Common Core teaching thug life

[Zippyjuan]

Excellent point. Country music criminals are seen as rebels, outlaws- cool people fighting oppression. Rap criminals are seen as criminals against society. Both engaging in the same sorts of behavior.

 

[tod evans]

Excellent point. Country music criminals are seen as rebels, outlaws- cool people fighting oppression. Rap criminals are seen as criminals against society. Both engaging in the same sorts of behavior.

I've missed the country music songs promoting criminal behavior in bastardized English that this federal program is pushing.

Do you have an example?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

I've missed the country music songs promoting criminal behavior in bastardized English that this federal program is pushing.

Do you have an example?

Declaration of Independence?

 

[Zippyjuan]

I've missed the country music songs promoting criminal behavior in bastardized English that this federal program is pushing.

Do you have an example?

No I don't because I haven't examined the entire ciriculum.
How much are they pushing evil hip hop music? According to the OP, one question on one worksheet in an entire school year. That is pushing it?

 

[tod evans]

I can't edit/type as fast as you Zippy..

I haven't examined the curriculum either, I have read some of the "lyrics" posted in this thread and I haven't once used the term "evil"..

What I have said is if you want to teach your kid rap in school then have at it, my kid won't be studying or mimicking rap while living under my roof.

There are differing demographics in the US, mine doesn't fit where you live, obviously, and rap doesn't fit out here.

That's not a problem for me, I don't want to push my agenda on your child.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I don't listen to rap or coutry music. I just don't see the claim that the education system is somehow promoting hip hop culture via a single question on one paper in an entire school year. I don't get what the fuss is about. The uproar is actually in the end promoting it even more than the course is.

In the second worksheet students had to find the common theme "twist" from words like "tornado," the 50's dance move and a rapper named "twista." The worksheet also references his song "Po-Pimp."

It doesn't list any lyrics but just mentions the title of the song. Here is what all of the fuss is about- different uses of the word "Twister":

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...-taught-about-pimps-and-mobstaz-in-louisiana/

 

[tod evans]

I don't listen to rap or coutry music. I just don't see the claim that the education system is somehow promoting hip hop culture via a single question on one paper in an entire school year. I don't get what the fuss is about. The uproar is actually in the end promoting it even more than the course is.

Way I read the article the "single question" was predicated by "studying" the song/rhyme rap.

I don't listen to rap or country either..

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

I've missed the country music songs promoting criminal behavior in bastardized English that this federal program is pushing.

Do you have an example?

From: http://commoncore.org/maps/documents/Art_in_the_Maps.pdf

Oil painting promoting a "midnight ride" calling for people to shoot police:

Painting promoting thug-lifers led by George Washington on their way to shoot police:

Shakespeare play promoting murder and political assassinations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet

Michelangelo's pornography:

(warning: explicit content) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michelangelos_David.jpg

Promotion of stealing and smoking a pipe all night long:

London Bridge is falling down,
Falling down, falling down.
London Bridge is falling down,
My fair lady....

Silver and gold will be stolen away,
Stolen away, stolen away,
Silver and gold will be stolen away,
My fair lady....

Give him a pipe to smoke all night,
Smoke all night, smoke all night,
Give him a pipe to smoke all night,
My fair lady.

Promotion of getting "handy" with the girls:

Yankee Doodle went to town
A-riding on a pony,
Stuck a feather in his cap
And called it macaroni'.

Yankee Doodle keep it up,
Yankee Doodle dandy,
Mind the music and the step,
And with the girls be handy.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Way I read the article the "single question" was predicated by "studying" the song/rhyme rap.

I don't listen to rap or country either..

I can understand that. It was portrayed in that way by some of the reactions to it. I posted a picture of the actual worksheet above so people can see what it is really about.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Zippy, there are a number of threads about Common Core on this site. I recommend you read them. This UN-education program is absolutely horrid.

 

[tod evans]

Let me repeat myself..

If you want to teach your kids that intercity behavior, language and mannerisms are proper behavior then do so.

Don't try and teach my kid that shit, I won't have it.

Your quotes/links portray some of my childs ancestors, I don't have a problem portraying them as such, if you don't want to teach your child about my ancestors that's fine with me, don't do it...

