Conference Call

I'll try to drop in to take a listen but that is Church night so might be a little late.
 
why not use webinar? you can have people on the phone, or use their computers. It allows you to have powerpoint for all to see, and a chatroom at Chatzy.

thats how we do conferance calls for the Tea Party.
 
malkusm said:
I'm contemplating whether or not to invite some prominent people from beyond the scope of the forums. It might be best to organize a bit before we start outreach. We obviously have a lot of clarification and structuring to do in the immediate short-term.
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I'd not invite any prominent people yet unless you know them well enough that they will not leave the conference shaking their heads. Credibility is the coin in this natty business of politics, so you will want to have as many ducks in a line as you can before bringing in anyone who may be considered a heavier hitter.

I intend on dialing in.
 
malkusm said:
The viability aspect can be touched upon in the call, but I have no doubt that the PAC can be viable - it just depends on exactly what we want it to accomplish.
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To that end and that of having the ducks lined up as best as possible for this call, I am sure you will be putting an agenda together. To the point in bold, above, perhaps we may contribute our ideas now and in advance pursuant to those ducks lining up well?

Allow me to toss these out as possible ostensible goals, and please bear in mind that I have never done anything like this before and am working completely on intuition and my somewhat developed talent for skying ideas and therefore this list may in fact be worthless. Everyone/anyone please feel free to add/criticize as you see fit.

It's not much, but it is all I can come up with in the absence of prompting for ideas from others, which is a big part of my method of storming.

Possible goals of the Gadsden PAC (sorry, I really like the name)

1. Promotion of strongly freedom-oriented candidates
- vetting of such candidates to "the standard"
- establishment of a philosophical and practical standard to
which candidates are to be vetted and held.
- strategies/policies regarding how to deal with candidates that stray
from the good path
- educational out-reach for the campaign cycle
- ad campaigns
* print
* TV
* radio
* internet
​
- internet campaign site
* general pages - mission, etc.
* candidate pages
* tools for activism
+ how to become a candidate
+ how to garner support
+ how to campaign
+ principles underpinning "liberty"
+ talking points (which should be
consistent across candidate lines
insofar as the basic principles of
liberty are concerned.)
+ forms of all sorts on state-by-state basis
+ rules and regulations
+ what to expect from opposition camps
+ how to deal with opposition activity
​
* other pages of use such as for general education
+ FAQ
+ myth busting pages
​
2. Out-of-cycle educational outreach/activism resource fount
One of the truly monumental failings of people in politics is that they often go like madmen to get a candidate "in". Once finished they disappear back into the woodwork, probably in part from exhaustion, but largely IMO due to lack of a habit of follow-through. Liberty is not an event, it is a lifestyle. It would seem to me that there should be an ever increasing set of liberty resources available in the effort of realigning the way people think. To such ends I might propose the website be endowed with non-cycle materials upon which people may draw at any time.

- Internet-based "liberty IQ test" - not quite jelled on this,
but something along the lines of a conversation with Socrates,
using his method of asking questions such that the taker leads
himself to the correct answers. Just a thought.
- intellectually accessible, brief essays on freedom/liberty, many
perhaps taking on a single basic concept
- definitions of terms
- videos
- a guide (tutorial?) for analyzing arguments
* how authoritarian/collectivist/anti-liberty sources fail in
their reasoning and what the real implications are.
- invalid methods
* proof by assertion
* non-sequitur
* fallacious assumptions
* false dichotomies using
classic "exclusive-or"
reasoning
​
- use of fallacious assumptions is one of the
key mechanisms by which such people
operate, and to great effect.
​
* history section providing a great litany of examples of
the monumental failure that political force has prove
itself to be. Analysis of numerous well known (and
perhaps some not-so-well known) examples of such
failures - hows, when, and whys of those failures and
the harvests reaped for the victims.

