Christians For Ron Paul TIME To Step Up

[vechorik]

This should help tremendously:

Breaking news: "U.S. Warns Israel on Strike"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...7074.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop

This is the perfect opportunity for Ron Paul to win the "I stand with Israel" contest. The US is telling Israel not to strike Iran. Ron Paul would not tell Israel what they can or cannot do, and would allow them to strike Iran if they felt it was necessary (just as he was the only person in Congress to defend their strike against Iraq several decades ago).

Ron Paul can is more pro-Israel and more pro-defense than the current US leadership and the current presidential candidates COMBINED.

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James 1:25

“Whoever looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues in it,

he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work,

this man shall be blessed in his deed.”

 

[Captain Shays]

the american exceptionalism imperialistic christianity is very difficult to call out and denounce. it's been so programmed into so many professing christians and is further reinforced by the US government's military might and US fiat currency, credit-based, debt-driven economy that has led to a life of ultra comfort and zero persecution.

the people that refer to themselves as "watchers on the wall" are the ones supporting and encouraging the US interventionist policy. that interventionism has been a tool by which satan has/is using to lead the world into a consolidation of centralized power-- where nations are merely symbolic in nature and there is no sovereignty-- especially that of the individual-- and we WILL be persecuted.

"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand." Ephesians 6

You and me (and others) could go on for DAYS with this line. The whole war-bible-country-guns-killing-wave the flag sort of thing. That to the emergence of a one world government and Christians fighting, killing dying for UN causes. We could also include the Christian warrior song while fighting for freedom but not asking "what are my freedoms doing in Kuwait or Bosnia or Somalia or Tiawan"? You mentioned Satan. Who's foreign policy would he favor and who's foreign policy would Jesus favor? Maybe we can make wrist bands that say something like "who would Jesus kill"? Or, "I am pro life and pro war" or "abortions don't count when the mother is in some other country then it's collateral damage.
That all said, it's so ingrained in their thinking and I know because it was once ingrained in my thinking when I thought like that only God can take it away and open their eyes. I think He will eventually

 

[Captain Shays]

This should help tremendously:

Breaking news: "U.S. Warns Israel on Strike"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...7074.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop

This is the perfect opportunity for Ron Paul to win the "I stand with Israel" contest. The US is telling Israel not to strike Iran. Ron Paul would not tell Israel what they can or cannot do, and would allow them to strike Iran if they felt it was necessary (just as he was the only person in Congress to defend their strike against Iraq several decades ago).

Ron Paul can is more pro-Israel and more pro-defense than the current US leadership and the current presidential candidates COMBINED.

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James 1:25

“Whoever looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues in it,

he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work,

this man shall be blessed in his deed.”

Why should the US warn Israel to take out a threat that most of the brave leaders in this country are so concerned about? It's like saying Israel you don't have a right to defend yourselves you must wait for us to defend you instead. WWIII anyone?

 

[flightlesskiwi]

Why should the US warn Israel to take out a threat that most of the brave leaders in this country are so concerned about? It's like saying Israel you don't have a right to defend yourselves you must wait for us to defend you instead. WWIII anyone?

tptb are setting this up to be a joint effort.

the US military and the dollar (and the people) are eventually going to be used up, tossed down and trampled on. after that, then will be the only chance i see of any eyes being opened, if it's not too late.

 

[Captain Shays]

I think we should get very graphic with Christians. I would start out my flyer or video with the REAL history of our involvement in the Middle East.
We could go back as far as General Smedly Butler if we want with some of his prescient quotes.
Or, we could begin with the overthrow of Mosedec and then show how brutal the Shah was and how that fomented the Iranian Revolution. But we shouldn't leave out graphic images of the 100,000 people who died in chemical attacks by Saddam because some nut bag in our government sold that mad man those weapons. How would Christians feel if one of our enemies sold another whether a terrorist or another country chemical weapons and 100,000 Americans died like that with contorted faces of mothers clutching their babies as they died? How can ANY Christian support these interventions? We MUST reach them! We must make them aware! How.

