Clip From Freedom Watch: Ron Paul on the Plausibility of HR1207

[Kraig]

Is Paul an agitator too, for daring to question the practicality of his own legislation?

Paul is probably the biggest agitator there is in congress, I'm sure all of the other congressmen are sick and tired of his snotty holier than thou attitude, he should shut the fuck up and stop being such a naysayer. They are there working their asses off trying to accomplish great things and all he does is sit around telling them how it won't work.

 

[Brassmouth]

Paul is probably the biggest agitator there is in congress, I'm sure all of the other congressmen are sick and tired of his snotty holier than thou attitude, he should shut the fuck up and stop being such a naysayer. They are there working their asses off trying to accomplish great things and all he does is sit around telling them how it won't work.

Let's see if anyone draws any wisdom from your post.

 

[CCTelander]

Paul is probably the biggest agitator there is in congress, I'm sure all of the other congressmen are sick and tired of his snotty holier than thou attitude, he should shut the fuck up and stop being such a naysayer. They are there working their asses off trying to accomplish great things and all he does is sit around telling them how it won't work.

Touche!

 

[CCTelander]

Let's see if anyone draws any wisdom from your post.

Among the small cadre that constantly bashes an-caps? Don't hold your breath.

Maybe some of the others though.

 

[Kraig]

If congress was an internet forum Ron Paul would have been banned for being a troll years ago.

 

[CCTelander]

if congress was an internet forum ron paul would have been banned for being a troll years ago. :d

lmao! :d

 

[Flash]

I don't get what Ron Paul is saying in the OP. Why wouldn't 1207 work? If it's never brought to the floor... couldn't we just do one of those discharge petitions?

 

[Flash]

Free State Project

Agreed. 1207 is turning out to be a disapointment.

 

[CCTelander]

Agreed. 1207 is turning out to be a disapointment.

You know, I guess it just depends what the goal was, and what one's expectations were.

Personally, I think 1207 has been something of a success. I think it actually HAS raised a good deal of awareness regarding the FED, and planted quite a few "seeds" that may eventually grow into something positive.

If, on the other hand, one went in thinking that 1207 was going to pass, the FED was going to be audited, and as a result, everyone would rise up and demand that the FED be abolished, well, obviously that was NEVER a realistic possibility.

Personally, I think political activism, especially electoral politics, except in extremely rare cases, is probably the least effective use of resources we have available to us. It's a shotgun type approach that isn't well targeted and is thus not overly effective or very efficient, for one thing.

But, if one insists on engaging in political activism, then things like 1207 are definitely some of the best types of approaches, IMO.

 

[Bossobass]

YouTube - Part 1: 07/15/2009 Freedom Watch 23 w/ Ron Paul, G. Edward Griffin, Peter Schiff, more

Start at 7:05

Truer words have never been spoken.

The bracketed part was paraphrased, but that's essentially what he meant. He then goes on to assert that "we" should try to pass it anyway (which is interesting, given that he admitted it basically has no chance.)

Now, the AUTHOR of the bill, and the LEADER of the political portion of the American liberty movement has just smoothly and quietly indicated that *surprise, surprise* TPTB in Washington will never allow the Fed to be jeopardized, and that the best we can hope for is some token Fed amendment tacked onto one of Barney Frank's regulation bills.

In summary, it is futile to expect the monopoly State to limit its own power. It's never happened before, and it won't happen at all.

In economics, there is something called "opportunity cost." For instance, the OC of going to work is being able to enjoy leisure time. The OC of using tuna to make a sandwich is using the tuna for making a salad. The OC of expending scarce movement effort to support legislation is using the effort to support some other method of smashing the State.

Isn't it time we put our efforts into something that's at least marginally productive??

First, this thread is shit.

Interesting, how you missed the important part of the segment:

"The pressure has to come from the people."

I assume you're a people. This thread is your contribution to pressure Congress?

