CNN: Hawaii Gov. tries to end birther debate once and for all

[osan]

I see this Abercrombie fellow appears to be as full of shit as any other political rodent.

Note that he said he was going to do anything he could to prove Obammy is natural born - he did NOT say he was going to get down to truth.

The two are quite different.

 

[Bruno]

1. Offer a credible source. The only difference between The Onion and WND is that WND pretends to be a legitimate source and some people take it as a serious, credible source. I'm simply not going to take the time and effort to discredit bull-poo from a source known to shovel it out by the truck load.

2. Except for Fox News, the other sources you mentioned are not the habitual liars WND is.

It wouldn't matter to you, you are as blinded by your belief as the birthers you condemn.

 

[AxisMundi]

It wouldn't matter to you, you are as blinded by your belief as the birthers you condemn.

So you admit the Birthers are full of it?

Thank you.

 

[torchbearer]

So you admit the Birthers are full of it?

Thank you.

When I got a shit server job at applebees during college, i had to produce evidence that i was a citizen, and I was only tasked with taking orders and filling drinks. You'd think the person who is over our entire military would have to do the same.
I find it odd when people would rather just take it on faith, especailly when their is reasonable doubt he isn't natural born.
I'd put you in the category with people who talk to invisible people in the sky because someone told them they were really there. Blind belief in authority is the retards athem.
Sing it brother!

 

[Bruno]

So you admit the Birthers are full of it?

Thank you.

Not at all. There are a small minority that are adament he was born in Kenya or elsewhere and for whom no amount of evidence would disprove that to them. But by and large, the majority of people who question his birthplace are rational people looking at a large amount of inconsistencies which warrant further discussion.

You fall at the opposite end, calling people names, blindly believing that he was vetted or claiming it doesn't matter, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

 

[AxisMundi]

When I got a shit server job at applebees during college, i had to produce evidence that i was a citizen, and I was only tasked with taking orders and filling drinks. You'd think the person who is over our entire military would have to do the same.
I find it odd when people would rather just take it on faith, especailly when their is reasonable doubt he isn't natural born.
I'd put you in the category with people who talk to invisible people in the sky because someone told them they were really there. Blind belief in authority is the retards athem.
Sing it brother!

And what was the document(s) of proof?

 

[silverhandorder]

When I got a shit server job at applebees during college, i had to produce evidence that i was a citizen, and I was only tasked with taking orders and filling drinks. You'd think the person who is over our entire military would have to do the same.
I find it odd when people would rather just take it on faith, especailly when their is reasonable doubt he isn't natural born.
I'd put you in the category with people who talk to invisible people in the sky because someone told them they were really there. Blind belief in authority is the retards athem.
Sing it brother!

To be honest they produced a document that officially shows that he is a citizen(short form birth certificate). Judges also weighed in and said that is all that he needs in order to prove it in government's eyes. We also know that his mother is a citizen. I mean it is really being childish at this point to demand for long form birth certificate.

 

[Bruno]

To be honest they produced a document that officially shows that he is a citizen(short form birth certificate). Judges also weighed in and said that is all that he needs in order to prove it in government's eyes. We also know that his mother is a citizen. I mean it is really being childish at this point to demand for long form birth certificate.

Or you could argue it is childish (and highly suspect) for him to spend more than a million dollars in order to not show the long form certificate that exists.

 

[dannno]

And what was the document(s) of proof?

The checks for millions of dollars that went to lawyers to avoid showing said birth certificate

 

[Dr.3D]

You're worse than the "birthers" you condemn,

So you admit the Birthers are full of it?

Thank you.

So you admit what Bruno said is true?

 

[agitator]

The checks for millions of dollars that went to lawyers to avoid showing said birth certificate

Interesting indeed.

 

[AxisMundi]

So you admit what Bruno said is true?

No.

Bruno made an accusation concerning me, and an apparent admittance that Birthers are full of it.

 

[AxisMundi]

The checks for millions of dollars that went to lawyers to avoid showing said birth certificate

That is not any evidence showing anything other than a complete and utter lack of any substantial claim made by any Birther.

I do not blame Obama spending whatever he has to to defend his private personal papers. He has already provided proof where he did not have to, and no one has a right to see anyone's birth certificate.

 

[Bruno]

No.

Bruno made an accusation concerning me, and an apparent admittance that Birthers are full of it.

That's ridiculous, and you know that's not what I meant. I never said anyone was full of it, just that there are many on both sides that are adamantly blind to any reason and completely closed minded on the subject, and that you fall into that category.

Included in that category are those who call people names like kooks, conspiracy nuts, racists, and lumping them in with those that don't believe we landed on the moon or who deny the Holocaust. It is a tactic used to disparage and ignore open debate.

I am most of the rest of the doubters believe there is reasonable suspicion to question his birthplace.

That is not any evidence showing anything other than a complete and utter lack of any substantial claim made by any Birther.

I do not blame Obama spending whatever he has to to defend his private personal papers. He has already provided proof where he did not have to, and no one has a right to see anyone's birth certificate.

He has sealed most all of his records. Strange for a man who boasts how open and transparent he is, and yet we know so little about his past because it was barely discussed in the campaign and then brushed aside with the techniques described about.