Come one guys help me out here. This is urgent

 

[Captain Shays]

tptb are setting this up to be a joint effort.

the US military and the dollar (and the people) are eventually going to be used up, tossed down and trampled on. after that, then will be the only chance i see of any eyes being opened, if it's not too late.

No doubt about it. Thank you for your insights

 

[SaulPaulinsky]

The first post on this thread addresses how to tailor the Iran/Israel message to evangelicals, before being railroaded. Oh well, at least it increased the number of views the thread got. But I wouldn't suggest reading much past the first post because it gets deep into how to argue with people that what they've been taught in church is wrong -- not going to be effective in getting people to vote for Paul.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?351139-Tailoring-Iran-message-to-evangelicals

 

[jmdrake]

I'm an evangelical Christian as well. And I love Ron Paul. I'm having an extremely difficult time with my friends and family on two issues: homosexuality and our bases all over the world and in particular the Iran issue.

In interviews Ron Paul is very humble on his view of homosexuals. But because he doesn't outright condemn homosexuality as a Christian (even if it doesn't really matter politically) my conservative Christian friends and family have a problem. "He's not taking a stand personally!"

Have them read Romans 1 and 2. Most Christians stop at part of Romans 1.

1:24 Therefore God gave them over 48 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor 49 their bodies among themselves. 50 1:25 They 51 exchanged the truth of God for a lie 52 and worshiped and served the creation 53 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 54 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 55 and were inflamed in their passions 56 for one another. Men 57 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, 58 God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 59 1:29 They are filled 60 with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with 61 envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, 1:31 senseless, covenant-breakers, 62 heartless, ruthless. 1:32 Although they fully know 63 God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, 64 they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them. 65

But look at all the things besides homosexuality that is being condemned here. But here's what Romans 2 says:

2:1 Therefore 2 you are without excuse, 3 whoever you are, 4 when you judge someone else. 5 For on whatever grounds 6 you judge another, you condemn yourself, because you who judge practice the same things. 2:2 Now we know that God’s judgment is in accordance with truth 7 against those who practice such things. 2:3 And do you think, 8 whoever you are, when you judge 9 those who practice such things and yet do them yourself, 10 that you will escape God’s judgment? 2:4 Or do you have contempt for the wealth of his kindness, forbearance, and patience, and yet do not know 11 that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2:5 But because of your stubbornness 12 and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourselves in the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment is revealed! 13 2:6 He 14 will reward 15 each one according to his works: 16

Christians who want to judge others including homosexuals are violating the word of God according to Romans 2.

On Iran and our worldwide empire, they are saying things out of fear and apparently are OK with all the spending to "keep us safe."

I'm trying to say things in a way that will relate to their perspective... but having a hard time.

That shows a lack of faith in Jesus.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Also realize that Iran was trying to be friends with us post 9/11. Please share this information with your family.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Iran-critics&p=3458149&viewfull=1#post3458149

 

[frodus24]

"On Iran and our worldwide empire, they are saying things out of fear and apparently are OK with all the spending to "keep us safe."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I have asked numerous people who feel the same way and I ask them how are the taxpayers going to pay for it? America is broke!

 

[coffeewithgames]

I just said, "As the government gets bigger, the church gets smaller."

 

[sdsubball23]

Have them read Romans 1 and 2. Most Christians stop at part of Romans 1.

1:24 Therefore God gave them over 48 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor 49 their bodies among themselves. 50 1:25 They 51 exchanged the truth of God for a lie 52 and worshiped and served the creation 53 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 54 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 55 and were inflamed in their passions 56 for one another. Men 57 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, 58 God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 59 1:29 They are filled 60 with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with 61 envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, 1:31 senseless, covenant-breakers, 62 heartless, ruthless. 1:32 Although they fully know 63 God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, 64 they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them. 65

But look at all the things besides homosexuality that is being condemned here. But here's what Romans 2 says:

