Common Core teaching thug life

[RockEnds]

Well, look what just came in the mail.

My child recently visited an allergist. I just received this:

Preventative Medicine
Immunizations:
Influenza - Have you had a flu shot since the most recent September 1? No Parent Refuses

Parent laughed out loud at the suggestion, actually. But there were a series of questions that included school performance. I've raised kids for the past 29 years. This is the first I've ever received something like this in the mail after a doctor visit.

Welcome to the brave, new world. Let the games begin.

http://www.dataqualitycampaign.org/your-states-progress/10-state-actions?action=one

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

where I take issue is when you or anyone else tries to teach my child that language and behavior such as has been depicted in this thread is normal or acceptable in a public setting such as a school.

Were you to bring a child raised in the manners described to the local park to play with the other kids he/she would undoubtedly be frog-marched to you by an irate parent. If you found his/her behavior acceptable and told the irate parent as much there's a good chance you'd be put in your place...

I appreciate the lengths you are going to respect people's individuality in this thread's context; but if you are right about what's "normal" and "acceptable" behavior, I would like to see you frog-march a child in a park in Compton.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

There's a line, and people instinctively understand where it is drawn.... The new morality is to intimidate and demean people who have common morality.

Apparently you misjudged what's "common" and "instinctive"? Cultural conservatives wrote the book on intimidating and demeaning dissenters; now that cultural conservatism is growing less common, tyranny of the majority isn't looking so good for cultural conservatives anymore.

our forefathers who were also terrorists.

Interesting.

 

[tod evans]

I appreciate the lengths you are going to respect people's individuality in this thread's context; but if you are right about what's "normal" and "acceptable" behavior, I would like to see you frog-march a child in a park in Compton.

My child won't be in a park in Compton..(wherever that is?)

And it's not me you'd need to worry about if your child misbehaves out here in the sticks, it's the mothers who'll call your bluff.

 

[Natural Citizen]

And it's not me you'd need to worry about if your child misbehaves out here in the sticks, it's the mothers who'll call your bluff.

Heh. Funny thing about life in the sticks. Few get to appreciate this.

 

[RockEnds]

Interesting.

Yes, it is interesting that the feds have taken that position. Did you read the link back a few posts from the military training? Here's an article on the subject:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...ding-fathers-conservatives-as-extremists.html

But reading the manual is more enlightening.

Of course, it's not really new. YouTubes of federal agents promoting this line of thought is not new.



You certainly seem to shine to the idea.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Apparently you misjudged what's "common" and "instinctive"? Cultural conservatives wrote the book on intimidating and demeaning dissenters; now that cultural conservatism is growing less common, tyranny of the majority isn't looking so good for cultural conservatives anymore.

I reject the wholesale idea that that cultural conservatives "wrote the book on intimidating and demeaning dissenters," or that it was premised on tyranny or majoritarianism. You don't have to agree with the majprity on something to at least be respectful towards the large fragment of the population who holds to it. I am not a Muslim, but respect one fourth of the world's population that is. The consistent approach of the left, by contrast, has been to disrespect and marginalize any expression of the cultural right. E.g., when's the last time you saw an evangelical presented as a positive major character on prime time TV?

It is the cultural left who has been distinctive in being dismissive towards historic moral views held by most Americans, most non-Americans, and by most people through history. They have instead been intent on imposing their views on everybody else through law and government policy, to an extent not reproduced by the right, and irrespective as to whether they are the numerical majority or not. At the very least, in the ongoing current cultural war, we are supposed to not notice the authoritarian impulses of the cultural left, only those of the right.

 

[RockEnds]

Apparently you misjudged what's "common" and "instinctive"? Cultural conservatives wrote the book on intimidating and demeaning dissenters; now that cultural conservatism is growing less common, tyranny of the majority isn't looking so good for cultural conservatives anymore.

So you want to fight tyranny with...tyranny?

 

[LibertyEagle]

From Lew Rockwell on Facebook. He was talking about Ron's new book on homeschooling, but I thought it would be relevant to this thread.

"I have started reading Ron Paul's new book on the School Revolution and am really enjoying it. Anyone who is not in a position to homeschool children should not be put off buying and reading this book. You will love it no matter your age or interest in homeschooling. It is clear, concise, and full of interesting anecdotes about Dr. Paul’s own experiences growing up in the educational system of the day.

What I like so much thus far is what is missing in many libertarian and pro-liberty arguments: a solid treatment of the importance of personal responsibility as a key component of the struggle for personal liberty. Any self-ordering society must in fact be a moral society, where passions and preferences are tempered by a keen eye on consequence and the non-aggression principle.

The state seeks to program children to be obedient drones and it resents and outlaws challenges. But, as Dr. Paul points out early in the book, “there can be no revolution without a revolution in education.” It is the fundamental issue of our time."

 

[dannno]

From Lew Rockwell on Facebook. He was talking about Ron's new book on homeschooling, but I thought it would be relevant to this thread.

