officer. In case I may be considered as biased...

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Literally, I smiled when the above police officer said you are not detained after checking the weapon for it's functionality. Goddamn, great job.

 

[Fivezeroes]

A favorite of mine.



A very exceptional case of a law enforcement officer. In case I may be considered as biased...

This is how all things like this need to be handled. This officer knew the man had a right to do this and after confirming it wasn't a fully automatic, gave it back. If only all things went this way.

I do want to let you guys in on another secret, if you're stopped and you're carrying your weapon open carry, a police officer cannot ask you if it's registered. That is against the law. Which is why this officer didn't ask to see any licenses for this man's firearms.

 

[Fivezeroes]

Literally, I smiled when the above police officer said you are not detained after checking the weapon for it's functionality. Goddamn, great job.

It makes me proud to see videos like this.

 

[SL89]

1. As much as I wish, I could agree with you, I can't. I know I'm under no federal mandate to protect you, but under state law, I have to. You know the whole serve and protect oath. To be honest, if someone wants to kill themselves. what can I do to change it? Taking them off to the nut hut isn't going to change the fact that they want to die.

2. Sadly, you'd be wrong again on that. Since most people love to get lawyers and sue the hell out of the cities, if we receive tips that someone is a danger to themselves, we have to respond or else we get sued for it. When the city gets sued, they have to lay off, to be honest officers have other things that they could be doing, like taking care of real criminals, especially if following up on said tip ends up being bs.

3. I agree, luckily I have never witnessed it. The officers I work with don't behave the way the NY cops do.

4. You're wrong, it's around 60%, most abuses reported directly to the chief of police especially if you have one like ours, is instantly dealt with, if the officer has had issues in the past, or gotten any other demerits he is punished with unpaid suspension and if he screws up a third time he is fired. If there is a weapon discharge and a suspect is killed, all information is sent to IA, the officer is placed on desk duty or paid suspension then, when IA finishes their investigation if it was justified, the officer if fully reinstated, if not, the officer is suspended without pay until the DA decides what he wants to do. Cops can't be fired due to unions, unless it is 100% justifiable.

5. You make it sound so easy, if it was that easy do you think that any of them would still be around? Finding damn good cops is harder than you think, sadly sometimes a few bad apples make their way through the academy.

6. It might be lawful, but be aware of the revenge that is sure to take place, you have some that wont care but some that will and they'll say you pulled a gun on them, even if you didn't and they had to plant one. Personally it's something that I never like to do and that is flaunt my authority if I can be respectful, I ask you do the same.

7. I'm not following you here, didn't I say in my post that most of us, such as myself will not do anything to trample on your rights?

8. Again, I'm not following you here, what exactly do you mean, what preemptive action are you referring to?


Our police chief and our sheriff are exactly the same, pretty much. They both don't care much for DC's bullshit.

As for why I'm calm, It's probably the fact that I knew what would happen when I posted, why get mad over it? It's a message board, besides I get called worse almost on a daily basis lol.

1) You are wrong. I don't care what State or town you are in. I have unlimited rights as long as they don't impede on the rights of another. It is illegal for you to stop my suicide...Constitution......Only if I pose no threat to another and that has to be apparent. But, hey, This protect and serve stuff, is not real. Heck, you are obligated, under law,to use any evidence against me. Even Miranda doesn't allow you to use evidence "in support". Everything is to be used to get a conviction from the DA. Guilty from the scene until I get to court and have a lawyer. So much for innocent until proven.... This happens for misdemeanors all the time. Catch a person without proof of insurance...guilty! You enforce 'laws' that are really not laws at all.

2) Well, City Police are not authorized legally, so this would not apply if the cities obeyed the law. Maybe you all should be arresting lawyers?? and protecting peoples rights, after all Rights trump the law especially law that it outside of the scope of the Constitution.. Rights are the law.

3)I am so glad. I would like to know what state you are in.

4)My stats stand corrected. I based them off of the reports about Chicago, NY, etc. But, you mentioned unions. DANGER ZONE! Protect our own and serve. So you reiterated an earlier point of mine. The brotherhood of cops. If the public has no recourse outside of civil litigation....Cops go free. (Most people can't afford lawyers as you know)

5) Straw man. Lots of good people could and would be cops if it was...legal. hehe. Yep, opened a can right there.

6) I know the "legal" law around here, I drink coffee with them and they have helped me when my kid ran away.They are not threatened by me. But, they are constitutionalist's. Might be fringe to you and the Feds but, not to us, not here.

7) This is a hard one for me. Your job is by its very nature is illegal. The city has no Constitutional right to have a police force. That said... I meant, you follow the law as written before you ensure someones rights. Simple really. You are a good cop, we thank you and get that. Hell, I would buy you a beer any day. But, the question is....Where do you draw the line between the rights of a sovereign individual juxtaposed against the laws of some town or state or even federal? Under the Constitution you are under NO obligation to enforce an unjust law. Oh wait, yes you are, you are in an appointed position and are equivalent to a private cop. Bad legal place to be, especially when people are waking up. BTW. Cities have insurance...Being sued is a mute point. I haven't seen a cop get fired yet, because a city was sued. The go on leave and it goes away.

8) Preemption: Another tough one. Law enforcement has no right to apprehend, harass, question someone on a rumor, here say or a hunch. Not without a warrant. You can't say "So and so said this" and then infringe on my rights. You can give me a summons. Despite what happens on the street, I am still innocent until proven guilty. Once you apprehend me and are under code of law to use anything I say against me...I am presumed guilty. And it is very expensive to get out of. (I could be arrested on a whim..a hunch and it would render my family homeless if I fought the charge)


No, your police chief and the Sheriff are not the same. One is legally authorized and one is not. But, I am glad they hold similar views.


Back to point one. I don't need protection, nor do my kids. What is this "holier than thou" complex with law enforcement?

 

[jcannon98188]

Depends on what the hear say is. When we get reports of someone wanting to do bodily harm to themselves then we have to take it serious. Because there is always that what-if factor. You may not want to believe it, but, that cop had your best interest in mind. You have to look at it from his perspective, is the threat this girl said you made legit, if so, does he ignore it and risk losing his lively hood because he failed to do what he swore to do and that was protect the innocent, or does he do what he did and possibly saved a life, no matter how much he became hated for it? I'm not just looking at this from a cops perspective either.

The President all all of Congress (except for our liberty folks) are planning to commit suicide. Please respond and arrest them. Thank you.