CNN’s Angela Rye: Statues of Washington, Jefferson and Lee ‘All Need to Come Down’

[LibertyEagle]

So...why do we (libertarians) care (about them)?

Hey rev. Those advocating for world government, such as yourself, do not fit in the libertarian slot.

 

[Mordan]

All I care about is the truth. These statues mean very little to me. Now that the Russian lies have fizzled, deep state is playing their next card, the racist one. I have predicted for over 10 years now that race war will be the undoing of the United States. White people for too long didn't think race was the United State's biggest problem. Black people have always thought it was the biggest problem. So instead of dialogue, empty platitudes were offered.

It is too hard for white people not to see that defending confederate statues is white arrogance. It's just a statue, to a bunch of guys thought fought and died to keep black people as slaves. They were idiots then, they are idiots now. Abolitionists were the righteous, and the righteous were with the union. Every confederate statue should be replaced with statues of John Brown, Harriet Tubman, and all the other abolitionist unknown union soldiers who died for the cause of freeing the slaves. (and yes, I mean the abolitionists who joined the union army, for the sake of abolition), as well as jayhawks and others. They were the ones who truly risked their lives for the righteous cause, which was ending slavery. Every one of these people, whose lives were ended by the musket ball or cannon of a confederate are an injustice.

I have no pity for any confederate soldier. At best they should have stayed out of the war.
And then, after the Union was done forcing (muh states rights!) the south to treat black people like people, and lo and behold, some great black politicians came from the south, (and the race issue could have been solved then, in the 1870's) when it was under Union rule... ....once the Union gave the southern states their rights back, what did they do? Put down the black man... ...again.

But Americans are still too blind. They will defend these statues and that confederate flag, like they don't know what it represents to the "winners", who became the losers after the civil war losers got their "states rights" back.

So the agitation for divide and conquer has found its perfect home, in the destruction of confederate statues.
This is how the deep state did in Ukraine as well. They had their neo-nazis go after Ukrainian soviet statues, and tear them down. This made the establishment/russian sympathizers/eastern ukrainians defend soviet statues, and therefore forced them to defend communism, which nobody in Ukraine really wanted to do, since Ukraine had a bad time with communism. Now the pro-russians are russian agents, and communists opposed to free trade with Europe... viola, nationalist Euro-maidan.

Same tactic being used here, oldest tactic in the book. Divide and conquer. By forcing white people and a smattering of others to defend confederate statues, they are forcing them to defend white racism. It is a losing proposition.

However....

I used to marvel at the genius of Putin. I used to wish the US had a leader as politically shrewd as he is.

Now we have Donald J. Trump. He is very different from Putin. Putin is methodical and political, trained in KGB political magic. Trump is evolved in the cauldron of New York back-knifing. By now, how Trump fights is pure instinct. If they ever even corner him, they will find him ten times more dangerous than he is now. I don't think they ever will corner him though. He is that good... ...and he has an army of fervent volunteers behind him.

And Trump does one thing by nature, and that is win. He knows the game being played right now. He will counter, and it will be a slow poison drip that the left will not even know they are infected with until it is too late. The beauty of this poison, is while the left focuses on the new found strength in its voice, the poison is in their knees. They will feel more and more bold in their voice, until their knees suddenly give, and they realize: they can't cash the checks their mouths were writing. They will be on the ground begging for their literal lives, and nobody likes beggars.

We have their playbook. And in usual deep state arrogance, they think they don't need to be sneaky, because they have the best technology. Time and time again, they have ignored reality. This will be the last time.




Says you. *yawn*



Yes, mmm hmmm. I see, and maybe a better use of negative space. And I would have chosen fuscia or perriwinkle. Also, I think it would be best to have trumps head in the lower right qudrant blowing left, since Americans see left as backwards. Perhaps have a poem from Mayou Angelo beneath. Make the waters stormier too. And mayeb some clouds in the sky. Instead of chalk, they should.....

...seriously, nobody cares what you think.

always enjoy reading you. +1

 

[Madison320]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-an...gton-jefferson-and-lee-all-need-to-come-down/
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...alls-washington-jefferson-monuments-come-down

I'll make Angela Rye a deal. We take down her symbols of historical slavery but at the same type we eliminate forms of actual current slavery. For example the income tax and discrimination laws.

 

[Madison320]

Very apt, except I might have made Trump a bellows, with the MIC, Wall Street, the DNC, etc, working him.

No it's not. I don't like Trump but he doesn't appear to be a racist.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't like Robert E. Lee. I am indifferent about whether he has a statue up. He means nothing to me. That isn't the issue. The issue is this is nothing burger. The press didn't give this kind of coverage to Obama who didn't condemn Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street. 10 police officers have been shot by Black Lives Matter goons. Only 1 person was killed by a white supremacist. Ferguson, Milwaukee, and Charlotte had extensive damage done by Black Lives Matter rioters, who rioted over nothing. All three of those shootings were legitimate situations for officers to use lethal force. The press gave the assassination attempt on Steve Scalise and Republican Congressmen by a Bernie goon only a few days of extensive coverage and it was nowhere near to the extent of this. And there was almost no talk of the violent left, which is multiples larger than the violent right.