* A detailed and logically forceful discussion of slavery
and why it is so important to have a clear
understanding of it . This is a topic where the subject
matter has been savagely misused and abused
resulting in profound and gross misunderstanding of
the concept. I believe it would be a great public
service to clean this up.
​
3. Heavy duty networking with other liberty-oriented organizations
- campaign organizations
- internet sites (e.g. Mises, FSP, SAF)
- authors
- MSM (i.e. efforts to make inroads there to any sympathetic channels)
- concerted effort to reach out to the "moderates" in the interests
of presenting to them a consistent and rational argument as to
why they should abandon any ideas or notions that rest upon
anti-liberty practices (such as violation of the NAP).
- recruit heavy hitters to make videos/ads
- advocate "money where one's mouth is"
* anti-liberty camp has countless billions at its disposal
* where's the beef in the liberty camp?
​
4. Out-of-cycle ad presence
- not just a seasonal campaign organization.
- recall the ad campaign from Getty Oil ca. 1983 "Something to
think about from the people at Getty" referring to LIBERTY
- ongoing public education
* memories are short
* education generally poor
* Johnny Q.'s thinking needs LOTS of help
+ relate the decay in his life to current
political policies - keep hammering at it.
+ "Are you better off now than you were x
years ago?" Remember that?
​
* lobbying the people for liberty is 24/7 job
* battle is strongly uphill, but not impossible
* emphasis on:
+worsening economic conditions
+ increasingly intractable nature of the
wars
+ increasing numbers of people coming
home in body bags or savagely maimed
+ increasing debt
+ increasing use of police-state tactics
+ militarization of civilian authority
+ decrease in personal options (ex. S-510,
PATRIOT)
​
* as the above points worsen, people become more
susceptible to alternate models of thought. They
become more "conservative" in their positions. Find
and make effective use of ways to leverage these
sottish conditions such that people begin seeing the
light.
* make extensive use of the old definition of "insanity":
doing the same thing over and over, expecting different
results, always asking how well have things improved
and if they haven't, why are we doing the same things
expecting different outcomes?
* raising the questions MSM refuses or otherwise fails to
ask
* maintaining a strictly rational public face
+ no histrionics, though some emotion OK
+ no lies
+ no painting deceptive pictures using truth
+ no bellicosity
+ absolute, unvarnished truth at all times
+ strong use of reason - leave opposition
no place to go but into the gutter.
+ unfailing and unflinching emphasis on
liberty (one of my favorite things about
Ron Paul, and one of the smartest. When
interviewers attempt to toss curves at him
he ALWAYS returns to LIBERTY, as if by
reflex - this is what all liberty candidates
need to learn to do because it is the only
thing that really counts).
​
 
StrictBaptist said:
why not use webinar? you can have people on the phone, or use their computers. It allows you to have powerpoint for all to see, and a chatroom at Chatzy.

thats how we do conferance calls for the Tea Party.
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Do you have any free/inexpensive recommendations?

osan said:
To that end and that of having the ducks lined up as best as possible for this call, I am sure you will be putting an agenda together. To the point in bold, above, perhaps we may contribute our ideas now and in advance pursuant to those ducks lining up well?

Allow me to toss these out as possible ostensible goals, and please bear in mind that I have never done anything like this before and am working completely on intuition and my somewhat developed talent for skying ideas and therefore this list may in fact be worthless. Everyone/anyone please feel free to add/criticize as you see fit.

It's not much, but it is all I can come up with in the absence of prompting for ideas from others, which is a big part of my method of storming.
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Great list of objectives, you're definitely on the same wavelength as a lot of us are.

Primarily, the PAC is designed to be a marketing tool for candidates who really don't get a whole lot of headline. Matt and I were joking about how a press release for some of these candidates could be the only press they get all year. :p

But its not just marketing for the candidate, it's also marketing for us, the liberty movement, and a "brand" that we can attach to our candidates. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Rand, Amash, and Gunny won, but it would've been great if there were one central piece that people could latch onto with those victories...like, say, a PAC!

I'm looking forward to meshing out everything on the conference call and getting things going. The people here are some of the most intelligent and skilled people I've ever had the pleasure of speaking to, and I think that with just a little organization, we could make a big splash in 2011 and beyond.
 
AuH2O said:
A PAC is very poorly suited to these types of activities.
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Why?

