CNN: Ron Paul Will Spend Bulk of TeaParty Dough in NY, FL, CA

I don't know - there are a lot of people who support socialistic idealogy in California (and racist quotas like affirmative action). I'm not so sure he will be as well-received here.

There are people like that in every state. For such an affirmative action state, didn't California pass Prop 209? Plus there have been a lot of tax capping movements,etc. I also heard some guy named Reagan was from there and may have been elected to a city council or something there .
 
Probably because if he won California he'll win the nomination.

We have people becoming delegates up the ying yang out here. We're probably one of the most motivated, yet divided states.

California is an anarchist state basically, except without the change that new hampshire has.

We became this way for sure after the supreme court struck down the law that would end giving handouts to illegal aliens.

In the 90s Californians voted to cut services to illegals. Of course the courts struck it down and the dems and neocons running the government refused to fight and appeal for the referendum.

Californian's voted overwhelmingly to stop spending on services for illegal aliens several years ago. . .and the courts struck it down, eliminating our voice. Reminds me of something I heard once upon a time of taxation without representation.

California itself is a nightmare because of this. Gangs everywhere, hospitol closures. Free healthcare and benefits for them. etc. While legal americans pay the bills.

And quite frankly I've seen Los Angeles devalued and go down-hill in so many areas the last 50 years because of illegal immigration. Once great, family fun areas are now gang zones.

People say we have 20+ million illegals in the u.s. now? I'd say that we have about that many in california alone!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

Federal courts overruled the will of the voters, and said that we had to keep offering the full gamut of services to illegals.

You know it's bad when a mexican mechanic tells me he hates blacks. He used another word that I won't mention. It's certainly one of the most tribal states.

Yes it's very polarized. There's an element of hippies who try to make things like a rainbow but even they know they are failing at this. In fact many of them have left the state for Oregon instead.
 
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Perhaps the sheer population of California will work to our advantage, as a large percentage of Californians are uninterested in voting - but the ones interested in Ron Paul definitely will.
 
This campaigns turning point will be California. We need to put all our efforts there after NH. The invasions of federal government over states rights will play HUGE in Cali and their new electoral system is setup up perfectly for RP to win the state, even if he doesnt win all the district.
If we had some strong Cali members, I would love to see more chipins and ideas on how to win California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

Federal courts overruled the will of the voters, and said that we had to keep offering the full gamut of services to illegals.
 
I don't know - there are a lot of people who support socialistic idealogy in California (and racist quotas like affirmative action). I'm not so sure he will be as well-received here.

These are the people that run the school systems and are a small segment in the cities. They are thankfully the minority. Their cultural marxist paradise has been collapsing ever since people started seeing a huge struggle and change in demographics.
 
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i live in the Bay Area, and he is catching on sloooowwwllyy, and has been a very tough sell for the people around me, who are all VERY liberal. I need some reinforcements! I would love to start seeing his message take root here, so much of the political thinking out here is entrenched in the old right vs. left paradigm(just look at craigslist). Recently there was an article on sfgate.com about RP and the comment boards blew up, and then there was that straw poll, but that's about it. I for one am an awakened liberal who will be spreading the message as best as I can when the time is right. Let's get these early primaries, and CA will wake up quickly.
 
These are the people that run the school systems and are a small segment in the cities. They are thankfully the minority. Their cultureal marxist paradise has been collapsing ever since people started seeing a culture struggle and demographics change.

Though there is a strong element of mandatory unionism too. In my last job, a gang of union bullies drove me crazy and I took my case to the National Labor Relations Board (bless the National Right To Work foundation, they will represent you for free http://www.nrtw.org/ ).

But maybe the point is that the more liberal Californians are likely to vote in the democratic primaries than the republican anyway, so won't influence our results in the primaries. I live in Sacramento area, btw.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

Federal courts overruled the will of the voters, and said that we had to keep offering the full gamut of services to illegals.

I was also refering to the federal pressure to shut down all the dispenseries in San Diego. California sends out more to the federal government through taxs then what they receive back. This is a state that would benefit the most from a Ron Paul presidency. I really would love for this forumn to move forward and adopt Cali after NH. We sent people to NH and have influenced the outcome there. If we win, it will be big news but not many delegats. In cali we only have to win a few districts to get as many delegates as we would if we won NH.

