Christians praying for Mandela’s recovery

[BlackTerrel]

Christians praying for Mandela’s recovery

The world is going to lose one of the few true heroes when he passes...

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christians.praying.for.mandelas.recovery/29391.htm

Christians are praying for former South African President Nelson Mandela as he recovers at home following surgery for an abdominal complaint.

The 93-year-old was discharged from hospital on Sunday following an overnight stay to uncover the cause of the discomfort.

Officials said Mandela was resting with family at his home in the Houghton area of Johannesburg.

His release from hospital will be a great relief to millions of South Africans who continue to adore the man who led the nation out of the dark years of apartheid.

The South African Council of Churches said it was praying for Mandela’s recovery.

“[The SACC] wishes the former President Nelson Mandela a speedy and full recovery,” the organisation tweeted.

Mandela was remembered by worshippers at the Regina Mundi church in Soweto during Sunday Mass.

The church that was a frequent gathering place for members of the anti-apartheid movement and a prominent stained glass window bears his image. Mandela was to later speak at the church in 1997, seven years after his release from prison.

Tom Nakeni was at the church on Sunday to pray for Mandela’s quick recovery.

He told the BBC: “We need him … the world needs him.”

 

[moderate libertarian]

Isn't it time US took him off from this list?

U.S. has Mandela on terrorist list - USATODAY.com
Apr 30, 2008 ... Nobel Peace Prize winner and international symbol of freedom Nelson Mandela
is flagged on U.S. terrorist watch lists and needs special ...

www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-30-watchlist_N.htm

Arafat was removed from list decades ago, why Mandela wasn't.

Hopefully he lives or leaves behind a prodigy who can be elected as PM in mideast democracy now that SA apartheid is over.

 

[BlackTerrel]

WASHINGTON — Nobel Peace Prize winner and international symbol of freedom Nelson Mandela is flagged on U.S. terrorist watch lists and needs special permission to visit the USA. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice calls the situation "embarrassing," and some members of Congress vow to fix it.

Well your article was from 2008. Sounds like hopefully that was fixed.

 

[smhbbag]

It's not embarrassing. It's embarrassing that such a totalitarian, Marxist-terrorist is praised by anyone to the right of Fidel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKO7MmJ60zY&feature=relmfu

 

[Kluge]

It's not embarrassing. It's embarrassing that such a totalitarian, Marxist-terrorist is praised by anyone to the right of Fidel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKO7MmJ60zY&feature=relmfu

While Mandela is obviously a flawed human being like the rest of us, it's pointless and harmful to embark on a mission to discredit the good he has done.

 

[smhbbag]

Is any word that I said false?

Is he not a Marxist? Is he not a totalitarian whose best friends make up a real-life Murderer's Row? Was he not a terrorist with the blood of children on his hands?

Failing to mention such minor parts of a 'flawed human being like the rest of us' is a pretty major oversight.

They made a celebrated movie based on his life, and somehow failed to mention WHY he was in prison, or why nobody (other than fellow terrorists in the ANC), including Amnesty International, objected to his trial or punishment. His prison sentence was, in fact, hailed for its leniency by liberal outlets around the world, because everyone acknowledged the severity of his crimes.

Nobody knows this stuff, and to pass over it as if it's unimportant is to contribute to public ignorance.

 

[sparebulb]

Was Mandela using communism to fight racism?

Or was he using racism to promote communism?

Either way, he's a despicable communist.

 

[FrankRep]

How to be a Good Communist
- Nelson Mandela, 2002

Archive.org
http://www.archive.org/details/HowToBeAGoodCommunist

 

[specsaregood]

Is any word that I said false?

That has nothing to do with what Kluge said. You seem to have completely missed the point.

 

[smhbbag]

That has nothing to do with what Kluge said. You seem to have completely missed the point.

It's precisely the point.

To say that Mandela is a 'flawed human being like the rest of us' whose good we shouldn't overlook, is to be one of two things: ignorant, or dishonest.

Either one needs to be pointed out. I tend to think folks just aren't facing the cold, hard reality of the facts. He was a terrorist by every definition of the term, and killed innocent people in the name of his racism and communism. He supports and befriends the worst of the worst, and then sets himself up as a victim and achieves world fame from a life story that simply never happened.

That is not 'a flawed human being like the rest of us.'

No, I am not a terrorist, nor a murderer, nor a radical, totalitarian Marxist. I am not a racist, and I don't sing songs longing for the extermination of any race. I don't have the balls to complain about how hard the sun hurt my eyes during the prison sentence I got for killing people.

Bin Laden has funded many charities. Hamas does humanitarian stuff.

I don't feel the need, nor should I feel the need, to point out that stuff when I speak of them as monsters. They're monsters, and I don't care if I gloss over the raindrop of falsely-motivated 'good' deeds that accompanied their terror.

