Community will ticket parents of bullies

[Anti Federalist]

Seems like decent incentive for parents to get their little darlings to shape up.

Damn right.

Zero Tolerance.

We need to have cops install cameras in bullies' homes to monitor for compliance as well.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

The parents were bullying the children?

No, but they're responsible for them. That's the price you pay for having children. If your 5-year-old son takes your gun to school and shoots and kills someone, who's getting hauled off to jail: you or him?

Damn right.

Zero Tolerance.

Adult punches adult = arrest for assault. No one has any problem with it.

Kid punches kid = "life lesson, gotta learn to defend themselves." What?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

No, but they're responsible for them. That's the price you pay for having children. If your 5-year-old son takes your gun to school and shoots and kills someone, who's getting hauled off to jail: you or him?

What?

Your question has absoulutely nothing to do with what we are talking about.

 

[Anti Federalist]

based on my experience in school, i'd say it's more like 4/5 if you include everyone over the 12 years of public schooling. some of it brutal, some of it not -- everything from endless taunting to physical abuse.

it's great that you went to a school where stuff like this apparently wasn't prevalent... but I can tell you straight up bullying can be pretty rough. i wasn't bullied all that much, but some of my friends definitely were. my younger sister, who is quite a bit younger than me and grew up in the internet age (and a very different school district), was the subject of a fairly severe case of internet bullying for awhile.

So.... yea. Bullying is a problem. I am not saying this is the solution, however. But I don't think it's the time to ridicule the 'village' notion, because school bullying is very much a case where teacher/parental supervision should be keeping an eye out, because a lot of the kids simply aren't capable (physically/mentally) of defending themselves. if you look like you're two grades younger than you are, or if you stick out for some physical reason, or act too smart, or if you're the wrong color... it can be really rough going.

i'm not even claiming to be innocent of it. i remember one girl from my school named 'horse face'. i don't remember her real name. i don't know if i ever called her that myself, but... like i said, i went to school with her for 12 years and that's the only name i can remember people calling her. that's terrible. that's abusive. not to mention the ancillary issues, like people avoiding being friends w/ her because they don't want to get subjected to overflow abuse.

You just described prison, with a little less violence.

You want to end "bullying"?

Abolish the public school/prison system.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Community: your kid is a bully, stop him or we'll give you a ticket.

Parents: ok, I'll give him something to remember not to be a bully.

Next day at school...

Community: why are you walking like you're hurt, bully?

Bully: my parents gave me the belt so I'd remember not to be a bully.

Community: CPS, we got a case of child abuse, can you send the swat team?

 

[moostraks]

No, you'll send SWAT and CPS and take them.

And they learn all sorts of neat tricks in DFACS care. These folks don't have any solutions to the problem, much of the time it is their government environment that allowed them to behave so inappropriately...Raise them in herds and then act surprised when they behave like animals but don't allow anyone who cares about them to punish them as only the state can be entrusted with that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Adult punches adult = arrest for assault. No one has any problem with it.

Kid punches kid = "life lesson, gotta learn to defend themselves." What?

I've got a big problem with the first as well.

I'm no big fan of locking people up for a fight or a punch in the nose.

I can not believe what I am reading in this thread...

Some of you folks are OK with even more fines, even more enforcement, even more cops prying around in people's business because of schoolyard bullying, pushing and fighting?

Am I reading that right?

Haven't seat belt laws and helmet laws and drunk driving laws and child services laws and all the rest taught anybody a lesson about where all this will end up???

SMFH...

 

[aGameOfThrones]

I've got a big problem with the first as well.

I'm no big fan of locking people up for a fight or a punch in the nose.

I can not believe what I am reading in this thread...

Some of you folks are OK with even more fines, even more enforcement, even more cops prying around in people's business because of schoolyard bullying, pushing and fighting?

Am I reading that right?

Haven't seat belt laws and helmet laws and drunk driving laws and child services laws and all the rest taught anybody a lesson about where all this will end up???

SMFH...

With a safer community, zing!

 

[James Madison]

So, let me get this straight. Government bullies parents, parents can't discipline bullies, government bullies parents, rinse & repeat.

 

[James Madison]

Compare this thread with this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...g-Fellow-Student’s-Life&p=5058799#post5058799

 

[asurfaholic]

It helps when you have a very loose definition of bullying.

I guess I spouted off my own opinion without real facts, but even still - I'd question if occasional picking on someone else has been labeled as bullying.

If i had to guess everyone who ever had their feelings hurt in school said they had been bullied. It's just a guess, but I am aware that we are living in a nation of wussies and pussies.

What do I know though. This is a problem that can be solved at home.