Nevada is also critical. They will be the first western state to vote. If we can win Nevada, I really think our chances in Cali, Oregon, Washington, Idaho and maybe N & S Dakota. This would at least assure a floor vote.
 
NY is more puzzling to me. Maybe Dr. Paul is willing to go hunting where the other candidates don't feel like trying?

Guiliani and Hillary probably have the LEAST support in NY.

Hilliary did nothing and used her term as senator as a stepping stone to the office.
Guiliani has mixed reactions from those in NYC and is probably less than welcomed upstate.

If Ron Paul does well in the primaries for NY, especially if he does better than Guiliani and Hilliary, then it sends a message to the GOP that he WILL win the presidency.
 
NY and FL are total wastes. That is Guiliani territory. I also don't think taking away birthright citizenship is going to play very well in those states.
 
I don't know - there are a lot of people who support socialistic idealogy in California (and racist quotas like affirmative action). I'm not so sure he will be as well-received here.

States rights - Schwartzenegger threatened to sue the EPA (or DoE, not sure) because he wanted to set his own emission standards. And the legalization of medical marijuana. They will like Ron's pro-freedom positions.
 
FL is not a total waste. I think Guiliani is vulnerable here. People underestimate how many New Yorkers don't like him.

NY though... it's a CLOSED primary state, and the deadline to register has PASSED. So for that reason alone I'm not sure it should be an advertising target.
 
Though there is a strong element of mandatory unionism too. In my last job, a gang of union bullies drove me crazy and I took my case to the National Labor Relations Board (bless the National Right To Work foundation, they will represent you for free http://www.nrtw.org/ ).

But maybe the point is that the more liberal Californians are likely to vote in the democratic primaries than the republican anyway, so won't influence our results in the primaries. I live in Sacramento area, btw.

Oh I know all about it. My parents are teachers and recieive cultural-marxist union drivel all the time. CWA, CTA, etc etc. All kinds of pro socialist crap. It's as if Sumner Redstone was pulling the strings or something.
 
If you look most marxist/socialist driven schools back in the early 90s and compare them today, they are far different. I see a lot of average, everyday californians who have great anger towards illegal aliens and the institutions that coddle them. And i'm talking about people from very socialist schools like berkely where my parents went to school in the late 50s/early 60s. Btw that school changed, BIG TIME in the mid to late 60s! It became very zionist and marxist.

Check out Mecha, totally pushing for control here below.


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California Students Protest Attack On Affirmative Action

BY OMARI MUSA

SAN FRANCISCO - Thousands of students in California have staged demonstrations, marches, and building occupations since the passage of the misnamed California Civil Rights Initiative, known as Proposition 209. This ballot measure calls for eliminating affirmative action in state and local employment, education, and contracting. It passed by a margin of 54 to 46 percent.

Chanting, "ho, ho, hey, hey, affirmative action is here to stay," hundreds of students walked off the San Francisco State University campus November 6, the day after the vote. After urging students in ethnic and women's studies classes to join them, the protesters marched two miles through the streets around campus.

Students at the University of California at Berkeley also staged a series of protests beginning with a demonstration November 6. Students Against Proposition 209 and MEChA (the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) occupied the Campanile and some chained themselves to the building. Around 4 a.m. campus cops stormed the building, beating and arresting 23 protesters.

"Cops in riot gear came with no warning and picked us up," said Rashid Ibrahim, one of the students who was there.

Later that morning, 200 students rallied and marched through the campus. They stopped at the main lecture hall in Wheeler Hall and urged students to "walk out." Elewyn John, a first year student who is Black, told the Militant, "Affirmative action shouldn't be abolished. There are still many gains to be made. There will be less diversity among the student population."

The students moved on to California Hall and demanded a meeting with the university Chancellor Chang-Lin Tien. They were met by a line of cops who refused to allow them in.

A delegation went to meet with the Chancellor to demand a town hall meeting where opposition to Proposition 209 could be discussed and ways the university could continue to have affirmative action programs.

The "town hall" meeting took place November 14 and was attended by more than 300 students. After initial presentations by leaders of MEChA, Students Against Prop. 209, and Tien, Jennie Luna of the MEChA gave a statement. "In 1969 students demanded a Third World College and ethnic studies department here at Berkeley to be run by the underrepresented. These issues are still a reality," she said. Luna noted that "third world students are still very few."

