Circumstantial link between Ft Hood and Va Tech shooters

That is remarkable connection, two of the most famous mass shooters in recent American history attended the same school.

Based on details out so far, I had actually thought that their motives are also somewhat similar - a self built image of "persecution" or unfair treatment by the world around them. Vteach's asian shooter had imagined himself to be persecuted like Jesus if I recall that news right.
 
Extreme cruelty to animals later in career.
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Mass murder shooting on campus.
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Beheading on Campus
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Ft. Hood Massacre.
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Damn, something in the water?
 
Fort Hood Mystery

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gaddy/gaddy72.1.html

by Michael Gaddy

The facts as presented by the Army and the media reference the shooting at Fort Hood just don’t compute. While I routinely dismiss any "facts" disseminated by the Army and the state’s propaganda wing, sometimes referred to as the mainstream media (MSM), there are some glaring inconsistencies in what has been reported about this tragedy.

First is the report the perpetrator was dead and then hours later the revelation that he was still alive. Exactly how long does it take to determine if a person is dead or alive? Could it be no one knew whom the shooter or shooters were and a story had to be concocted for public consumption? What happened to the two other "suspects" that were detained? What did they do to qualify as suspects and more importantly, what information surfaced that led to their release? One of the suspects reportedly stated he "was with the shooter."

Second is the number of victims from a single shooter. Let us not forget this shooting did not occur at the mall, it occurred on a military installation where the victims had been trained in military tactics and some were combat veterans. We are to believe they did nothing to stop a single shooter and he was allowed to reload several times and continue shooting and the only thing that stopped him was the arrival of a police officer after the gunman had gunned down over 40 people?

And how so very convenient for the state, a perpetrator who was both anti-war and a Muslim; just doesn’t get any better than that. Could this be an example of following the philosophy of Rahm Emanuel on dealing with a crisis?

Third was the shutting down of communications in and around Ft. Hood for hours. While the Army and the media will explain this in various scenarios, it also provided the Army with a chance to create whatever story it was they wanted to provide the public on the terrible tragedy. Of course we all know the Army would never distort or lie about the facts involving the deaths of innocents. Well, there is that My Lai thing. People on the ground have told me cell phone towers were jammed to prevent unauthorized dissemination of information after the shooting. Again, the Army would not want any information contrary to the company line emerging from this disaster.

All too convenient for the Army was the rapid release of negative information related to the alleged shooter. It was said he received a negative evaluation report and that he had caused "red flags" to be raised some months ago concerning emails. Do we know anything this detailed about the "suspects" who were released? The caveat was added that it was unclear as to whether the suspect was the author of those emails. So, months ago, alarms were raised about emails the suspect might have sent, yet, in all those months the Army has been unable to determine who wrote them. Yeah, right. If red flags were in fact raised months ago, why did the Army do nothing? Going back to the 9/11 paradigm, we see the same evidence exhibited: the state had prior warnings but did not act on them. This proves unequivocally the government is either incompetent or complicit in both events. Yet, the state would have us all unarmed and depending on them for protection.

President Obama pledged, "to get answers to every single question about this event" but he also promised an end to signing statements, a transparent government, no more torture of detainees, and many more lies.

There has been speculation on the Internet that the shooting could have been a revolt against the Army from soldiers faced with stop-loss and multiple combat tours to Iraq and Afghanistan. While there is no evidence to support this theory, there is also no evidence to support the official Army version of events. Suicides among military personnel and veterans are at alarming levels, yet the Department of Defense does more to hide these facts than it does to deal with them.

The last thing the state can let happen is an awakening by its enforcement arm (military and LE) that they are nothing but tools of oppression and in fact, slaves to the monster they serve. While the military is trained and encouraged to kill and bomb in the name of the state, they are forbidden the means of protection for themselves and their loved ones once they are outside the killing zones designated by the state.

All is not normal inside the military community. This is not just seen in our military, instruments of oppression in other countries are revolting as well.

While it is doubtful we will ever learn the truth of exactly what happened at Fort Hood, we know with a degree of certainty the truth will never be revealed by the Army or the media. Could this have been a false flag event to divert the attention of the American public from the debates and planned demonstrations against the health care fiasco? Could it have simply been another MK Ultra event to further demonize the anti-war element in this country and to lay another crime at the feet of the current villain du jour: Muslims? Could there be a connection between this alleged shooter and his fellow Virginia Tech shooter Seung Hui Cho, other than an oblique reference to Cho having a Muslim influence?

One must always ask this question when faced with a story that is issued and controlled by the State: Cui Bono? Wonderful, is it not, the state is empowered with the unique ability to investigate its own lies and the power of the media and academia to demonize any who would question its veracity, and the support of Boobus, whose livelihood depends on the state’s power to redistribute the wealth of the nation from producers to parasites.