 

[specsaregood]

It's precisely the point.
To say that Mandela is a 'flawed human being like the rest of us' whose good we shouldn't overlook, is to be one of two things: ignorant, or dishonest.

Uhm no. Perhaps that is why you needed to cherry pick that piece of the quote. Let's put the whole thing in context:

While Mandela is obviously a flawed human being like the rest of us, it's pointless and harmful to embark on a mission to discredit the good he has done.

I'm guessing you get the point now.

 

[smhbbag]

He is, and was, a very bad person. That is not public knowledge. It needs to be public knowledge.

You would never say the same thing, I hope, about leaders of terrorist organizations similar to the ANC. Many of them do a lot of good.

It is pointless and harmful to embark on a mission to suppress knowledge of their evil.

To speak of him this way reveals a fundamental non-acceptance of the significance of what he did.

Perhaps the savagery of his wife will jolt you back to reality. She said, in 1986, "we shall liberate this country with our our boxes of matches and our necklaces."
http://century.guardian.co.uk/1980-1989/Story/0,,110268,00.html

Necklacing is torture and execution by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire.

That's his wife. That's who she is. That's who he is. This statement was a mere 7 years before Mandela became the President of South Africa. And 6 years before he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

I submit that it is impossible for any decent human being to look at that honestly and then say "Well, we shouldn't discredit his good."

 

[Vanilluxe]

He is, and was, a very bad person. That is not public knowledge. It needs to be public knowledge.

You would never say the same thing, I hope, about leaders of terrorist organizations similar to the ANC. Many of them do a lot of good.

It is pointless and harmful to embark on a mission to suppress knowledge of their evil.

To speak of him this way reveals a fundamental non-acceptance of the significance of what he did.

Perhaps the savagery of his wife will jolt you back to reality. She said, in 1986, "we shall liberate this country with our our boxes of matches and our necklaces."
http://century.guardian.co.uk/1980-1989/Story/0,,110268,00.html

Necklacing is torture and execution by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire.

That's his wife. That's who she is. That's who he is. This statement was a mere 7 years before Mandela became the President of South Africa. And 6 years before he won the Nobel Peace Prize.

I submit that it is impossible for any decent human being to look at that honestly and then say "Well, we shouldn't discredit his good."

Mandela did not have the opportunity to do peaceful protest, because the government has already waged wars and raided black settlements suppressing liberty, he fought against the apartheid and won. It is just like George Washington who fought and killed British, because protesting won't work against the redcoats, is George Washington a terrorist? If we lost the revolution, we might think of him as an "evil" terrorist disrupting lives of colonist.

 

[smhbbag]

Mandela did not have the opportunity to do peaceful protest, because the government has already waged wars and raided black settlements suppressing liberty, he fought against the apartheid and won. It is just like George Washington who fought and killed British, because protesting won't work against the redcoats, is George Washington a terrorist? If we lost the revolution, we might think of him as an "evil" terrorist disrupting lives of colonist.

Get back to me when Washington turns out to have bombed public places, killed civilian men, women, and children on purpose, called for the total extermination of any race, and threw burning tires around the necks of countless people who were not involved in anything.

This world has officially gone mad.

 

[Vanilluxe]

Get back to me when Washington turns out to have bombed public places, killed civilian men, women, and children on purpose, called for the total extermination of any race, and threw burning tires around the necks of countless people who were not involved in anything.

This world has officially gone mad.

There were lots of farm collateral damage and the Battle of Trenton and Yorktown received lots of artillery barrage. Also the government destroyed massive mounts of black settlements and machine gunned down teenagers in peaceful protest. Mandela lead a revolution against the racist and suppressive Apartheid regime.

 

[smhbbag]

You have to be kidding.

 

[Vanilluxe]

You have to be kidding.

I thought you were kidding

 

[Aus4RP]

Isn't there a video of Mandela singing "kill all the white men" getting around the net?

 

[smhbbag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc

But don't worry. George Washington would have done that, too.

 

[robert68]

There were lots of farm collateral damage and the Battle of Trenton and Yorktown received lots of artillery barrage. Also the government destroyed massive mounts of black settlements and machine gunned down teenagers in peaceful protest. Mandela lead a revolution against the racist and suppressive Apartheid regime.

Also:

...As the British concentrated on the southern United States in 1779, General George Washington took action against the Iroquois.

He instructed General John Sullivan to attack and destroy Iroquois villages in upper New York. Leading about 5,000 troops, Sullivan defeated the Iroquois in the Battle of Newtown, then destroyed over 40 Iroquois villages and all their stored crops in the fall of 1779. Because of the social disruption and crop losses, some Iroquois men, women, and children died of starvation that winter. Many of the Iroquois retreated to Fort Niagara and other parts of Canada, where they spent a cold and hungry winter...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Indian_War#American_Revolution