Chuck DeVore running for Senate in California

He just doesn't agree with RP's stance on the Civil War and Lincoln. I wouldn't exactly call what he stated about it as "negative remarks about RP". Not everybody hates Lincoln and hopefully that doesn't become a litmus test in this movement.
The Ron Paul is Wrong about the Civil War" part is a disagreement -- the "And He Should Be Ashamed" was a little over the top.

But quoting DeVore on the 10th Amendment"


As for states not having the right to seceed, that is obvious, as the United States was created with the ratification of the Constitution hence only a legal dissolving of the same could allow a state to become independent. The states that voted for secession in 1860-61 could have followed the legal route in calling for a Constitutional convention or for an amendment to the Constitution allowing them to seceed, but they chose the route of rebellion and war instead.

Look, I am not trying to take away from DeVore, just to understand where he is coming from on some important issues. These days that 10th Amendment issue is a big point to many people -- especially to Conservatives, Libertarians and to Liberty Republicans.
 
The Ron Paul is Wrong about the Civil War" part is a disagreement -- the "And He Should Be Ashamed" was a little over the top.

But quoting DeVore on the 10th Amendment"


As for states not having the right to seceed, that is obvious, as the United States was created with the ratification of the Constitution hence only a legal dissolving of the same could allow a state to become independent. The states that voted for secession in 1860-61 could have followed the legal route in calling for a Constitutional convention or for an amendment to the Constitution allowing them to seceed, but they chose the route of rebellion and war instead.

Look, I am not trying to take away from DeVore, just to understand where he is coming from on some important issues. These days that 10th Amendment issue is a big point to many people -- especially to Conservatives, Libertarians and to Liberty Republicans.

You'll have to make up your mind whether his lack of understanding on issues you find important is going to prevent you from getting him in and Boxer out. Rarely have I found that special candidate with whom I agree 100%. And that includes Ron Paul.
 
Look, I am not trying to take away from DeVore, just to understand where he is coming from on some important issues. These days that 10th Amendment issue is a big point to many people -- especially to Conservatives, Libertarians and to Liberty Republicans.

From the article:

For years I have admired Congressman Ron Paul's principled stance on spending and the Constitution.

He seems to be familiar with Ron Paul's stances, and mostly agreed with them. Debates and disagreements about the Civil War, the 10th amendment, States rights, and how to apply the Constitution and Bill of Rights are common, even around here. DeVore may be a minarchist, so he might fit right in. And he would never disagree on anything with an Ancap... :rolleyes: :D
 
If you live in Cali, please support and donate to DeVore. He's not being included in the November 5th money bomb. And I'm not being given a reason why that is.
 
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If you live in Cali, please support and donate to DeVore. He's not being included in the November 5th money bomb. And I'm not being given a reason why that is.

Chuck is a candidate who can actually win a huge senate seat --- let's get him on the moneybomb!
 
Chuck is a candidate who can actually win a huge senate seat --- let's get him on the moneybomb!

Nah, I think it would be better if we just had our own money bomb for him. November 5th will probably be for anti-war candidates.
 
Chuck isnt an anti-war candidate?

I should say he isn't non-interventionalist. He seems to be more moderate on foreign policy. He's no Neo-Con but he is also no Ron Paul.

Q: What is your take on Foreign Policy?
A: "As for Foreign Policy (my degree is in this and I am an intelligence officer in the Army), I have never been a fan of direct foreign involvement. I liked the Reagan/Weinberger approach: promote freedom and liberty abroad by encouraging local people to work for it themselves (as we did in Poland and Central America)."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=211285

DeVore: "America must support Israel's right to defend itself against terrorists."

Chuck Devore's Facebook said:
Who can forget her confrontation with American hero Gen. David Petraeus back in 2007 when she called him a liar and then wrote a now laughable blog for the Huffington Post on September 14, 2007 which she headlined, “General Petraeus, Take Off the Rose-Colored Glasses” calling for an immediate end (read: “defeat”) to the war in Iraq.
 
