Closing All Those Departments: What Happens To The People Who Work For Them?

[mport1]

They have to get a new job, one that helps and not hurts the economy. More importantly one that isn't funded through the theft of taxation.

 

[soulcyon]

Other than the process of attrition, those workers can now get jobs in the private industry (or wherever they choose). They won't be "out of a job" instantly, and on top of that they have plenty of time to plan for the oncoming department downsizing.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Also, in the morning when the drone strikes in Pakistan, what will happen to the mother that lost 3 children and a husband? Will she find another husband and have more children? Will the children be like the others? Will she get struck the next day?

 

[The Free Hornet]

I'm reading Economics in One Lesson. I would highly suggest the OP read it as well.

Great book!

That is one of many free books in the FEE library (Foundantion for Economic Education).

 

[row333au]

Remember most of these people likely going to be axe will do anything to keep their jobs even selling the country and destroying other lives for their sake....
That's what it boils down into 'for survival'...........
The only way Ron Paul can win is to make this people trust him and as they want guarantees (or else no vote)...........
Ron Paul needs a better solution for those people because unfortunately there's a large chunk of them in the country........

 

[tod evans]

Remember most of these people likely going to be axe will do anything to keep their jobs even selling the country and destroying other lives for their sake....

That's exactly what they are doing now!

And we're paying them to do it.......

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Working for the DoD, there is massive redundancy. I know of numerous loafs in which I have interacted who could be cut to improve efficiency.

I can second that.

 

[Mises_to_Paul]

What would be "seen": Some non-productive government jobs being lost
What is not seen: The jobs that were never created or reduced in scope because they non-productive jobs were created in the first place.

Employment is not the end. It is a means to an end, which is maximizing wealth and prosperity.

The constructs are not even close to perfectly correlated in a non-free market.

We could hire all the unemployed people in the nation, pay them a million dollars a year (after increasing the MS by that amount), and have them create a giant statue of Obama. Think our economy would be improved on the whole?

 

[Carlybee]

Create tax incentives to bring offshored and outsourced jobs back. Cut all the stupid regulations that have strangled businesses and discouraged startups. Instead of sending billions to foreign countries.

 

[TheGrinch]

Employment is not the end. It is a means to an end, which is maximizing wealth and prosperity.

What a great way to put it... Kind of off-topic, but I always laugh when I hear some people say that things would be different if there was no money... Well, yeah, things would be a lot more of a pain in the ass, because you'd be limited in your bartering. Many don't seem to realize that all money was originally intended to be was an easier way to barter by having a medium that works for any 2 parties, not just 2 specific ones. Bartering is essentailly synonymous with money, and will always exist, inevitably becoming money, employers/employment, etc.

Back to your point, it's truly sad that it's become to where you have to work your whole life just to support massive taxes, debts and inflation, and maybe still end up having to rely on government assistance (or rather hope you'll get your SS back) just to get by, rather than having a prosperous nation to where your money has stable value and jobs can be a means, not an end.

As to the OP's question, it's not as if there aren't needs for many of the things the government does in the private sector, and so while them being more efficient might not create more jobs in itself (it will actually cut wasteful jobs of course), it's a net positive for the economy, rather than wasteful debt. So along with a stable currency, a healthy free market economy will always lead to more jobs and more wealth.

That's not jsut for the employers either. People also all too often misunderstand that employees also dictate their wages just as much as an employer's needs & competition do, and further, we have an increasingly consumer-driven economy, so it's not as if it's in anyone's interest to pay crappy wages and leave skilled workers on the unemployment line. The market can work itself out, and all of us here know that government beaurocracy and Keynesian economics only make the situation worse in many cases.

 

[row333au]

That's exactly what they are doing now!

And we're paying them to do it.......

Unfortunately fire against fire is one hell of a massive fire, its becomes all too consuming until it burns us all..... condemning them would only make those people go worst against Ron Paul thus lose the country from the wannabe 'Ruling Class'. Remember the lower and even middle government (and those private contractual to government) employee status are as much as just pawns as everyone of us with love ones of families and friends who all live in local communities.

Do we think that they will want what we want base on taking our words alone and have a leap of faith? Viable solutions in details to an almost guaranteed successful implementation and maintaining for a long term is what everyone of us and Ron Paul's campaign should also concentrate too and what is also missing in having a solid base for conversion....

We as Ron Paul followers are not believers of Ron Paul base on his hype nor of some of his country's directional solutions, but rather we base it more from what Ron Paul's actions to make us think logically, as well as the knowledge to be wiser - for our awakening of conscience and consciousness. All these means is to love life and the lives of others which makes everything we live for worth living. And to really realize that there are malevolent people for whatever reason wants us to live by the way they want the masses to live in manipulations of lies in order to steal by all means of consequence even to kill and for us all be in desperation. This is a real limiting state of existing in this world. As the limit are getting bigger to become a handful of really living freely, for which you and your children's future will be force to live.

 

[QWDC]

In the short run, taking a trillion out of the economy probably wouldn't look pretty at all. It would obviously hurt people other than government workers as well. It has to happen one way or another way though, the economy isn't going to be able to follow it's current course forever. I would rather it happen in a controlled fashion and have the economy look better than ever in the long run than a doomsday scenario leading to the destruction of the country.

 

[Fort Lauderdale]

Vice President Rand Paul or Ron Paul will make Mitt Romney end the fed, close all U.S. military bases around the world, bring all the troops home, close the Departments of Energy, Commerce, Interior, Education, and Housing and Urban Development, which would cut $2 trillion in spending. Paul to Romney: You do what I tell you to do! ...And when all U.S. military bases around the world have been permanently closed, and all the U.S. troops have been brought back home, there will be a parade on the streets New York City for the troops. Leading up to the parade, all networks will show a video montage of U.S. troops in action and then troops boarding planes and ships heading home to the U.S., with Mama, I'm Coming Home by Ozzy Osbourne playing in the background. The U.S. troops will then be sent to patrol our air and sea ports and our borders with Canada and Mexico. That is how terrorism will be defeated!

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Ask the people... Close 5 departments and end foreign aid? OR lose social security/medicare? Ask the right questions and you will get the answers you seek.

 

[thoughtomator]

keeping SS & Medicare is not an option in any case, together these two obligations alone are outstripping total tax revenues

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

why has no serious politician just called for fuckin investigations and prosecutions of the ruling class? They are all guilty of treason- 12 year olds with internet access can prove it. Why not just confiscate their illegal wealth to fund programs as their necessity is phased out as a consequence of purging the economy of thieves?

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

keeping SS & Medicare is not an option in any case, together these two obligations alone are outstripping total tax revenues

nah, i mean keeping SS/medicare for those that paid into it.