Get it straight:

It all depends on those in power and what they wanna do.

He's referring to Pelosi (Speaker of the House), and Frank (Chairman of the HFSC)

And, he's telling Y-O-U that the pressure has to come from the people.

That clip is over a month old. You have no clue what the strategy is, what has been done since, what is being done now or what has been planned to be done in the future regarding this bill.

Barney Frank has said in interviews that he has indeed "promised RP to bring the bill out of committee, but no formal request has happened".

For the super dense among us, ask yourselves why the Fed, for the first time in its history, would hire a lobbyist, and a stinky skank of a lobbyist at that. Ask why Bennie would go on a road tour to fight this bill? Ask why every Ivy League economist in the country was prodded to sign petitions, write articles, hold conferences, etc., to fight this bill. Ask why the media has been employed to smear this bill.

Because it has no chance? Because it's a futile attempt? Because Ron's an idiot who doesn't know how this game works?

Frank and Pelosi have the say to bring this bill out of committee.
Frank has promised to bring it out of committee.
All RP has to do is formally request it.
The pressure has to come from the people.

Can you fill in the blanks, or are you just the negative imbecile your post makes you out to be?

Y-O-U aren't ever gonna get a better vehicle to be "Moderately Productive" through, so get off yer dumb ass and apply pressure, or quietly go away.

Just as a reminder, every single soul who has ever gone against the central bankers has been assassinated or survived an assassination attempt or 2 or 3.

And Y-O-U are disappointed because Ron Paul isn't single-handedly getting this bill passed while you sit on your ass watching You Tube clips, calling the effort dead before the fight starts.

BTW, this thread is shit.

Bosso

 

[Lord Xar]

First, this thread is shit.

Interesting, how you missed the important part of the segment:

"The pressure has to come from the people."

I assume you're a people. This thread is your contribution to pressure Congress?

Get it straight:

It all depends on those in power and what they wanna do.

He's referring to Pelosi (Speaker of the House), and Frank (Chairman of the HFSC)

And, he's telling Y-O-U that the pressure has to come from the people.

That clip is over a month old. You have no clue what the strategy is, what has been done since, what is being done now or what has been planned to be done in the future regarding this bill.

Barney Frank has said in interviews that he has indeed "promised RP to bring the bill out of committee, but no formal request has happened".

For the super dense among us, ask yourselves why the Fed, for the first time in its history, would hire a lobbyist, and a stinky skank of a lobbyist at that. Ask why Bennie would go on a road tour to fight this bill? Ask why every Ivy League economist in the country was prodded to sign petitions, write articles, hold conferences, etc., to fight this bill. Ask why the media has been employed to smear this bill.

Because it has no chance? Because it's a futile attempt? Because Ron's an idiot who doesn't know how this game works?

Frank and Pelosi have the say to bring this bill out of committee.
Frank has promised to bring it out of committee.
All RP has to do is formally request it.
The pressure has to come from the people.

Can you fill in the blanks, or are you just the negative imbecile your post makes you out to be?

Y-O-U aren't ever gonna get a better vehicle to be "Moderately Productive" through, so get off yer dumb ass and apply pressure, or quietly go away.

Just as a reminder, every single soul who has ever gone against the central bankers has been assassinated or survived an assassination attempt or 2 or 3.

And Y-O-U are disappointed because Ron Paul isn't single-handedly getting this bill passed while you sit on your ass watching You Tube clips, calling the effort dead before the fight starts.

BTW, this thread is shit.

Bosso

Yup. I was very surprised because it was fairly obvious what the gist of viewing was, RP was saying WE have to push harder, and we have some "posters" suggesting we give up the fight. I find this rather interesting and disheartening. I mean, the battle is just beginning and some are suggesting "give up". I am sure there were many Benedict Arnolds suggesting we "go along to get along" or "It can't be done...", but such naysayers are the arm-chair warriors or perhaps something a little more devious.

