Christians For Ron Paul TIME To Step Up

[simon1911]

How about sending them this blog post: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/100998.html

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Believe me. I have had a fair share of very heated,and angry debates with friends and family members over the bible. I have used scripture to demolish their little world views and liberal foreign policy and it doesnt make them happy campers.


I have friends who have been debating their parents as well.

 

[Captain Shays]

Believe me. I have had a fair share of very heated,and angry debates with friends and family members over the bible. I have used scripture to demolish their little world views and liberal foreign policy and it doesnt make them happy campers.


I have friends who have been debating their parents as well.

But they CAN be reached and we CAN change their minds. If not, we can use the tactic I read somewhere......oh yeah I think it was the bible. Plant seeds and someone else will come along and water them.

They must face how they can support constant wars and still claim to be followers of the Prince of Peace.

Did you guys know where that universal peace symbol that came out in the 1970's actully came from? Well pagans, and witches view Christians as war makers and murders so they figure that if they can subvert Christianity if not break it completely forever they will have peace. The symbol is actually a broken crucifix and then inverted.
Our symbol for Christians For Ron Paul should be in one caption that universal peace symbol, then in the next caption it turns up a little and the arms come down a little. In each caption it turns a little more upright and the arms come down a little more until it becomes again a crucifix with the words "real peace" above it.

Christians don't want to be hypocrites or disobient to God. When faced with the history or even what others percieve the history to be which is that they have been war makers not peace makers as Jesus wanted them to be, they would be hit hard in the face with their own hypicrisy.
But I would also like to show them that they have been duped into being hypocrites. They have followed false shepherds. They have been lied to. They have been used and played like a fiddle into believing that they are justified in going into other countries and killing people under the guise of "just cause" while ignoring the Christian Just War Principles.

We can show them that Israel will never be destroyed so when they hear someone like Santorum say that he won't allow Israel to be destroyed they will see him as the liar and hypocrite that he is. When they hear people imply that Israel would be destroyed without the United States we can show them from scripture where they are wrong and worse. That it's even a form of blasphemy to say that. All the while of course without giving the impression that we would in any way abandon Israel. But, we can love Israel and support Israel without going to war for them or robbing the American people of their hard earned income to support Israel financially. One simpe fact is that if the government isn't giving money to Israel they can reach into their own pockets to send to Israel any time they want. If they are conservatives who resent the government taking money to give charity for them as a socialist would do then why don't they resent the government taking their money to give nation charity to?

We don't have much time! We NEED to get together to make effective flyers and videos that are specific to Christians BEFORE South Carolina.

Who can make videos? Who can make flyers? Let's get together on the content and make something powerful. COME ON GUYS

 

[Liberty74]

I'm an evangelical Christian as well. And I love Ron Paul. I'm having an extremely difficult time with my friends and family on two issues: homosexuality and our bases all over the world and in particular the Iran issue.

In interviews Ron Paul is very humble on his view of homosexuals. But because he doesn't outright condemn homosexuality as a Christian (even if it doesn't really matter politically) my conservative Christian friends and family have a problem. "He's not taking a stand personally!"

On Iran and our worldwide empire, they are saying things out of fear and apparently are OK with all the spending to "keep us safe."

I'm trying to say things in a way that will relate to their perspective... but having a hard time.

Ask them if they want other countries building bases in their back yards and occupying America? Then what about the Golden Rule?

Ask them how two gay adults living together effects their life under their roof? It doesn't!!!

In regards to war - ask them if they ever heard of the Just War Theory that Ron Paul follows and the only person following it who is running. This makes other Christians and candidates somewhat hypocrites just like in the Golden Rule.

Sound money? Ron Paul takes that right out of the bible.

Paul doesn't "take a stand personally." He actually does. He doesn't agree with it. However, that does not give Paul the right to enforce his lifestyle/views on others. It's called freedom and liberty which many Christians are against. The younger crowd gets this and overwhelmingly supports at least unions for the gay community while the older crowd are stuck in their hateful ways.

 

[PastaRocket848]

what is the difference between an "evangelical" christian and a run-of-the-mill christian? serious question...

 

[Davy Crockett]

Did you guys know where that universal peace symbol that came out in the 1970's actully came from?

Wrong.

It comes from an ancient alphabet, or futhark, used in Northern Europe for many centuries before the general adoption of the Roman alphabet there. The Life Rune signifies life, creation, birth, rebirth, and renewal.

