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My son wanted to buy bitcoin when it was $2.00 per. I just couldn't wrap my head around it, but if you think about it... for $100.00 my son could have purchased 50 bitcoin .... At the high of 1,179 (roughly, can't remember the exact figure), his $100. investment would have yielded almost $60,000. So my bad... But that profit certainly couldn't be considered "silly". What was silly was my hesitation to invest $100.
 
My son wanted to buy bitcoin when it was $2.00 per. I just couldn't wrap my head around it, but if you think about it... for $100.00 my son could have purchased 50 bitcoin .... At the high of 1,179 (roughly, can't remember the exact figure), his $100. investment would have yielded almost $60,000. So my bad... But that profit certainly couldn't be considered "silly". What was silly was my hesitation to invest $100.

Smart kid you have there. Everybody has that initial "scam" thought cross their mind because it isn't physical. I did too once. But I didn't go around screaming the word "SCAM". Just like when I discovered Ron Paul. I thought some of the things he said sounded "crazy" at the time, but instead of voicing my uneducated opinion to the world, I decided to read more.
 
Each digital currency has it's own blockchain like Litecoin, for example. The problem is there will be 100s of bitcoin/litecoin-like currencies around and that would be like a digit currency hyperinflation.

You basically just repeated what you said before. There can only be hyperinflation if they share the same blockchain. This is one of the benefits of digital currencies, they have fungibility. They exist in and of themselves and cannot be confused for something else. If you say there is going to be alt currency hyperinflation, that just shows how ignorant you are. If they all continue to be worth less than ten cents each, then how is that hyperinflating the value of anything? There are always multiple copycats of any great invention, and this is no different, but that doesn't mean they will all be successful in any meaningful way.

By the way, there are already well over 100 cryptocurrencies. So far, no hyperinflation. The vast majority of them are junk.
 
You basically just repeated what you said before. There can only be hyperinflation if they share the same blockchain. This is one of the benefits of digital currencies, they have fungibility. They exist in and of themselves and cannot be confused for something else. If you say there is going to be alt currency hyperinflation, that just shows how ignorant you are. If they all continue to be worth less than ten cents each, then how is that hyperinflating the value of anything? There are always multiple copycats of any great invention, and this is no different, but that doesn't mean they will all be successful in any meaningful way.

By the way, there are already well over 100 cryptocurrencies. So far, no hyperinflation. The vast majority of them are junk.

It'll be fun when there's 500 bitcoin-like clone currencies all just as valid as bitcoin. You'll be eating your words.
 
You basically just repeated what you said before. There can only be hyperinflation if they share the same blockchain. This is one of the benefits of digital currencies, they have fungibility. They exist in and of themselves and cannot be confused for something else. If you say there is going to be alt currency hyperinflation, that just shows how ignorant you are. If they all continue to be worth less than ten cents each, then how is that hyperinflating the value of anything? There are always multiple copycats of any great invention, and this is no different, but that doesn't mean they will all be successful in any meaningful way.

By the way, there are already well over 100 cryptocurrencies. So far, no hyperinflation. The vast majority of them are junk.

just like to point out that BTC was trading under $20 at the beginning of the year. Probably not a consequence of alt coins, but last check BTC was trading over 700. That is some serious price inflation right there.

I completely understand the concern of alt-coin inflation. Look at total market cap in USD. according to the website in this link its something like 12 billion. BTC is about 2/3 of that.

I'd also like to point out that the infrastructure investment being made isn't necessarily BTC exclusive. BTC is carving the path for adoption, but there is nothing inherent in BTC that makes it the "choice" crypto for the market to use. Sure it is the most popular right now in terms of adoption. That gives it a head start, no doubt. However, BTC is quickly leaving behind the possibility of core updates due to the likelihood that a core update will disrupt everything else being built around it.