And USA should stop bullying the less fortunate nations around the world, Obama isn't exactly a role model for peace and compassion, that snake.

 

[erowe1]

If it really were "the community" maybe it would be a good idea. As it is, it's the government, not the community.

 

[bunklocoempire]

If it really were "the community" maybe it would be a good idea. As it is, it's the government, not the community.

You're an obvious bully lover. /s

+ rep

 

[affa]

You just described prison, with a little less violence.

You want to end "bullying"?

Abolish the public school/prison system.

Well, yea. No child of mine will go through the public school system. But that doesn't change that many kids are the subject of severe bullying at public schools.

 

[thoughtomator]

The only way to deal with a bully is to beat the living crap out of him until he understands that initiation of force is not in his interest.

 

[affa]

I guess I spouted off my own opinion without real facts, but even still - I'd question if occasional picking on someone else has been labeled as bullying.

If i had to guess everyone who ever had their feelings hurt in school said they had been bullied. It's just a guess, but I am aware that we are living in a nation of wussies and pussies.

Bullying often isn't a public affair. If you're not close to a victim, you might not even see it.

It also is important to take into account that actions are cumulative. Let's say you call someone a 'dork'. No big deal, right? It's just a name, get over it. But what if that kid goes through his entire day with everyone else calling him derogatory names (and/or avoiding him)... to the point it's almost like nobody knows his real name? No single individual really 'bullied' him, but the cumulative effect can be traumatic. This is true even if the kid acts like he is okay with the name (like a kid so beat down he accepts, say, 'Fatso' as a nickname) Add in all the normal wear and tear from public schools, and it can break someone. They go home feeling worthless, going to school becomes (even more of) a nightmare.

 

[bunklocoempire]

The only way to deal with a bully is to beat the living crap out of him until he understands that initiation of force is not in his interest.

I agree.

Or promise to beat the living crap out of him with the means to back it up. Sorta as this OP government "solution" suggests. More like a slap on the wrist or inconvenience handed down from a group.

Now knowing how government "solutions" work and the moral hazard that comes along with letting a group supposedly take care of your own interests, which approach would promote individual liberty? THAT approach will work best.

I went to a small Christian high school and was bullied pretty badly the first year and 1/2 by a single individual who was a year ahead of me. The final action of that bully was to slowly drive a pencil into my arm about a 1/4 inch drawing my blood -it was a 'study hall' and I didn't have any real options other than to take it and show the bully that I didn't give a crap anymore. Going to a teacher was out of the question as a teacher can't escort you all the time not to mention the bully's typical response to 'tattling'.

Now if that bully's parents let him get to that point in the first place where he would drive a pencil into someone else's arm what was the guarantee that the family was going to have some sort of epiphany after a fine? More likely the parents would discipline their failed experiment just as they have been doing since their bundle of PITA showed up. Seriously, why the hell try to re-train a bully and their mom and or dad? Why not just concentrate on your own self and protect your person?

Again, which approach promotes individual liberty and responsibility?

After that pencil incident I challenged my bully to an afterschool fight, he backed down and ceased any other bullying towards me. He also deescalated his bullying towards the other kids dramatically. I had no idea how to actually fight someone and was pretty freaked about what might happen but ultimately just went with it as it seemed the only option. I DID know deep inside that I was right to stand up to that guy, and I knew that ultimately I would have at least my folks and school staff on my side of the issue. Right is right and my folks and teachers were on the same page with that as far as consequences for bad behavior.

As far as mental torment goes, a friend or a genuine kind word or action goes a long way. Empathy is not enforced but taught and reinforced by a parent or parents who care about other people's kids as well as their own. I practiced kindness to the odd smelling/looking/sounding kids in my high school -and it wasn't because my folks were forced to teach me empathy.

I have no idea how forced empathy is even supposed to work but I DO know what has worked when love for others and self respect is taught and demanded in the household to begin with.

Kindness to others. Self respect. Being able to defend oneself. > Force.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Well, yea. No child of mine will go through the public school system. But that doesn't change that many kids are the subject of severe bullying at public schools.

Some kids are the subject of severe bullying. Far less of an epidemic than it is made out to be.

Most everyone is picked on at some point or another though.

I'd imagine times haven't changed that much.

 

[BAllen]

Oh, yeah. More laws. That always works..............

 

[catfeathers]

My biggest bullies were teachers, one in fifth grade and one in tenth. The fifth grade one was the worst, I had other kids asking me what I did to make that woman hate me so much. Other kids that tried to be bullies weren't much of a problem because I'd fight back.

It's no wonder I want to adopt some more kids to homeschool!