 

[lilymc]

We believe these may be the end times and deception is rampant. Now, we see it trying to destroy a good man's name and honor. They are coming at him from every direction. Why? Because he is the oNLY ONE who uoholds the rule of law. He is the ONLY ONE who hasn't been corrupted by the powers of money and intrigue and the globalists. He is the ONLY ONE who adheres to the Christian Just War Principles and actually follows in practice not just in words the Prince of Peace. He may not wear his religion on his shirt sleeve but he actually LIVES it in legislation, his words and his entire life.

I've been thinking about this lately, and as crazy as it may sound to some, I've been seeing some truly bizarre things recently that have caused me to ask that question, are we getting near the end? Because what I've been seeing is just what the bible talks about - major deception, people straying from sound doctrine, etc.

I recently got in some "debates" with 2 online friends of mine, both who are professed Christians and both were are EXTREME neocons and RP haters. I was smeared and personally attacked by both of them, and I have never seen anything like it. They are SO blind, unreasonable, as stubborn as can be, and completely twist the truth around. Last night the second guy (who sadly has been a friend for many years) said some things to me that were so vicious and hurtful that I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. He said, "Get behind me satan" (to me) and accused me of being the very things that HE was being at that moment. (judgmental, liar, etc.) It was ugly, and bizarre. Which leads me to wonder, are we really dealing with this mass deception, because that's how it appears. The good news is, I HAVE seen some people who were once strong neocons realize they were wrong and come over to Ron Paul.... so, there is hope. But for some, it just seems absolutely impossible to get through.

Sorry for the venting there, but I just couldn't believe what has been happening recently.

 

[Nathan Rahl]

I am both an evangelical pastor and a national guard chaplain. These positions seem to give me a great advantage in any discussion with others concerning Ron Paul, because I can speak with authority from both a theological and military perspective. I think I have probably converted more people to Ron Paul's philosophy in the last few months than I have to Christianity in general (though I certainly believe the philosophy of liberty is in keeping with scripture and shares many of the same tenets such as personal fiscal and moral responsibility, human freedom of the will, persuasion over coercion, peace rather than violence, etc, etc.). Though I know that my unique position does not help other Christians, who are supporting Ron Paul, with the effort to convince their peers "per se," I would encourage them to enlist those who can speak from authority on the issues you are discussing by pointing to youtube videos of them articulating the positions or trying to arrange it so they are with you when you talk to these people. You might even ask to speak to your own pastor, elders, deacons, etc. and talk with them about Ron Paul and his positions. If you can win over church leaders through persuasion, they can then speak to others with the authority that comes from their position as well.

 

[Liberty74]

I've been thinking about this lately, and as crazy as it may sound to some, I've been seeing some truly bizarre things recently that have caused me to ask that question, are we getting near the end? Because what I've been seeing is just what the bible talks about - major deception, people straying from sound doctrine, etc.

I recently got in some "debates" with 2 online friends of mine, both who are professed Christians and both were are EXTREME neocons and RP haters. I was smeared and personally attacked by both of them, and I have never seen anything like it. They are SO blind, unreasonable, as stubborn as can be, and completely twist the truth around. Last night the second guy (who sadly has been a friend for many years) said some things to me that were so vicious and hurtful that I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. He said, "Get behind me satan" (to me) and accused me of being the very things that HE was being at that moment. (judgmental, liar, etc.) It was ugly, and bizarre. Which leads me to wonder, are we really dealing with this mass deception, because that's how it appears. The good news is, I HAVE seen some people who were once strong neocons realize they were wrong and come over to Ron Paul.... so, there is hope. But for some, it just seems absolutely impossible to get through.

Sorry for the venting there, but I just couldn't believe what has been happening recently.

Ask your Christian friends why they do not support the Just War Theory and the Golden Rule?

 

[Davy Crockett]

..........since we currently give more money to Israel's enemies than we give to Israel.

Wrong, just look up foreign aid by country and you will see that Israel's enemies does not get nearly the same aid as Israel does.

The nature of US foreign aid to Israel

Constitutes 30% of the total US foreign aid budget, which renders Israel to be the largest recipient of US aid in the world

Since 1987, the US congress has annually been approving a foreign aid bill totaling an average of $3 billion to Israel, $1.2 billion in economical aid, and $1.8 billion in military aid.