So you'll get a series of patches for BTC while the alts have the ability to fork and tweak and basically continue the beta test without disrupting the market. IOW, it the more BTC is adopted, the less possibility of core innovations and improvements. This leaves a huge gaping hole in the over all stability of using just ONE version of crypto-currency.

crypto-currency isn't even close to refined. That is the value of the alts. BTC built the foundation, but no one lives on a slab of concrete. And no one builds on a foundation that has known cracks. It was impossible to know the cracks in the BTC foundation because no one knew what to look for. It was total beta mode, capable of handling simple things like hiding money from the law, or black market operations, or a way to escape fiat currency hegemony.

There will be lots and lots of layers stacked onto the BTC protocol to attempt to patch the cracks in the foundation. The more layers that are stacked, the weaker the core. I think that is just an engineering concept that needs to be addressed. The core I don't think was designed to handle security. The core simply offloads security on to the end user. That is fine and all, but the core offers no support to the end user to perform security tasks such as the ability to claim ownership of the string of 1's and 0's that represent the individual's money.

Think about it. Everything is in the block chain. You cannot separate your money from the block chain. You cannot therefor own your money. All you can do is control ACCESS to a piece of the block chain. Even your wallet that you created on your local that you store in "cold storage" with your elaborate "security" measures, is merely a control mechanism that grants you access to manipulate the block chain. In and of itself, that wallet is completely worthless. You are invariably connected to block chain, which is owned by no one.

That is not necessarily a bad thing, as it's better than being invariably connected to the fed and fiat, but ultimately the realization must come that just like with your dollars are debt instruments where ownership becomes meaningless due to the debasement of the central monetary authority, your BTC's are ACCESS instruments where ownership becomes meaningless due to concept of ownership being non existent in the disconnected from human identity core. I am not sure what to call that yet, it's a feature of the software, anonymity. Ownership as a concept in my mind requires connection to human identity. It is not enough to say "someone owns it". The question must be answered, "who owns it".

I have already shown how having access does not prove ownership. Someone cannot not steal or find the keys to my house and then say that because they have access, they now have ownership. Having the keys to my house does go a long way into giving me the benefit of the doubt that I own the house, but ultimately any challenge in ownership involves identification. BTC at it's core and by design run's away from human identity. This needs to be patched in my view otherwise owning access to the ability to manipulate the block chain is quite meaningless since what we are really concerned about with money is who has a legitimate right on either side of a transaction to claim the real property that the transaction represents.
 
How come ripple has such a low volume? Lowest volume to market cap ratio of all currencies listed. About a 100 time smallerbratio than that of bitcoin and litecoin.
 
It'll be fun when there's 500 bitcoin-like clone currencies all just as valid as bitcoin. You'll be eating your words.

Oh, so now the number is 500, not just hundreds? There are new ones created every day and they still don't seem to take anything away from BTC. Last time I checked, they're not "just as valid" because they don't have the infrastructure that BTC does. That is the most important part, and right now, it is pretty much impossible for any of them to outperform BTC in that regard. So no, I don't think I'll be eating my words just yet.

I really don't think you understand what makes a crypto-currency "valid". Even if something has the exact same features as BTC, that doesn't mean it's just as valid. They're all basically just tweaks of BTC except they have their own blockchain. If a hundred new crypto-currencies debuted right now at a thousandth of a cent, nobody would even notice because they're so insignificant that nobody's paying attention to them. So no, the number of altcoins itself has no effect on BTC.
 
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just like to point out that BTC was trading under $20 at the beginning of the year. Probably not a consequence of alt coins, but last check BTC was trading over 700. That is some serious price inflation right there.

I completely understand the concern of alt-coin inflation. Look at total market cap in USD. according to the website in this link its something like 12 billion. BTC is about 2/3 of that.

I'd also like to point out that the infrastructure investment being made isn't necessarily BTC exclusive. BTC is carving the path for adoption, but there is nothing inherent in BTC that makes it the "choice" crypto for the market to use. Sure it is the most popular right now in terms of adoption. That gives it a head start, no doubt. However, BTC is quickly leaving behind the possibility of core updates due to the likelihood that a core update will disrupt everything else being built around it.