DeVore: "America must support Israel's right to defend itself against terrorists."

Flash, can you provide a citation for that quote?

That makes me question my support. I had thought Chuck was more of a non-interventionist. Above is carte-blanche status-quo to supporting AIPAC initiatives that ultimately, in the long run, do harm to the United States.
 
Flash, can you provide a citation for that quote?

That makes me question my support. I had thought Chuck was more of a non-interventionist. Above is carte-blanche status-quo to supporting AIPAC initiatives that ultimately, in the long run, do harm to the United States.

Nah, I think you should still support him. I wouldn't mind having moderate interventionalists in the Congress. I just get annoyed at the Neo-Cons that immediently jump to war over every little thing. Dont' forget domestically he'll be the same as Rand Paul, it would be beneficial to have a Conservative ally in the Congress for Rand.

Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-191432368.html
 
Nah, I think you should still support him. I wouldn't mind having moderate interventionalists in the Congress. I just get annoyed at the Neo-Cons that immediently jump to war over every little thing. Dont' forget domestically he'll be the same as Rand Paul, it would be beneficial to have a Conservative ally in the Congress for Rand.

Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-191432368.html

I thank you for citing that quote for me --- much appreciated.

I am not sure I can really get behind him on foreign policy, but I certainly appreciate your point. As an American Jew who once was very pro-neoconservativism until I decided to actively participate and saw the backside of it, I hate seeing a country I love being used as a tool for pro-Israel policy, within the foreign-policy arena.

Now if policymakers naturally gravitated toward that point, I might be a little different...but the lobbying, guilting and outlandish justification while holding The Bible to put a Christian spin on everything was just too much.

If you travel the world, the idea of America is admired ALMOST EVERYWHERE, even in ISLAMIC countries. Believe me, foreigners see Americans of all races, creeds, colors and religions cooperating peacefully, being friends and neighbors, scholars, entrepreneurs and artists....most foreigners think of it as a wonderful example of what they could achieve. Unfortunately after they tell you how awesome they HAVE (past-tense) seen America, they frown and complain about how we are Imperialist in attitude now, that we demand it our way or no way, that a Jewish lobby pushes around our politicians and that we are perceived by the young generation (15-20) in many of these countries as an "evil empire". That, and it will only get worse if we as a country push harder to control others, and the even younger generations of foreigners grow up with a widely distorted view of America.

Apologies on the rant. I just wish we'd return to being the shining city upon the hill, as an example to others, and not stomp around the world trying to impose our "righteous" values, creating scores upon scores of enemies.

Most foreigners like Americans, and dislike American politicians.
 
Nah, I think you should still support him. I wouldn't mind having moderate interventionalists in the Congress. I just get annoyed at the Neo-Cons that immediently jump to war over every little thing. Dont' forget domestically he'll be the same as Rand Paul, it would be beneficial to have a Conservative ally in the Congress for Rand.

Source: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-191432368.html

Unless he's willing to close many of the 700+ military bases around the world it will be hard to get behind him. I know that he has a good track record of voting against taxes and government spending but one of the biggest parts of the budget is military spending and unless he agrees to lower that it'll be hard to get spending under control.
 
Unless he's willing to close many of the 700+ military bases around the world it will be hard to get behind him. I know that he has a good track record of voting against taxes and government spending but one of the biggest parts of the budget is military spending and unless he agrees to lower that it'll be hard to get spending under control.

Don't forget, the other options are Fiorina and Boxer. Chuck is the closet thing to a Ron Paul Republican in the race.

A true fiscal conservative should eventually come to the conclusion that there is far too much unnecessary government spending in all areas, including military, foreign aid (welfare), nation-building and policing the world.
 
DeVore is the best candidate in the race, but he probably doesn't deserve his own money bomb. Until he proves that he can work well enough on his own, we should stay out of that race. The Iraq quote sums it up pretty well for me, even though he is worlds better than Boxer.
 
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