The left is made up of violent animals. These white supremacists are a much smaller fraction of the right. I hear endlessly about Colin Kaepernick. The guy wore a shirt praising Fidel Castro. The press acts like you are racist if you don't support a Communist sympathizer. A white guy in a Hitler shirt would rightly never play again and no one would question in it.

Yes, the BLM types are monstrous.

My point was that their twins opponents in the brown shirts are equally so, and any libertarian sympathy for them is badly misplaced.

Racism, like any form of ignorance is a disease that can effect anybody. We should not let the left and right win with the us and them narratives. We should defend the first amendment the way we defend the second amendment, you can take it from my cold dead hands.

Neither of the socialist gangs involved in this escalating street fight give a damn about free speech.

...and there is no reason for any libertarian to be defending/cheering/giving a damn about either of them.

No it's not. I don't like Trump but he doesn't appear to be a racist.

The cartoon doesn't show Trump being a racist, it shows him fueling racist politics, and is therefore most apt.

Hey rev. Those advocating for world government, such as yourself, do not fit in the libertarian slot.

View attachment 5833

But, for the liberal, the world does not end at the borders of the state. In his eyes, whatever significance national boundaries have is only incidental and subordinate. His political thinking encompasses the whole of mankind. The starting-point of his entire political philosophy is the conviction that the division of labor is international and not merely national. He realizes from the very first that it is not sufficient to establish peace with in each country, that it is much more important that all nations live at peace with one another. The liberal therefore demands that the political organization of society be extended until it reaches its culmination in a world state that unites all nations on an equal basis. For this reason he sees the law of each nation as subordinate to international law, and that is why he demands supranational tribunals and administrative authorities to assure peace among nations in the same way that the judicial and executive organs of each country are charged with the maintenance of peace within its own territory

 

[Anti Federalist]

The cartoon doesn't show Trump being a racist, it shows him fueling racist politics, and is therefore most apt.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think he should do?

Apologize harder?

Have whoever that fellow was that was driving the Challenger drug out and dragged through the streets until dead, like they do in Haiti?

Or do like they do in modern day Germany and have him order the FBI to round up everybody that ever logged onto , say, StormFront?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass here, I'm asking, seriously.

And do you honestly think it would make the slightest difference?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think he should do?

Renounce all of his nationalistic policies and statements, acknowledge that he is an ignoramus and charlatan, and resign.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Renounce all of his nationalistic policies and statements, acknowledge that he is an ignoramus and charlatan, and resign.

Gotcha.

 

[specsaregood]

I predict Trump or maybe governors putting up security around the monuments to statism in the not so distant future.

 

[misterx]

Renounce all of his nationalistic policies and statements, acknowledge that he is an ignoramus and charlatan, and resign.

So it's not the substance of what he's done that bothers you, it's the style.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

So it's not the substance of what he's done that bothers you, it's the style.

Policywise, Trump hasn't really done anything since taking office (i.e. he's just maintained the status quo).

PR-wise, he's done a lot: e.g., apropos to this thread, promoted and normalized nationalism.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

The new American history: Thomas Jefferson and George Washington sailed to the Americas where they killed all the Chinese and enslaved the Blacks, then put Jews into ovens.

 

[Madison320]

The cartoon doesn't show Trump being a racist, it shows him fueling racist politics, and is therefore most apt.

I can barely remember any instances of Trump talking about race. Especially compared to his predecessor, it's not even close.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I can barely remember any instances of Trump talking about race. Especially compared to his predecessor, it's not even close.

His initial rise in the polls in the summer of 2015 was a result of him calling Mexicans rapists. The whole campaign from that moment on was based on themes of that kind: re Mexicans, Arabs, even Chinese to some extent (tl;dr all your problems are the result of foreigners). I don't know whether Trump is a racist (I doubt he really cares one way or another, as with other issues), but he certainly panders to them: and that's why the alt-righters/neo-NAZIs have gained so much ground in the last year or so.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

All I care about is the truth. These statues mean very little to me. Now that the Russian lies have fizzled, deep state is playing their next card, the racist one. I have predicted for over 10 years now that race war will be the undoing of the United States. White people for too long didn't think race was the United State's biggest problem. Black people have always thought it was the biggest problem. So instead of dialogue, empty platitudes were offered.

It is too hard for white people not to see that defending confederate statues is white arrogance. It's just a statue, to a bunch of guys thought fought and died to keep black people as slaves. They were idiots then, they are idiots now. Abolitionists were the righteous, and the righteous were with the union. Every confederate statue should be replaced with statues of John Brown, Harriet Tubman, and all the other abolitionist unknown union soldiers who died for the cause of freeing the slaves. (and yes, I mean the abolitionists who joined the union army, for the sake of abolition), as well as jayhawks and others. They were the ones who truly risked their lives for the righteous cause, which was ending slavery. Every one of these people, whose lives were ended by the musket ball or cannon of a confederate are an injustice.

I have no pity for any confederate soldier. At best they should have stayed out of the war.
And then, after the Union was done forcing (muh states rights!) the south to treat black people like people, and lo and behold, some great black politicians came from the south, (and the race issue could have been solved then, in the 1870's) when it was under Union rule... ....once the Union gave the southern states their rights back, what did they do? Put down the black man... ...again.