So you'll get a series of patches for BTC while the alts have the ability to fork and tweak and basically continue the beta test without disrupting the market. IOW, it the more BTC is adopted, the less possibility of core innovations and improvements. This leaves a huge gaping hole in the over all stability of using just ONE version of crypto-currency.

crypto-currency isn't even close to refined. That is the value of the alts. BTC built the foundation, but no one lives on a slab of concrete. And no one builds on a foundation that has known cracks. It was impossible to know the cracks in the BTC foundation because no one knew what to look for. It was total beta mode, capable of handling simple things like hiding money from the law, or black market operations, or a way to escape fiat currency hegemony.

There will be lots and lots of layers stacked onto the BTC protocol to attempt to patch the cracks in the foundation. The more layers that are stacked, the weaker the core. I think that is just an engineering concept that needs to be addressed. The core I don't think was designed to handle security. The core simply offloads security on to the end user. That is fine and all, but the core offers no support to the end user to perform security tasks such as the ability to claim ownership of the string of 1's and 0's that represent the individual's money.

Think about it. Everything is in the block chain. You cannot separate your money from the block chain. You cannot therefor own your money. All you can do is control ACCESS to a piece of the block chain. Even your wallet that you created on your local that you store in "cold storage" with your elaborate "security" measures, is merely a control mechanism that grants you access to manipulate the block chain. In and of itself, that wallet is completely worthless. You are invariably connected to block chain, which is owned by no one.

That is not necessarily a bad thing, as it's better than being invariably connected to the fed and fiat, but ultimately the realization must come that just like with your dollars are debt instruments where ownership becomes meaningless due to the debasement of the central monetary authority, your BTC's are ACCESS instruments where ownership becomes meaningless due to concept of ownership being non existent in the disconnected from human identity core. I am not sure what to call that yet, it's a feature of the software, anonymity. Ownership as a concept in my mind requires connection to human identity. It is not enough to say "someone owns it". The question must be answered, "who owns it".

I have already shown how having access does not prove ownership. Someone cannot not steal or find the keys to my house and then say that because they have access, they now have ownership. Having the keys to my house does go a long way into giving me the benefit of the doubt that I own the house, but ultimately any challenge in ownership involves identification. BTC at it's core and by design run's away from human identity. This needs to be patched in my view otherwise owning access to the ability to manipulate the block chain is quite meaningless since what we are really concerned about with money is who has a legitimate right on either side of a transaction to claim the real property that the transaction represents.

I think he was talking about currency inflation, not price inflation. Two different things.

If the dollar inflates, that doesn't mean the price of the dollar has gone up.
 
Yeah I was going to say that what is going on is more like hyper-deflation. Looking at how things are priced in BTC is what matters.

When Augmented Reality (AR) and better motion tracking is implemented into cheaper future models of things like Google Glass, apps that overlay a BTC price tag on top of USD price tags in the store will likely emerge at some point. The long-term price deflation can be seen first-hand then.
 
Every week there's a new cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

#1 A lot of cryptos failed in 2011 & 2012...GeistGeld & Solidcoin come to mind. Presence probably has the list. Crypto's are being delisted from exchanges all the time.

#2 The economics of some of these alts are very retarded. I am most concerned about Peercoin and any "proof of stake" system instead of "proof of work". It is very mafia/federal reserve driven in mentality if you read into it closer. I think a lot of people in Peercoin will get burned if they don't time their exit correctly.

#3 There are literally quadrillions upon quadrillions of central bank currencies flowing around in our global system. Most people can't wrap their head around the numbers. A billion is 1000x greater than 1m. A trillion is 1m times greater than 1m. 1 Quadrillion is 1m times greater than 1 billion and 1000x greater than 1 Trillion.

The reality is that there is enough fiat out there to escape from to probably support every single retarded currency in this list above, and then some. In the end it could consolidate down to 1-10 major ones after the alts eat each other alive.

