Click it or Ticket!

SIMPLE: Another way for Government (ALL LEVELS) and Insurance companies to make MONEY!
 
pcosmar said:
Fine.
I think your perfume stinks.

Maybe we should outlaw that crap in public too.
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Oh I agree! Perfume and Cologne is the WORST. Some scents cause me to get sick which then entails antibiotics usually. Cigarettes I can handle as long as the smoke isn't being blown in my face. I am not a smoker but if someone is smoking around me, and I don't like it then I leave. And lets outlaw peanuts because people can be deathly allergic to them.
 
LibertyOfOne said:
Yeah because there is no head rest to block that. :rolleyes: You also make the choice to hang around those type of people than you face the consequences of your decision.
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Agreed. Did I fail to make it clear?
 
sidster said:
I understand (I think) where folks who are upset at being forced to
wear their seatbelts are coming from, or even helmets for that
matter.

Personally, if I had a choice in the matter, I would still choose to
wear my seatbelt and helmet when on the road. It seems that there
exist people who rather not.

I suppose these folks don't believe helmets and seatbelts would
(could) potentially save their lives in a collision. I admit that there
are some strange (unique) circumstances where seatbelts could
potentially trap you in the vehicle, or by some other means inflict
more harm or even cause death. A rational thinker/person, would
look at the probability of such instances and weigh in the pros and
cons before making the decision not to wear their seatbelt or helmet.

That said, I fully see the argument that you, as an individual, do not
wish to be told how to live your life; i.e., someone else making
certain decisions for you without giving you a choice to opt out.

I guess, what I've been arguing is that currently the law says you must
wear your seatbelt, and so you must obey the law until such time as
the law is changed. Similar to federal income taxes. I believe IRS
is unconstitutional, yet I pay my taxes because they currently are the
ones with the big guns (both literally and figuratively speaking).

...so I don't know where this leaves us.
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Then you're completely naive or cowardly. Please remind us, why are you here on a RP forum?
 
Andrew-Austin said:
Insignificant victim-less crime.



No don't be silly.

Running a red light is endangering others, and 9 times out of 10 you will plunge into another car at significant speed. This is violating other people's right to not have their skull and SUV crushed.

How is that even remotely comparable to choosing not to wear a seat belt and endangering yourself. I own myself, if I wish to risk hurting myself then thats my decision.
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Where I live and the time of day, no one is around and I run the stop signs and red lights. Visibility is clear and no one is around. What the hell are you talking about?
 
Can anyone post the laws in their State that deals with operating an engine driven mobile on a public road that is not connected to a commercial activity?

The terms I use are common use. If you use a statue, please provide the definitions.
 
I'm Surprised no one brought it up. What about school buses do not require seat belts or any bus. Nothing like watching a bunch of kid's bouncing around in that big open space. I guess buses are more safe then cars with airbags.
All it is Is a big money making scheme.
 
I went through 3 seatbelt checks today. Within a 5 mile radius. I couldn't believe it.

Glad to see my tax money is being used on something so important, as always. </sarcasm>
 
sixpackrt said:
I'm Surprised no one brought it up. What about school buses do not require seat belts or any bus. Nothing like watching a bunch of kid's bouncing around in that big open space. I guess buses are more safe then cars with airbags.
All it is Is a big money making scheme.
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That steel bar at head level part of the seat in front of you will stop all injuries.
 
What a waste of taxpayer money! (Promotion, enforcement, fines, traffic caused by lanes being used up by cops pulling people over, etc, etc, etc...)

And, guess what, in New Hampshire, the only state without seatbelt laws, just as many people buckle up than it the neighboring states, and more than in the south.

Most importantly, though, legislation kills innovation. Car companies might have come up with an even better / more convenient / more effective safety device in a purely free market environment.
 
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The only person I'm endangering when I don't buckle up is myself and I have the full authority to do so.

It is against the basic principles of law when police is checking for these things.

It is likely done for conditioning reasons, to keep you in the state of mind of a child that needs to be supervised. It does however give incentive for subversion and general aversion against the three branches of government, well, at least two of them.

So... whether it's that clever after all, I don't know.
 