If you want to teach your children about my ancestors then do it..

Right now my 9 y/o and I are going over our genealogy in the 15th century and there were plenty of scurrilous individuals who left their mark...

I don't want to teach your child my families genealogy or cultural practices, don't try to teach my child yours.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Maybe Chubby Checker should have been left off the "uses of the word Twist" as well (actually his name isn't mentioned but it does describe how to do the "Twist"- let's rotate those hips now!). He played that darn Rock and Roll music. Like the worksheet says,

"sometimes people dance to meet boyfriends or girlfriends" (which to me was more odd for fourth graders than the next part).

Here is the entire "questionable" part:

Carl Terrell Mitchel, better known by his stage name "Twista", was born in 1972. Ninteen years later, his album "Running off at Da Mouth" debued. In 1977, after appearing on Do or Die's hit "Po Pimp", Twista was signed to Atlantic Records. Under that label he released "Adrenaline Rush" and formed the group Speedknot Mobstarz in 1998. His 2000 album "Kamikazi" went to number one in the Billboard Top 200 album chart.

Is that teaching "intercity behavior, language, and mannerisms" and promoting it as "proper behavior"?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Let me repeat myself..

If you want to teach your kids that intercity behavior, language and mannerisms are proper behavior then do so.

Don't try and teach my kid that shit, I won't have it.

Your quotes/links portray some of my childs ancestors, I don't have a problem portraying them as such, if you don't want to teach your child about my ancestors that's fine with me, don't do it...

If you want to teach your children about my ancestors then do it..

Right now my 9 y/o and I are going over our genealogy in the 15th century and there were plenty of scurrilous individuals who left their mark...

I don't want to teach your child my families genealogy or cultural practices, don't try to teach my child yours.

No argument from me about that. If gangster rap has weakened the demand for the government program that's shoving your ancestors' debauchery down the throats of inner-city students, that weakening of demand is progress I think everyone here can appreciate.

Fathers of this country never cared for me
They kept my ancestors shackled up in slavery
And Uncle Sam never did a damn thing for me
Except lie about the facts in my history
So now I'm sitting hear mad cause I'm unemployed
But the government's glad cause they enjoy it
When my people are down so they can screw us around
Time to change the government now. Panther power.

Maybe they will put his face on the national dollar bill.

 

[RockEnds]

I don't listen to rap or coutry music. I just don't see the claim that the education system is somehow promoting hip hop culture via a single question on one paper in an entire school year. I don't get what the fuss is about. The uproar is actually in the end promoting it even more than the course is.



It doesn't list any lyrics but just mentions the title of the song. Here is what all of the fuss is about- different uses of the word "Twister":

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...-taught-about-pimps-and-mobstaz-in-louisiana/

I was also under the impression that the song was being played and promoted. That's a train wreck of a lesson, but at least they're not actually teaching oral sex to 9-year-olds. I know they're trying to integrate subjects with Common Core, but what is the point of this lesson other than possibly promoting ADD? How quickly can a student jump from one bit of trivia to the next without any substance being presented? I'm not sure this lesson isn't actually more destructive than just teaching the song.

I think I would entitle this, "How to Change the Subject from Science to Shaking yer Butt for the Opposite Sex in Two Minutes or Less."




Back to the conversation, Down with Morality! Everyone knows moral nihilism is a superior philosophy! Wait, wat?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Down with Morality! Everyone knows moral nihilism is a superior philosophy! Wait, wat?

Who said anything about amorality or nihilism? Are you referring to my observation that you misjudged what's "common" and "instinctive"?

There's a line, and people instinctively understand where it is drawn.... The new morality is to intimidate and demean people who have common morality.

Apparently you misjudged what's "common" and "instinctive"?

Or my list of offenses committed by some cultural conservatives?

• imprisoning people for alcohol;
• imprisoning people for drugs;
• imprisoning people for sodomy;
• imprisoning people for pimping;
• imprisoning people for hoeing;
• imprisoning people for "obscene" speech; and
• vilifying women for sexual promiscuity.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

• imprisoning people for alcohol;
• imprisoning people for drugs;
• imprisoning people for sodomy;
• imprisoning people for pimping;
• imprisoning people for hoeing;
• imprisoning people for "obscene" speech; and
• vilifying women for sexual promiscuity.