After the gulf war in 1991, the US has additionally been offering Israel $2 billion annually in federal loan guarantees, which brings the total US foreign aid to Israel to about $5 billion, or $13.7 million per day. This amount excludes the approximate $1.5 billion in total tax-deductible private donations from numerous Jewish charities and individual donors.

All in all, this is the largest amount of foreign aid given to a country, and constitutes 30% of the total amount of US foreign aid budget.



Are Christians even aware that 90% of the "Jews" in the world today are not even descended from Abraham, but instead are descendants of the Khazar kingdom that converted to Judaism during the Middle Ages?

One of the propounders of the hypothesis concerning the Khazar origins of Jewry is the Professor of Mediaeval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, A. N. Poliak. His book Khazaria (in Hebrew) was published in 1944 in Tel Aviv, and a second edition in 1951.[5] In his introduction he writes that the facts demand —

a new approach, both to the problem of the relations between the Khazar Jewry and other Jewish communities, and to the question of how far we can go in regarding this [Khazar] Jewry as the nucleus of the large Jewish settlement in EasternEurope. … The descendants of this settlement — those who stayed where they were, those who emigrated to the United States and to other countries, and those who went to Israel — constitute now the large majority of world Jewry.

This was written before the full extent of the holocaust was known, but that does not alter the fact that the large majority of surviving Jews in the world is of Eastern European — and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar — origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the Volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[MadOdorMachine]

I'm beginning to think it's not God's will for him to get elected. Most people didn't even accept Christ when he was here so it's not surprise. The Christians in this country have not repented. We've been attacked on 9/11, had hurricane Katrina, just went thru one of the worst droughts in history and are in dire economic straights. God is calling out to us, but we aren't listening. I honestly don't know what to do because Christians seem to convinced on going to war with Iran. Read your bible though. It's all God's plan. I believe we are very close to the tribulation period. I was hoping God might spare America, but I'm beginning to get a little pessimistic about it.

 

[lilymc]

Ask your Christian friends why they do not support the Just War Theory and the Golden Rule?

Their position is that what we have been doing in the Middle East is justified and necessary, and they are absolutely convinced that "Islamofascism" is the biggest threat facing the US and the world. I did try to get them to see the Christian aspect of it, and that they are going against Jesus' teachings, but they ignored that and instead claim that even christians have the right to "self-defense" and they seem to truly think we are helping the people in the ME, and that we're the "good guys."

So, it's hard to convince someone that we are not following the Golden Rule, when they are convinced that WE are good, and fighting the evil of "Islamofacism." /sigh

 

[Captain Shays]

I am an Evangelical Christian who supports Dr. Ron Paul.

What baffles me the most about evangelicals not supporting Paul is that besides Perry (who will be out soon), Paul is the only Evangelical Christian in the race. There are two Mormons and two Catholics (and very slimy ones at that), and evangelical Christians are supporting them?!?!

I think it should be pointed out that Paul is the only evangelical in the running. Also, most Christians are not aware of the fact that Ron Paul will be, in his own words, the most pro-life President in history. It's also important to point out that by cutting all foreign aid, Paul will be helping Israel, since we currently give more money to Israel's enemies than we give to Israel.

We should certainly include that information in whatever materials we out out. It's very important for Christians to know that before they cast a vote

 

[Captain Shays]

I'm beginning to think it's not God's will for him to get elected. Most people didn't even accept Christ when he was here so it's not surprise. The Christians in this country have not repented. We've been attacked on 9/11, had hurricane Katrina, just went thru one of the worst droughts in history and are in dire economic straights. God is calling out to us, but we aren't listening. I honestly don't know what to do because Christians seem to convinced on going to war with Iran. Read your bible though. It's all God's plan. I believe we are very close to the tribulation period. I was hoping God might spare America, but I'm beginning to get a little pessimistic about it.

A lot of things are going to happen not only in America but in the entire world. We Christians KNOW this. We KNOW there will be a one world govt. We KNOW there will be a cashless financial system. We KNOW lawlessness will increase and most people's love will grow cold. We KNOW these things will happen relatively soon. All the signs are here.
But that doesn't mean we're supposed to give up the fight. While we are here we're called to be salt and light. Salt to hold back corruption and light to bring people to Christ and to reveal the deeds they do in darkness.
Christians have been deceived. If we support Ron Paul it means we've been given the gift of discernment and I am not saying that in a bragadocious way. It just is.