Saw a huge electronic billboard over the freeway tonight while I was driving home. "Click it or Ticket!" (central CA)
 
AutoDas said:
That steel bar at head level part of the seat in front of you will stop all injuries.
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Lmao.

The smoking thing bugs me. If we're going to regulate parents to make sure we're keeping kids safe, then we need to remove 95% of all cleaning products from grocery store shelves. Let's not even discuss the stuff in foods. Should we have have "cart checkers" at the store exits to make sure parents aren't buying Lysol? Give mom a ticket for using a registered pesticide around her kids?

Between what the avg kid eats, the hygiene products he uses, the chemicals in his clothes from washing, what he sleeps in, and the chemicals that surround him 24/7 in the air (even closed containers outgas chemicals) kids are exposed to way more than a few chance puffs of cigarette smoke could ever give them.

The "protect the kids" argument doesn't fly. Not when we ignore REAL dangers in our homes that are proven to cause all kinds of problems. Kind of like the old argument- we're in Iraq to fight the terrorists but we don't have to worry about our open borders.
 
Being the only state in the country without a seat belt law, NO, I haven't seen the campaign :D

Come and join me here in the Free State if you wish
 
I hate to be the fly in the ointment but....


the whole seatbelt thing is due to the fact that the same people who are all about independence and freedom not to wear a seatbelt will be bawling like babies for a MUNICIPAL ambulance and fire truck to come carve their stupid asses out of their dash boards.

You see, you are relying on emergency services that has to be shared with everyone else. Therefore, everyone else can elect the usual bloodsuckers to make laws requiring that you wear a seat belt.

Because who wants to be doing CPR on their mother for a half hour because the nearest ambulance was tied up prying some knucklehead from their car as a result of an accident that same knucklhead could have walked away from had the seat belt been in use?

You see how it works.

Is this movement now going to fall for the fallacy of wanting total freedom without the responsibility?

If we are fully expecting to bleed to death on the road or watch family members die from lower response times of emergency services, THEN we can go and complain about seat belt laws. If we can arrange for a friend with a van, a Jaws of Life, stretchers, etc to come out to us when we have that accident, then we can tell the government to shove the emergency services, and we don't need their seat belts either.

Or will the same people who dont' want to wear seat belts NOT sue the township if the ambulance took too long to pick up their stroked out mother because they had to send one from the next town?

I would bet the lawyer would be called right after the undertaker. Where are these no seat belt freedom fighters trying to get tort reform passed too? How about a special program where they promise not to hold anyone else responsible?

Get the picture?


You can't have one (freedom) without the other (responsibility).


Next thing you know, the same people who want national health care will also want the right to get as fat as they want.
 
Or will the same people who dont' want to wear seat belts NOT sue the township if the ambulance took too long to pick up their stroked out mother because they had to send one from the next town?
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That's what your argument hinges upon. So, how many such lawsuits you know?

Also, keep in mind proportionality. You could regulate every single move you make on the same grounds. Best we all stay in a room with cushioned walls, so as not to being able to harm ourselves, correct? Obviously the pain that you suffer in an accident stands in no proportionality to the pain that the ambulance has helping you.

It's a sick argument you're making.
 
Timothy said:
That's what your argument hinges upon. So, how many such lawsuits you know?

Also, keep in mind proportionality. You could regulate every single move you make on the same grounds. Best we all stay in a room with cushioned walls, so as not to being able to harm ourselves, correct? Obviously the pain that you suffer in an accident stands in no proportionality to the pain that the ambulance has helping you.

It's a sick argument you're making.
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Hey, that actually sounds pretty good. Do you know of a
company that would do this? put cushioning on my walls
and floors?


What I really find stupid is the "Hands Free" laws. It went
into effect in California July 1st. I think this is retardedest
law ever. Although I've not read the text of the law to know
exactly what it covers, but is it illegal to
  • hold the phone to your ear but not dialed/connected to anyone?
  • have someone else hold the phone to your ear?
  • what if you are holding a stapler to your ear instead of your cell?
  • eating a hamburger or a taco with one hand and driving?
  • Starbucks latte seems to be ok to drink and drive
  • etc.
 
I got stopped at a road block in Vermont to check to see if I had my seat belt on, then they handed me a stack of papers about seat belt safety even though I already had my seat belt on...
 
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