Do you believe that the point of hip hop is to convince everybody to be immoral?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Do you believe that the point of hip hop is to convince everybody to be immoral?

Do you think songs like Po-Pimp are teaching morality? That is one of the songs they are covering in this government indoctrination program.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

our forefathers who were also terrorists.

Interesting.

Yes, it is interesting that the feds have taken that position... YouTubes of federal agents promoting this line of thought is not new.

Do you disagree? When the Founders shot police, do you deny they were living the thug life?

You certainly seem to shine to the idea.

The idea that mass shootings against government employees is terrorism? I hadn't realized that was a controversial proposition. Please explain how it is not terrorism?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Do you think songs like Po-Pimp are teaching morality?

Do you think this is teaching any violation of the non-aggression principle:

Cause he's a pimp, he gotta be, full of that
M-O, N-E, but why?
Cause nigga be sportin nice cars and fancy clothes
Fresh jewels Girbaud flexin one five oh (chop chop)
Chop up that paper hoe, chop up that paper hoe
Watch where your lips go, caress my tip slow
To the tempo, instrumental
Real simple when you fuckin with a pimp doe....

Me and Do or Die dig drinkin love potion
The word that was never said
Twisted be givin women d*ck in the bed, until they sick in the head
And if I ever leave whoever dead
They ain't trickin the Feds or spittin game but it's chicken and bread
Kickin them legs in the air like a playa do
Then belittle in a day or two
After words I'ma slay a crew
Now that's some pimp type shit that B-Low and AK'll do
Wearing gray and blue

But if the head the bonk c'mon suck a nigga dick

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

I reject the wholesale idea that that cultural conservatives "wrote the book on intimidating and demeaning dissenters," or that it was premised on tyranny or majoritarianism. You don't have to agree with the majority on something to at least be respectful towards the large fragment of the population who holds to it. I am not a Muslim, but respect one fourth of the world's population that is. The consistent approach of the left, by contrast, has been to disrespect and marginalize any expression of the cultural right. E.g., when's the last time you saw an evangelical presented as a positive major character on prime time TV?

It is the cultural left who has been distinctive in being dismissive towards historic moral views held by most Americans, most non-Americans, and by most people through history. They have instead been intent on imposing their views on everybody else through law and government policy, to an extent not reproduced by the right, and irrespective as to whether they are the numerical majority or not. At the very least, in the ongoing current cultural war, we are supposed to not notice the authoritarian impulses of the cultural left, only those of the right.

• imprisoning people for alcohol;
• imprisoning people for drugs;
• imprisoning people for sodomy;
• imprisoning people for pimping;
• imprisoning people for hoeing;
• imprisoning people for "obscene" speech; and
• vilifying women for sexual promiscuity.

Evangelicals don't get portrayed nicely by the liberal media, but at least they don't get imprisoned.

 

[tod evans]

• imprisoning people for alcohol;
• imprisoning people for drugs;
• imprisoning people for sodomy;
• imprisoning people for pimping;
• imprisoning people for hoeing;
• imprisoning people for "obscene" speech; and
• vilifying women for sexual promiscuity.

Evangelicals don't get portrayed nicely by the liberal media, but at least they don't get imprisoned.

The Christians I know do not want people imprisoned for non-violent crimes, do you know of a specific group that does?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Do you think songs like Po-Pimp are teaching morality? That is one of the songs they are covering in this government indoctrination program.

Does listening to "immoral" music make you behave immorally? Elvis was once considered an immoral influence on youth. So were the Beatles. In his day, Mozart was considered immoral as well. Were they part of a government "indoctrination program"?

If a test asks a question about Communist Russia or China are they promoting communism among youth? (this entire thread comes from one question in one class which refered to a Rap artist- I am impressed the discussion of it has lasted this long).

Now if there was an entire course about it and promoting it as something to be emulated that would be a different story- but that is certainly not the case here.

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

The Christians I know do not want people imprisoned for non-violent crimes, do you know of a specific group that does?

Yes, the group that created those laws in the first place. I realize there are enlightened Christians who'd rather not imprison people over non-violent "crimes". The enlightened ones are the norm among Ron Paul supporters and RPF members, but unfortunately the exception among the general population.

 

[tod evans]

Yes, the group that created those laws in the first place. I realize there are enlightened Christians who'd rather not imprison people over non-violent "crimes". The enlightened ones are the norm among Ron Paul supporters and RPF members, but unfortunately the exception among the general population.

Isn't that akin to saying Ron Paul supporting rappers are different than the mainstream?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

this entire thread comes from one question in one class which refered to a Rap artist- I am impressed the discussion of it has lasted this long

Would there have been similar outcry if the lesson had referred to a country-music song about hard-drinking, gambling, womanizing, and run-ins with the law?

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

Isn't that akin to saying Ron Paul supporting rappers are different than the mainstream?

I don't understand your question.