At its July, 1995 meeting the University of California Board of Regents voted to end all affirmative action programs where race and sex were criteria for admissions. Protests in Santa Cruz, Los Angeles
As it became clear that Proposition 209 would pass, hundreds of students at the University of California Santa Cruz shut down the student services building and demanded that proposition 209 be officially rejected by the university. Student activists stayed up all night planning a building occupation for the next day.

The demonstration began around 8 a.m. as a group of less than 50 students blocked the entry ways to the Hahn Student Services building in the center of the Santa Cruz campus. As word spread of the takeover, the demonstration grew to at least 400 students. Many of the building's employees also joined the students. Students, officials, police and people donating food came and went as the day wore on.

An agreement was reached between the demonstrators and university officials ending the protest between 9 and 10 p.m. that night.

Nearly 100 demonstrators, many of them organized by Chicano students at the University of California at Irvine, assembled on the steps of City Hall in Los Angeles on November 8 to protest the passage of Proposition 209. "This is a message for all those who promoted 209," declared Isabel Silas, a Black student activist from Pitzer College in Claremont. She told the crowd, "we are not going to go away. We are going to fight."

On November 7, Asian students at the University of California at Los Angeles held a special meeting to discuss the implications of the passage of the anti-affirmative action ballot measure.

From November 8-10, upwards of 1,500 Chicano students gathered at California State University at Northridge, near Los Angeles, at the annual statewide convention of MEChA chapters. A central topic of discussion was how to maintain Chicano enrollment in the face of attempts to implement Proposition 209, as well as organizing continuing campus protests.

On November 11, after a six-hour occupation of the administration building at the University of California at Riverside, police arrested 20 students, most of them members of MEChA, during a protest demanding university officials honor previous affirmative action commitments. Up to 150 students, from various student organizations, had gathered outside the building to support the demonstrators.

In San Diego, November 4, supporters of the Raza Rights Coalition staged a protest in Chicano Park against the scheduled appearance of Henry Cisneros and Federico Pena. Cisneros is secretary of housing and Pena , secretary of transportation in the Clinton administration.

Attacks of affirmative action has already been felt in California's medical schools. A report issued at the annual meeting of the Association of American Medical Colleges recently held in San Francisco showed a 19 per cent drop in minority enrollment. The report noted that the national decline of minority student enrollment at medical schools is "only 5 percent."


Omari Musa is a member of Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers Local 1-326. Jim Altenberg in San Francisco, Jacob Perasso in Santa Cruz, and Jon Hillson in Los Angeles contributed to this article.
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Santa Cruz never used to have so many losers. My relatives lived there for over a hundred years. Well, that's changed. lol.
 
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Here in Pensacola, we are dedicated, but this is the poorest county in the state (Escambia) per capita, so we still have a lot of work to do. Still, we have over a month left, and a lot of slim jimming and face to face is ongoing. I may contact the meetup group for a chip-in to do an ad in the NewsJournal. This is Chuck Baldwin territory, and he has been amazing at getting the word out (not from the pulpit of course).
 
Well, it looks to me like NH is a waste. RP not even showing in any polls, and his rating while talking was going down into the 30's (the graph ticker thing). All the signs I see do not bode well. I hope I am wrong.
 
This is bad news he's spending it in NY, because it's a waste of money.

Being in NY I can attest this is Democrat haven. While many of the democrats might like Ron Paul's views and might consider voting for him, they can't because the republican party here in NY fucked us over by closing the deadline for party change. The deadline was two months ago. So, spending money in NY is not going to get Ron Paul any new voters.

Might get him some new voters that are already republicans - but there are so few it wouldn't be worth it.
 
Well, it looks to me like NH is a waste. RP not even showing in any polls, and his rating while talking was going down into the 30's (the graph ticker thing). All the signs I see do not bode well. I hope I am wrong.

I am tending to agree that NH isn't panning out like predicted. I think ex-Bostonites are taking over the state, or I don't know what.
 
Ron Paul will place well in Florida with the current base that he has here and the strong momentum too. As for NY, think of it as a state that is very wealthy...and wealth is a power in these elections.
 
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