Anyways, good going bosso - as usual, you hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer!

 

[Brassmouth]

First, this thread is shit.

Interesting, how you missed the important part of the segment:

"The pressure has to come from the people."

I assume you're a people. This thread is your contribution to pressure Congress?

How is that the important part of the segment? Paul is stating the obvious. It's also totally irrelevant to what I was talking about. My focus in that post was to highlight Paul's insights into the plausibility of the bill all you people are championing.

Get it straight:

It all depends on those in power and what they wanna do.

He's referring to Pelosi (Speaker of the House), and Frank (Chairman of the HFSC)

And, he's telling Y-O-U that the pressure has to come from the people.

Yes, thank you for restating the obvious, yet again. Btw, you're a fool if you think Pelosi and Frank were the only ones with power that Paul was referring to.

That clip is over a month old. You have no clue what the strategy is, what has been done since, what is being done now or what has been planned to be done in the future regarding this bill.

This thread is over a month old. Way to go, genius...

For the super dense among us, ask yourselves why the Fed, for the first time in its history, would hire a lobbyist, and a stinky skank of a lobbyist at that. Ask why Bennie would go on a road tour to fight this bill? Ask why every Ivy League economist in the country was prodded to sign petitions, write articles, hold conferences, etc., to fight this bill. Ask why the media has been employed to smear this bill.

Because it has no chance? Because it's a futile attempt? Because Ron's an idiot who doesn't know how this game works?

A "stinky skank," huh? Wow, you're just brimming with intellect, aren't you?

The reason for the lobbyist is not to stop the meaningless bill that has no chance anyway, its most likely to improve the Fed's PR, which, thanks to places like the Mises Institute, is in a free-fall.

 

[Brassmouth]

Anyways, good going bosso - as usual, you hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer!

 

[Brassmouth]

YouTube - Part 1: 07/15/2009 Freedom Watch 23 w/ Ron Paul, G. Edward Griffin, Peter Schiff, more

Start at 7:05



Truer words have never been spoken.



The bracketed part was paraphrased, but that's essentially what he meant. He then goes on to assert that "we" should try to pass it anyway (which is interesting, given that he admitted it basically has no chance.)

Now, the AUTHOR of the bill, and the LEADER of the political portion of the American liberty movement has just smoothly and quietly indicated that *surprise, surprise* TPTB in Washington will never allow the Fed to be jeopardized, and that the best we can hope for is some token Fed amendment tacked onto one of Barney Frank's regulation bills.

In summary, it is futile to expect the monopoly State to limit its own power. It's never happened before, and it won't happen at all.

In economics, there is something called "opportunity cost." For instance, the OC of going to work is being able to enjoy leisure time. The OC of using tuna to make a sandwich is using the tuna for making a salad. The OC of expending scarce movement effort to support legislation is using the effort to support some other method of smashing the State.

Isn't it time we put our efforts into something that's at least marginally productive??

I am reviving this thread simply to point out that all those State-enthusiast pseudo-libertarians who denounced me within this discussion were, of course, astonishingly wrong.

[url]http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/041631.html[/URL]

Ron Paul was also correct in his expectation that his bill would fail.

It is impossible to "reform" the State, or stop it from within.

Had you taken my advice several months ago when I posted the quoted post, and abandoned your confused effort to use a coercive monopoly apparatus to destroy that very same apparatus, you'd all be that much closer to actually achieving liberty.

The Fed lives on, becoming ever stronger, and it has, in part, you people to thank. Because you should have known better.

 

[Rael]

The Fed lives on, becoming ever stronger, and it has, in part, you people to thank. Because you should have known better.

And just what were you doing to achieve liberty while we all "wasted our time"?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

And just what were you doing to achieve liberty while we all "wasted our time"?

From my experience, he's contributed to the undermining of the State's legitimacy-this is a good step towards liberty. The more that the general public abandons the State, the closer we come to liberty.