November 9, 2009
 
Word is that the two other "suspects" were GIs who had weapons in their vehicles (contrary to policy) and were in the process of getting their weapons in order to take out the shooter, when the police force arrived, and detained them. A case of good guys not being able to recognize other good guys, which is the main danger an armed citizen faces when the police do show up on the scene.
 
They were nuts there is no conspiracy, the only thing you can not accept is that non whites go nuts sometimes...
 
Word is that the two other "suspects" were GIs who had weapons in their vehicles (contrary to policy) and were in the process of getting their weapons in order to take out the shooter, when the police force arrived, and detained them. A case of good guys not being able to recognize other good guys, which is the main danger an armed citizen faces when the police do show up on the scene.

That doesn't surprise me. In fact, that makes perfect sense.

Mind you, for some of the posters on the RPF's it's just not as much fun if it isn't some vast government conspiracy.

Here we come to the heart of why most of the American body politic cannot take the Ron Paul people seriously. Apparently a significant portion of our group has the distinct ability of selective observation. And observations are only selected according to what promotes the current conspiracy de jour. Any observation that contradicts that conspiracy must be emphatically rejected and denied.
 
Or in the Meds.

Do you believe that nothing was learned from the Huge Financial Investment in MK Ultra?
Any proof the program was ended?

That's some creepy stuff man.
I reckon we gotta give VT the benefit of the doubt with a raised brow for now but if this trend continues... I dunno..
 
That doesn't surprise me. In fact, that makes perfect sense.

Mind you, for some of the posters on the RPF's it's just not as much fun if it isn't some vast government conspiracy.

Here we come to the heart of why most of the American body politic cannot take the Ron Paul people seriously. Apparently a significant portion of our group has the distinct ability of selective observation. And observations are only selected according to what promotes the current conspiracy de jour. Any observation that contradicts that conspiracy must be emphatically rejected and denied.

:rolleyes: Like the "selective observation" that the Ft Hood shooter went to the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers? That's what floors me about some folks. Everybody is a conspiracy theorist! Some people are just too stubborn to admit it! For example long after the Bush administration denied this 70% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. Now maybe you weren't part of that 70%. But were you actively out trying to dispel that myth? Or were you propagating the circumstantial evidence that pointed to the possibility that it might be true? Either we look at everything or we look at nothing.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
They were nuts there is no conspiracy, the only thing you can not accept is that non whites go nuts sometimes...

So then you also dismiss the "conspiracy theory" that there was a connection between the Ft Hood shooter and the 9/11 hijackers? Cool!
 
Not a regular poster here, but I still check up on things from time to time. I can't take this article too seriously seeing as I live on Fort Hood about a mile from where the attack happened and most of the assumptions I've seen on various conspiracy theorists sites are just outright false.

For one, if the cell phone towers were jammed, why was I able to sporadically speak with my husband during the lockdown via cell phone? Two, there were over 170 witnesses in the SRP building. I'd think between them, somebody was able to get a good look at the shooter and positively identify him. I don't think Hasan is some sort of scapegoat here. A few local Muslims who knew Hasan personally have stated that he was misguided and misinterpreted the Koran and that there was something wrong with him.

In that area, there is not only the several SRP buildings, there is also the Howze Theatre which was holding 600 people and the Education Center (where my husband was) which had who knows how many people. We're talking about approx. 1000 people in one area connected by a large parking lot. Don't people think it would be difficult to keep that many people quiet? Those people were texting and twittering and calling the local news IMMEDIATELY following the attack. It wasn't until the story became more well-known that we started having issues with cell phones. My home phone was not affected. I'd think if the Army was trying to keep everyone quiet, they'd disable the landlines too.

The only thing I do find alarming and unresolved is the report of multiple shooters at various sites on post. I want to know why the local news reported that there was a shooter at the PX and why a woman in my neighborhood was tackled at the PX by another well-meaning customer trying to protect her. She spent the night in the hospital. Also, we now have soldiers with their weapons guarding the schools, youth centers, day cares, the shopping centers and several other places on post. Why do we need protection if the authorities are so sure Hasan was acting alone?
 
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:rolleyes: Like the "selective observation" that the Ft Hood shooter went to the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers? That's what floors me about some folks. Everybody is a conspiracy theorist! Some people are just too stubborn to admit it! For example long after the Bush administration denied this 70% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. Now maybe you weren't part of that 70%. But were you actively out trying to dispel that myth? Or were you propagating the circumstantial evidence that pointed to the possibility that it might be true? Either we look at everything or we look at nothing.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Given the track record of the U.S. government, it would seem wise to question every story that they concoct.
 