Whether Ron Paul "wins" or not is not for us to question and as those who know, it will remain our job for the rest of our time on earth that we've been given, to bring light to God's people.

They have been separated by imaginary lines of demarcation "left" "right" "center" "liberal" "conservative" "democrat" republican"., Do you think that our Lord would want us to eat each other in this realm that is ruled by the powers and principalities of the air in a fallen world system? Do you think that God would want us or ANY Christian to support politicians who are helping to facilitate Satan's plan for a one world government that his antichrist will then use to murder untold millions of end times Christians?

This isn't just a political campaign for us. This is a spiritual battle. So don't give up.

 

[Captain Shays]

Their position is that what we have been doing in the Middle East is justified and necessary, and they are absolutely convinced that "Islamofascism" is the biggest threat facing the US and the world. I did try to get them to see the Christian aspect of it, and that they are going against Jesus' teachings, but they ignored that and instead claim that even christians have the right to "self-defense" and they seem to truly think we are helping the people in the ME, and that we're the "good guys."

So, it's hard to convince someone that we are not following the Golden Rule, when they are convinced that WE are good, and fighting the evil of "Islamofacism." /sigh

THIS!!!!!

 

[Captain Shays]

Wrong.

It comes from an ancient alphabet, or futhark, used in Northern Europe for many centuries before the general adoption of the Roman alphabet there. The Life Rune signifies life, creation, birth, rebirth, and renewal.

Your symbol is upright. The "peace" symbol is inverted. It really is a broken cross turned upside down. The pagans blame Christians for most wars so if they can eradicate Christianity they can have "peace".

 

[vechorik]

Ron Paul's full speech at the Value Voters' Summit is full of gems, Bible quotes and stories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnj-5z9NJoY

 

[Captain Shays]

Ron Paul's full speech at the Value Voters' Summit is full of gems, Bible quotes and stories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnj-5z9NJoY

Great stuff. Thank you.

Here is also a link to Pastor Chuck Baldwin's website. In case some of you don't know, Ron Paul endorsed Baldwin's candidacy for the Constitution Party in 08 and the only reason he ran was because he was angry at Ron Paul for not running as a third party candidate.(it was a friendly anger)
Anyway there is a great wealth of information for Christians that we should definitely link up to in whatever materials we give out in my opinion. He also puts out a weekly news letter that you can have delivered directly to your inbox

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/

 

[Dr_SCN]

I'm beginning to think it's not God's will for him to get elected. Most people didn't even accept Christ when he was here so it's not surprise. The Christians in this country have not repented. We've been attacked on 9/11, had hurricane Katrina, just went thru one of the worst droughts in history and are in dire economic straights. God is calling out to us, but we aren't listening. I honestly don't know what to do because Christians seem to convinced on going to war with Iran. Read your bible though. It's all God's plan. I believe we are very close to the tribulation period. I was hoping God might spare America, but I'm beginning to get a little pessimistic about it.

The above may be true, but I agree that we have to fight on anyway. That's what Jesus and Paul taught us.

At the same time, it is so hard to pray for this country, to pray for God's mercy, when I know how astray this country has gone. All you have to do is turn on an episode of Jersey Shore and you can immediately see how sinful our nation has become. I include myself in this-- I know I am not the Christian that I should be.

One thing I want to point out about Ron Paul's libertarian views is this: Did God not give us the right to choose to do good or bad? He put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there, he asked us not to eat of it, but he gave us the choice. Why do Christians want to remove all the choices from life even when their creator seems happy to give them choices? Why do we want to outlaw everything that WE say is evil or bad?

 

[flightlesskiwi]

glad to see i'm not the only one confronted with this.

ah, well. i've found i can make a dent in the people i know personally, but dealing with people on the internetz is a different story.

Their position is that what we have been doing in the Middle East is justified and necessary, and they are absolutely convinced that "Islamofascism" is the biggest threat facing the US and the world. I did try to get them to see the Christian aspect of it, and that they are going against Jesus' teachings, but they ignored that and instead claim that even christians have the right to "self-defense" and they seem to truly think we are helping the people in the ME, and that we're the "good guys."

So, it's hard to convince someone that we are not following the Golden Rule, when they are convinced that WE are good, and fighting the evil of "Islamofacism." /sigh

THIS!!!!!