Getting to the current market cap that Bitcoin has is no easy feat. It took damn near 5 years to get there. The rest are getting a price inflated boost right now because trading in and out with BTC is the preferred way (in some cases the only way) to play the others.
 
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Every week there's a new cryptocurrency just like Bitcoin so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Yeah, very interesting, but this "alt currency hyperinflation" stuff is completely unfounded and represents the ignorance of the person spreading that utter garbage.
 
Yeah, very interesting, but this "alt currency hyperinflation" stuff is completely unfounded and represents the ignorance of the person spreading that utter garbage.

Agreed. I can't rep you any more than I already have. :(

I think it is amusing that people are concerned "HoboNickels" will dethrone Bitcoin. Gimme a break...lol
 
Anybody care to explain this?
Ripple is entirely 100% pre-mined and somehow, not fully explained, they'll give 60+% of the ripples away. So why would I want to use ripples when I don't know how or when there could be a dump of ripples into the wild so to speak?

There is also one point of failure currently. Yes they say there will be others allowed in the future. As it is ripple is no more than Flooz at the moment. (Remember that from the dotcom days?)
 
Ripple is entirely 100% pre-mined and somehow, not fully explained, they'll give 60+% of the ripples away. So why would I want to use ripples when I don't know how or when there could be a dump of ripples into the wild so to speak?

Not anymore.

Ripple.com will pay you for using the World Community Grid.

World Community Grid Welcomes Ripple Labs as a Partner
https://ripple.com/blog/world-community-grid-welcomes-ripple-labs-as-a-partner/

We recently announced Computing for Good – a global XRP giveaway that rewards donating computing power to World Community Grid. The program pools computing power and makes it available to scientific researchers, who are working to solve big problems in the world.

We’re very excited to become an official World Community Grid partner today! The World Community Grid team has been very supportive of Computing for Good and what the Ripple Labs team has contributed to the platform. Our more than 8,600 team members have contributed more than 1,500 years of run time to help advance scientific research. Thank you to our outstanding team!
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Full Story:
https://ripple.com/blog/world-community-grid-welcomes-ripple-labs-as-a-partner/
 
Not anymore.

Ripple.com will pay you for using the World Community Grid.

World Community Grid Welcomes Ripple Labs as a Partner
https://ripple.com/blog/world-community-grid-welcomes-ripple-labs-as-a-partner/

We recently announced Computing for Good – a global XRP giveaway that rewards donating computing power to World Community Grid. The program pools computing power and makes it available to scientific researchers, who are working to solve big problems in the world.

We’re very excited to become an official World Community Grid partner today! The World Community Grid team has been very supportive of Computing for Good and what the Ripple Labs team has contributed to the platform. Our more than 8,600 team members have contributed more than 1,500 years of run time to help advance scientific research. Thank you to our outstanding team!
...

Full Story:
https://ripple.com/blog/world-community-grid-welcomes-ripple-labs-as-a-partner/

el oh el
 
Ripple partnering with the World Community Grid seems like a pretty cool concept to me. What's so funny about it?

Ripple can do what it wants. It is manipulating the supply and price so it can appear as tethered to the USD. fatjohn has already exposed this. Everybody who bought in early has seen they need more and more XRP's to meet parity with 1 BTC.

I want volatility. It means we're doing something right. It exposes the central banking scam and how out of whack Government currencies actually are.

Ripple is not competing with Bitcoin. Ripple is more designed to compete with Dwolla & okpay than it is meant to compete with Bitcoin. If Ripple takes off, they'll have to keep increasing the supply to keep it tethered to our USD funny money per the original promise. Eventually people will figure this out.

Ripple just borrowed the payment processing protocol. Litecoin is still #2.

FrankRep, I'm surprised you have been around since 2007. Only liberals like Krugman should be opposed to what Bitcoin is trying to accomplish.
 
FrankRep, I'm surprised you have been around since 2007. Only liberals like Krugman should be opposed to what Bitcoin is trying to accomplish.

I support Bitcoin, but I have concerns from time to time. If anything, it's a fun and interesting concept.
 
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