Cause for more concern and suspicion for the reasoned individual.

 

[AxisMundi]

That's ridiculous, and you know that's not what I meant. I never said anyone was full of it, just that there are many on both sides that are adamantly blind to any reason and completely closed minded on the subject, and that you fall into that category.

Included in that category are those who call people names like kooks, conspiracy nuts, racists, and lumping them in with those that don't believe we landed on the moon or who deny the Holocaust. It is a tactic used to disparage and ignore open debate.

I am most of the rest of the doubters believe there is reasonable suspicion to question his birthplace.



He has sealed most all of his records. Strange for a man who boasts how open and transparent he is, and yet we know so little about his past because it was barely discussed in the campaign and then brushed aside with the techniques described about.

Cause for more concern and suspicion for the reasoned individual.

1. Consider the evidence offered, a short form BC which is indeed proof of citizenship, something BHO was not required by law to release to the masses. Also consider the source of this nonsense, media whores and political opposition. It is quite safe to state there is no doubt as to BHO's eligibility to hold office.

2. EO 13489 is indeed disappointing, but seals presidential records, not personal records.

 

[Bruno]

1. Consider the evidence offered, a short form BC which is indeed proof of citizenship, something BHO was not required by law to release to the masses. Also consider the source of this nonsense, media whores and political opposition. It is quite safe to state there is no doubt as to BHO's eligibility to hold office.

2. EO 13489 is indeed disappointing, but seals presidential records, not personal records.

1. Show Obama's short form, and I'll show you the inconsistencies. Post it here. You show me what you find so convincing. His own supporter, the Governor of Hawaii who has supposedly known him since he was born, doesn't even believe it is convincing enough.
2. I never cited EO 13489.
3. Nice job of ignoring the rest of my post.

 

[AxisMundi]

1. Show Obama's short form, and I'll show you the inconsistencies. Post it here. You show me what you find so convincing. His own supporter, the Governor of Hawaii who has supposedly known him since he was born, doesn't even believe it is convincing enough.
2. I never cited EO 13489.
3. Nice job of ignoring the rest of my post.

1. Feel free to list these inconsistencies. Considering that they've already been addressed...

2. EO 13489 is the executive order in question. If you are referencing another EO of BHO's that "seals his records", please provide it.

3. And what would you like me to address that I felt it unnecessary to?

 

[Bruno]

1. Feel free to list these inconsistencies. Considering that they've already been addressed...

2. EO 13489 is the executive order in question. If you are referencing another EO of BHO's that "seals his records", please provide it.

3. And what would you like me to address that I felt it unnecessary to?

1. You post what you believe is the best evidence of Obama's eligibility and why you feel so certain it is not only legitimate, but definitive proof.

2. Whatever sources I cited, you would deem them unworthy of reading and unreliable. I never mentioned executive orders at all, you did. Essentially his long form is not being release as well, without executive order affecting it, waiting on his simple phone call or letter to release it. In an era of accountability, transparency and openness, why not start with a silly birth certificate? Is "because he doesn't have to, it's private" your best excuse? That's laughable. Almost as laughable as spending millions to avoid showing it when there is nothing to hide.

3. Specifically, at the least, that the majority of rational people who question where he was born are rational people that are doing so not due to hate, racism, or any other vengeful reason, but because there is amble reason to doubt his place of birth due to many factors, including his spending millions to avoid showing a single document.

Inquiring, rational minds want to know. As well as why he has a Connecticut SSN.

 

[qh4dotcom]

3. Specifically, at the least, that the majority of rational people who question where he was born are rational people that are doing so not due to hate, racism, or any other vengeful reason, but because there is amble reason to doubt his place of birth due to many factors, including his spending millions to avoid showing a single document.

Inquiring, rational minds want to know. As well as why he has a Connecticut SSN.

I'm sure that if AxisMundi was sued by 100+ people and they all wanted to see his birth certificate, the last thing he would do it spend all his life savings in legal fees instead of just showing the damned thing.

 

[AxisMundi]

1. You post what you believe is the best evidence of Obama's eligibility and why you feel so certain it is not only legitimate, but definitive proof.

2. Whatever sources I cited, you would deem them unworthy of reading and unreliable. I never mentioned executive orders at all, you did. Essentially his long form is not being release as well, without executive order affecting it, waiting on his simple phone call or letter to release it. In an era of accountability, transparency and openness, why not start with a silly birth certificate? Is "because he doesn't have to, it's private" your best excuse? That's laughable. Almost as laughable as spending millions to avoid showing it when there is nothing to hide.

3. Specifically, at the least, that the majority of rational people who question where he was born are rational people that are doing so not due to hate, racism, or any other vengeful reason, but because there is amble reason to doubt his place of birth due to many factors, including his spending millions to avoid showing a single document.

Inquiring, rational minds want to know. As well as why he has a Connecticut SSN.

1. Short form is proof enough.

2. It's quite simple Bruno, cite a source that are not know habitual liars.

3. I'm sure there are people easily swayed by conspiracy theories. There are also plenty of Birthers who ARE racists, haters, and indulge in political hackery.

More WND bullshit.