2:1 Therefore 2 you are without excuse, 3 whoever you are, 4 when you judge someone else. 5 For on whatever grounds 6 you judge another, you condemn yourself, because you who judge practice the same things. 2:2 Now we know that God’s judgment is in accordance with truth 7 against those who practice such things. 2:3 And do you think, 8 whoever you are, when you judge 9 those who practice such things and yet do them yourself, 10 that you will escape God’s judgment? 2:4 Or do you have contempt for the wealth of his kindness, forbearance, and patience, and yet do not know 11 that God’s kindness leads you to repentance? 2:5 But because of your stubbornness 12 and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourselves in the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment is revealed! 13 2:6 He 14 will reward 15 each one according to his works: 16

Christians who want to judge others including homosexuals are violating the word of God according to Romans 2.



That shows a lack of faith in Jesus.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Also realize that Iran was trying to be friends with us post 9/11. Please share this information with your family.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Iran-critics&p=3458149&viewfull=1#post3458149

I believe Romans 2 is telling Christians.not to judge others with hypocrisy meaning if they are practicing the same things they are judging in others. I don't think there's anything wrong with judging others as long as its with good intentions.

 

[Comrade]

Yes, I may be an atheist bordering on hippie beliefs, but imo I believe that Ron Paul is closer to what the founding Fathers and what your so-called 'God' had in mind.

 

[Bonnieblue]

I am a Christian. I have supported Ron Paul before he became a candidate in 2007 looking to 2008. I know many Christians who are not supporting Ron Paul based on their perception of his position on gay marriage, on abortion, on Israel and on the wars of the empire as well as the empire itself; however, there are no few of us who do support Dr. Paul based on the evil of a debased currency and based on the evil of wars waged well outside the Christian Just War Doctrine, wars which have brought suffering to fellow Christians in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Kosovo, and likely in Syria and in Iran.

Although gay marriage is an anathema and abortion is an abomination, I understand Dr. Paul's position and actually support that position that such is not in the purview of the general government but is, constitutionally, a matter for the people of individual states.

 

[Captain Shays]

I am a Christian. I have supported Ron Paul before he became a candidate in 2007 looking to 2008. I know many Christians who are not supporting Ron Paul based on their perception of his position on gay marriage, on abortion, on Israel and on the wars of the empire as well as the empire itself; however, there are no few of us who do support Dr. Paul based on the evil of a debased currency and based on the evil of wars waged well outside the Christian Just War Doctrine, wars which have brought suffering to fellow Christians in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Tunisia, in Egypt, in Kosovo, and likely in Syria and in Iran.

Although gay marriage is an anathema and abortion is an abomination, I understand Dr. Paul's position and actually support that position that such is not in the purview of the general government but is, constitutionally, a matter for the people of individual states.

Very well stated Bonnie

 

[Theocrat]

"The Bible & Ron Paul"

The following is the beginning of a series of videos created by my dear friend Adam discussing why Christians should support Ron Paul, specifically because Ron Paul's platform is supported by the Scriptures:

 

[flightlesskiwi]

dedicated to those in the crowd who booed Ron's reference to Matthew 7:12...

Jesus counsels his followers in John 15:18-25:

18“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. 21But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. 22If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23Whoever hates me hates my Father also. 24If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. 25But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: ‘They hated me without a cause.'

also refer to Jeremiah 23 (especially v. 16 & 17). this mentality isn't new.

 

[eloquensanity]

Are Christians even aware that 90% of the "Jews" in the world today are not even descended from Abraham, but instead are descendants of the Khazar kingdom that converted to Judaism during the Middle Ages?

Jesus Christs words to the 2 churches that he found no fault with, They know the truth. The other churches were all lacking in one way or another.

Revelation 2

8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.


Revelation 3

7And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.



Jesus explaining the parable of the tares to his disciples

Matthew 13


35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



The tares are in government, education, finance and also the church and this is why they attack a righteous man.
If Jesus Christ and the antichrist were running for president most Christians would support the antichrist because they would believe his lies, and would call Jesus Christ "dangerous" because of the Golden Rule, and the fact that he forgives sin.