Evangelicals don't get portrayed nicely by the liberal media, but at least they don't get imprisoned.

Oh yes they do. Ask the families who have been SWAT teamed over guns they own, homeschooling, the pastors worldwide who have been jailed for teaching the biblical doctrine against homosexuality, etc, or litigated/blacklisted over alleged 'hate speech' for doing so, etc. Drop the other shoe, the list of things cultural conservatives get imprisoned, sued, bankrupted, etc for is longer than the list above. The cultural left choose to use the courts, government policies and regulations to impose their schema on everybody else, compared to the more open approach of direct legislation or referendum used by the right, but that doesn't mean they are any less coercive. Since the liberal regs and case law vastly exceeds the number of laws, I'd say the left is more coercive.

And there is a legitimate disagreement (between secular and theistic libertarians) as to whether sexual immorality is non-violent/consensual. God is personally victimized by sin regardless of whether the human parties involved view their behavior that way, so calling the acts 'consentual' defacto imposes a structural atheism into the law. Whether you agree with such a approach to the law or not, that does not make the current state of affairs more libertarian or pro-liberty. By most every measure, we were vastly freer circa the late 1700's (when cultural conservatism was the clear bias of the law) than we are now.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

families who have been SWAT teamed over guns they own

This affects thug-lifers too, not just cultural conservatives.

homeschooling, the pastors worldwide who have been jailed for teaching the biblical doctrine against homosexuality, etc,

I encountered none during my five years in jail in southern Arizona and Massachusetts, and 95% were there for drugs. The stats would vary jurisdictionally, but nationally I think roughly 50% imprisoned are for drugs. Anyway, I do appreciate your point that evangelicals are not immune.

there is a legitimate disagreement (between secular and theistic libertarians) as to whether sexual immorality is non-violent/consensual. God is personally victimized by sin regardless of whether the human parties involved view their behavior that way, so calling the acts 'consentual' defacto imposes a structural atheism into the law.

"Theistic libertarianism", as you describe it, would give the God individual a political tyranny over other individuals. He alone would be free to dictate a list of arbitrarily prohibited beliefs and acts. If that's a "legitimate" conception of "libertarianism", then a scheme where I was tyrannical dictator might be "legitimate" similarly. If I tried to impose such a scheme, I would expect problems from those opposed to tyranny.

 

[Ender]

Oh yes they do. Ask the families who have been SWAT teamed over guns they own, homeschooling, the pastors worldwide who have been jailed for teaching the biblical doctrine against homosexuality, etc, or litigated/blacklisted over alleged 'hate speech' for doing so, etc. Drop the other shoe, the list of things cultural conservatives get imprisoned, sued, bankrupted, etc for is longer than the list above. The cultural left choose to use the courts, government policies and regulations to impose their schema on everybody else, compared to the more open approach of direct legislation or referendum used by the right, but that doesn't mean they are any less coercive. Since the liberal regs and case law vastly exceeds the number of laws, I'd say the left is more coercive.

And there is a legitimate disagreement (between secular and theistic libertarians) as to whether sexual immorality is non-violent/consensual. God is personally victimized by sin regardless of whether the human parties involved view their behavior that way, so calling the acts 'consentual' defacto imposes a structural atheism into the law. Whether you agree with such a approach to the law or not, that does not make the current state of affairs more libertarian or pro-liberty. By most every measure, we were vastly freer circa the late 1700's (when cultural conservatism was the clear bias of the law) than we are now.

God is NOT personally victimized by sin. That's baloney.

We are here with agency and free will to discover things ourselves and come to our own conclusions. We are no more free under tyrannical religious conservatism as we are under tyrannical atheistic liberalism.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I agree, this Common Core crap has got to go....

I agree also. Consumers of education should be free to consume whatever education they choose, regardless of whether others agree with them or not. Agreed?

 

[Ender]

I agree also. Consumers of education should be free to consume whatever education they choose, regardless of whether others agree with them or not. Agreed?

Yep.