Assuming this is so, then what about an orthogonal organization that takes up these activities? The PAC may be subsumed in this larger establishment or merely friendly with it.

One other thing: I would consider keeping the PAC NON-PARTISAN. Stand by ANY liberty candidate no matter to what party he may belong.
 
Bump. Everyone who's interested, mark it down on your calendar. Conference call in two days :)
 
Kludge said:
Semi-related note: How does Google Phone handle feedback which may come from having an open mic?
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Doesn't. Not its job. It is the job of the conferencing bridge to do that and that is owned by the conferencing service. I designed much of AT&T's ALLIANCE teleconferencing service and was chief architect. I know these things. :eek::D
 
Bump....conference call in less than 24 hours.

Folks, even if you're unfamiliar with what we're trying to accomplish here, call in if you're the least bit interested. The first part of the call will get everyone on the same page in terms of our vision, model, and where we are currently. I then want to get into some "Action Items" that we will need to carry out, and we can bounce around ways to accomplish them or offer up any info that would help us. We can address any comments/questions/concerns at the end of the call.

We will need a large group of good volunteers to get the ball rolling on this thing, bottom line. I trust RPF to provide a good chunk of that. :)
 
Two issues came up during this call. My prospects of making the call aren't looking good at this point.
 
Jordan said:
We're going to have a conference call to see if we can smooth out some rough spots and get this thing moving forward.

This will be a totally open-mike conference. Primarily, we need to discuss paperwork and filing for the four key states with 2011 elections.

I am very much aware that a Sunday night call may not fit every schedule perfectly. However, I'm sure we'll have plenty of calls in the future and we can work to find a time that will work for as many people as possible. I'm willing to move the time around up or down, but will do so no later than this Thursday. I want to make sure we have enough time to prepare and won't move the time without enough notice.


Conference Details:

Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010

Start Time: 7:30 PM Eastern Std Time

End Time: 9:25 PM Eastern Std Time

Dial-in Number: 1-270-696-1555 (East Coast)

Participant Access Code 6801393


THIS IS NOT A TOLL FREE CONFERENCE CALL. Calls made with a cellphone should be free, but will cost from your weekend minutes. For landlines, you may incur long distance or other charges.

I'll be editing this as I recover from my braindead self.
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just keeping the pertinent data up front on this thread bump
 
aye. I was invited to this earlier this week, I guess it's out in the open now. Massive conference calls can get crazy and unorganized. With phone calls, only 1 person can talk while everyone else listens. I love the idea of a grassroots PAC. I think osan has some great things laid out. I'm excited for this thing to get started. I think it's going to come down to US, the GRASSROOTS, to make this happen. It's our country, not Ron Paul's. We're taking OUR country back, which is such a great difference between Ron Paul and anybody else. Ron Paul is the only person that will give our country back to us. Everyone else will just take it for themselves
 
Jordan said:
We're going to have a conference call to see if we can smooth out some rough spots and get this thing moving forward.

This will be a totally open-mike conference. Primarily, we need to discuss paperwork and filing for the four key states with 2011 elections.

I am very much aware that a Sunday night call may not fit every schedule perfectly. However, I'm sure we'll have plenty of calls in the future and we can work to find a time that will work for as many people as possible. I'm willing to move the time around up or down, but will do so no later than this Thursday. I want to make sure we have enough time to prepare and won't move the time without enough notice.


Conference Details:

Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010

Start Time: 7:30 PM Eastern Std Time

End Time: 9:25 PM Eastern Std Time

Dial-in Number: 1-270-696-1555 (East Coast)

Participant Access Code 6801393


THIS IS NOT A TOLL FREE CONFERENCE CALL. Calls made with a cellphone should be free, but will cost from your weekend minutes. For landlines, you may incur long distance or other charges.

I'll be editing this as I recover from my braindead self.
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I'm interested and plan to call-in too.
 
Blump.

The conference call starts at 7:30PM EST and is scheduled to run for 1:55. I doubt we'll take up that much time. Drop in for a short time if you can, there's a lot of this that and the other we need to straighten out, especially as it relates to those lovely election laws.
 
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