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Not a regular poster here, but I still check up on things from time to time. I can't take this article too seriously seeing as I live on Fort Hood about a mile from where the attack happened and most of the assumptions I've seen on various conspiracy theorists sites are just outright false.

So the shooter didn't graduate from Virginia Tech even though that's all over the MSM? :rolleyes:

For one, if the cell phone towers were jammed, why was I able to sporadically speak with my husband during the lockdown via cell phone? Two, there were over 170 witnesses in the SRP building. I'd think between them, somebody was able to get a good look at the shooter and positively identify him. I don't think Hasan is some sort of scapegoat here. A few local Muslims who knew Hasan personally have stated that he was misguided and misinterpreted the Koran and that there was something wrong with him.

Strawmen arguments. Neither link that I posted (one from MSM and the other from a "conspiracy theory site") said anything about cell phone service or claimed it was someone other than Hasan or claimed that Hasan wasn't muslim. Again I direct you, like I've directed others, to the 1993 WTC bombing where the FBI was forced to admit that they used a muslim informant to actually build the bomb!

YouTube - Rare TV NEWS report about WTC bombing FBI Foreknowledge

The only thing I do find alarming and unresolved is the report of multiple shooters at various sites on post. I want to know why the local news reported that there was a shooter at the PX and why a woman in my neighborhood was tackled at the PX by another well-meaning customer trying to protect her. She spent the night in the hospital. Also, we now have soldiers with their weapons guarding the schools, youth centers, day cares, the shopping centers and several other places on post. Why do we need protection if the authorities are so sure Hasan was acting alone?

I heard that the other "shooters" were attempting to shoot Hasan but were stopped by the police. I have no confirmation of that.

Regards,

John M. Drake
 
I heard that the other "shooters" were attempting to shoot Hasan but were stopped by the police. I have no confirmation of that.

This sounds perfectly logical. If there is a silver-lining in all this it is that the two "good samaritans" weren't locked-up overnight for their initiative.
 
So the shooter didn't graduate from Virginia Tech even though that's all over the MSM? :rolleyes:

Strawmen arguments. Neither link that I posted (one from MSM and the other from a "conspiracy theory site") said anything about cell phone service or claimed it was someone other than Hasan or claimed that Hasan wasn't muslim. Again I direct you, like I've directed others, to the 1993 WTC bombing where the FBI was forced to admit that they used a muslim informant to actually build the bomb!

My bad. I was responding specifically to the Lew Rockwell article. I didn't read the first two you posted. :o
 
Neither link that I posted (one from MSM and the other from a "conspiracy theory site") said anything about cell phone service or claimed it was someone other than Hasan or claimed that Hasan wasn't muslim.

While your links may not have stated the above, there are people on the Alex Jones site and other places proposing that the shooting did not take place at the SRP center and that Hasan was actually just responding to the "real shooters" and is being used as a scapegoat for the young white G.Is really responsible. I was addressing the general BS I've been reading.
 
:rolleyes: Like the "selective observation" that the Ft Hood shooter went to the same mosque as the 9/11 hijackers? That's what floors me about some folks. Everybody is a conspiracy theorist! Some people are just too stubborn to admit it! For example long after the Bush administration denied this 70% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. Now maybe you weren't part of that 70%. But were you actively out trying to dispel that myth? Or were you propagating the circumstantial evidence that pointed to the possibility that it might be true? Either we look at everything or we look at nothing.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Hasan wasn't singing the Virginia Tech fight song while squeezing off rounds, he was shouting "Allahu Akbar"

Hasan wasn't pulling motivation from websites detailing the performance of VT's sports teams, his browsing history focused on radical jihad websites.

:rolleyes:

You can't take a single piece of evidence in isolation either, you have to examine the broader pattern.

Why is this stuff not obvious to thinking people?
 
Why is this stuff not obvious to thinking people?

Well that is one conspiracy theory. But I am finding reports to the contrary.
Just one, there are many others,
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/us/08investigate.html
Still, investigators have found no evidence that Major Hasan sent e-mail messages to known terrorists or anyone else who encouraged or helped him to orchestrate the shootings.

Representative Jane Harman, a California Democrat who is head of the House Homeland Security intelligence subcommittee, confirmed in a phone interview on Saturday that investigators had thus far not found any evidence suggesting that Major Hasan had been in contact with extremist or terrorist organizations. “I don’t know of that link,” Ms. Harman said, adding that the investigation was seeking to answer that question. The committee oversees some of the agencies involved in domestic counterterrorism inquiries.
 
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