But Americans are still too blind. They will defend these statues and that confederate flag, like they don't know what it represents to the "winners", who became the losers after the civil war losers got their "states rights" back.

So the agitation for divide and conquer has found its perfect home, in the destruction of confederate statues.
This is how the deep state did in Ukraine as well. They had their neo-nazis go after Ukrainian soviet statues, and tear them down. This made the establishment/russian sympathizers/eastern ukrainians defend soviet statues, and therefore forced them to defend communism, which nobody in Ukraine really wanted to do, since Ukraine had a bad time with communism. Now the pro-russians are russian agents, and communists opposed to free trade with Europe... viola, nationalist Euro-maidan.

Same tactic being used here, oldest tactic in the book. Divide and conquer. By forcing white people and a smattering of others to defend confederate statues, they are forcing them to defend white racism. It is a losing proposition.

However....

I used to marvel at the genius of Putin. I used to wish the US had a leader as politically shrewd as he is.

Now we have Donald J. Trump. He is very different from Putin. Putin is methodical and political, trained in KGB political magic. Trump is evolved in the cauldron of New York back-knifing. By now, how Trump fights is pure instinct. If they ever even corner him, they will find him ten times more dangerous than he is now. I don't think they ever will corner him though. He is that good... ...and he has an army of fervent volunteers behind him.

And Trump does one thing by nature, and that is win. He knows the game being played right now. He will counter, and it will be a slow poison drip that the left will not even know they are infected with until it is too late. The beauty of this poison, is while the left focuses on the new found strength in its voice, the poison is in their knees. They will feel more and more bold in their voice, until their knees suddenly give, and they realize: they can't cash the checks their mouths were writing. They will be on the ground begging for their literal lives, and nobody likes beggars.

We have their playbook. And in usual deep state arrogance, they think they don't need to be sneaky, because they have the best technology. Time and time again, they have ignored reality. This will be the last time.




Says you. *yawn*



Yes, mmm hmmm. I see, and maybe a better use of negative space. And I would have chosen fuscia or perriwinkle. Also, I think it would be best to have trumps head in the lower right qudrant blowing left, since Americans see left as backwards. Perhaps have a poem from Mayou Angelo beneath. Make the waters stormier too. And mayeb some clouds in the sky. Instead of chalk, they should.....

...seriously, nobody cares what you think.

"Abolitionists were the righteous, and the righteous were with the union." - From your post

So by this reasoning, where does Wounded Knee and the numerous atrocities that followed ( as well as theft of land and broken promises ) fit under this idea ?

Also, pretty sure Lysander Spooner was not with the union . . .

sorry, but it seems a far too simple and dangerous assessment, IMO

 

[Jamesiv1]

Robert E Lee Elementary in Baton Rouge is looking for a name change. They asked the kids, here are the nominees:
http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local-news/129799454-story


Donald J. Trump Elementary: 45 nominations
Robert E. Lee Elementary: 34 nominations
Russell Lee Elementary: 32 nominations
Harper Lee Elementary: 30 nominations
Elisabet Ney Elementary: 15 nominations


some runner ups:

Idiocaracy Elementary (Yes Idiocracy is misspelled. Not sure if that is intentional.)
John Cena Elementary School
Drew Brees Elementary
Bruce Lee Elementary
Adolf Hitler School for Friendship and Tolerance (With 8 nominations.)
Schoolie Mcschoolface

I like Schoolie McSchoolface lol

 

[dannno]

His initial rise in the polls in the summer of 2015 was a result of him calling Mexicans rapists.

Fake news.

He said that Mexico was sending their criminals and their rapists, and the Mexican government was actively sending ex-cons to the US at the time. That is what he was referencing. There were articles about it that had recently come out about it. So Donald Trump was correct, not racist.

The fact that you cannot pick out the most obvious and basic fake news tells me that you aren't a good person to look to for advice about current political events.

 

[acptulsa]

So in your world, Trump didn't win the first few primaries he won by promising to put thirty million back to work by deporting three million illegal aliens?

Oh, yeah, and by building a trillion dollar wall for free which isn't getting built and which Mexico can't afford anyway.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Robert E Lee Elementary in Baton Rouge is looking for a name change. They asked the kids, here are the nominees:


+++

some runner ups:

Idiocaracy Elementary (Yes Idiocracy is misspelled. Not sure if that is intentional.)
John Cena Elementary School
Drew Brees Elementary
Bruce Lee Elementary
Adolf Hitler School for Friendship and Tolerance (With 8 nominations.)
Schoolie Mcschoolface

The majic is back in Ba-tahn Rooj! Those crazy kids!!

 

[r3volution 3.0]

@Trumpcuck @dannno

They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people

That means most immigrants are rapists (contra "some" who are "good people).

Does Trump actually believe that? Who knows (he is very thick, of course...).

Did he say it to win the nationalists to his side? Probably (if there was any strategy behind the statement, this would have been it).

Did it have that effect? Definitely (he led the polls a month later, after doubling down on this theme)