Christians: Can you vote for gay marriage and still be true to your faith?

[eredeath]

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[jkm1864]

Some how the idea of two guys plugging each other doesn't seem to be a institution created by God. No I don't believe in Gay marriage and I think the idea is totally disgusting. Now if they want civil partnerships or what ever the state calls it I'm all for it if the Church has the right to refuse the wedding. Now We know those sick little puppies are going to punish the church with law suites for refusing to marry them don't we. So until all parties are protected screw them ... They will continue their disgusting practices but don't expect the rest of us to agree what they are doing is normal because its not.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes you are right. I am a notary public. in Florida, a notary public has the authority to marry people. I am against gay marriage..it is against my religion. So, I suspect I could get sued if I denied my services to a gay couple. I won't do it. That's that. I'll relinquist my notary license. Tones

 

[eredeath]

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[Krugerrand]

1. As long as government hands out marriage licenses, marriage is not a religious issue. It has fully entered into the realm of a social issue. Gay people getting married by the state is not harmful, immoral or corrupting to our nation (just like a black person sitting at a bar, or women voting isn't). I like many of you are against government handing out marriage certificates and should be left up to the various religious institutions (even if its just two people drinking chicken blood standing up and saying they are married), but as long as it is, marriage should be for everyone.

You are correct that marriage is not a religious issue. Is gay marriage harmful, immoral or corrupting our nation? People on different sides argue that one.

2. It is wrong to degregate a gay person's relationship by telling them you don't recognize them as married. What if i called your spouse of X many years your "life partner" or "long-time companion" and refused to acknowledge your marriage? I'm sure you wouldn't like that, just like the gay community wouldn't.

Who are you to tell somebody if it is right or wrong to degrade a persons relationship? Who are you to tell me what I must recognize? I don't really care if you acknowledge my marriage.

3. The definition of marriage has changed throughout the centuries. Before god, there were marriages, usually for social or economical standing. In places where god doesn't exist (such as tribal people unexposed to the major religions of today) people get married. Buddhists, atheists and general non-believers get married. This isn't something the bible made up and said it is the joining of two people before god. No, marriage has been around longer than the bible and in places where the bible doesn't exist. Who are you to impose your ideologies on two people that want to have their long-term commitment recognized equal to others?

Of course, some people will argue that God came before marriage. But, you are right that marriage has been around longer than the bible.

Who are you to impose your ideologies on me who wants to pick and choose what relationships I recognize?

Yes, the government should be out of the marriage business. But, let's face it, the marriage license is only used to force other people to recognize the relationship (and generate some revenue). Not allowing gay people to marry does not alter their relationship with one another in any way. It only means that other people are not allowed to choose how they want to recognize the relationship. If I do not want to recognize left-handed people as being married, that should be my right to do so. If I only want to recognize people as married if they are over 6-foot tall, that should be my right. Boycott my business. Do not work for me if you do not like it. Let me deal with the repercussions of my decisions.

The talk about "I may think such and such but I do not want to tell other people what to do" is way off the mark in gay marriage. If you do not want to tell other people what to do, do not try and force them to recognize something they do not want to.

(and can we get this moved out of economics section?)

 

[eredeath]

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[Working Poor]

I cannot see what my faith has to do with gay marriage...

 

[TonySutton]

Here is a perfect example showing the discrimination of banning/disallowing gay marriage.

In 2004, Representative Gerry Studds married Dean Hara in MA. Two years later Gerry Studds died. Dean Hara was denied Gerry Studds' federal pension because federal law does not recognize gay marriage. Dean Hara and Gerry Studds had been together since 1991.

Now, had Gerry Studds married an 18 year old woman in MA the same year he died. This woman would have received his federal pension for the rest of her life.

Sources:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101800205.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

 

[heavenlyboy34]

qft!!!

i'm a born again christian.

Marriage isn't dictated or authorized by government. Therefore, the government should have no role in marriage. This is how everybody wins. Then gays can get married (in their eyes), but i and 70% of other americans don't have to recognize them as married. And contrarily, heterosexuals can get married, but the gays (or anyone else) doesn't have to recognize them as married.

As long as government gives us a license (which, in a way, is permission) to get married, then they are denying gays the right to get married (as it stands now), or forcing tons of americans to recognize gay marriage (once the government "legalizes" it down the road).

So we should do what ron paul says: Get the government out of marriage. Marriage is a religious institution. When i made my vows, it was between myself, my wife, and the almighty. I don't care if the government recognizes me as married, and i don't care if adam and steve from the bay area recognize me as married. I didn't even want to get a state marriage license but my wife wouldn't go along with it.



Ron paul on gay marriage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgabab_os84

ron paul on gays in the military:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnrkujjazu&feature=related


i know that gay marriage is a money maker for wedding business, but why is this in the economics section?

Word

 

[tremendoustie]

I'm a christian, and I abstained on prop 8. Marriage is a moral issue, not an issue for the state. Therefore, the state does not have the right to define marriage as including homosexual couples, and it does not have a right to define it as excluding homosexual couples. It doesn't have a right to define it period, and supporting any such definition would be to support the idea that the government can legislate morality.

 

[Josh_LA]

of course you can, you can make it legal to do bad things as long as you are responsible and dont do it yourself.

 

[tremendoustie]

of course you can, you can make it legal to do bad things as long as you are responsible and dont do it yourself.

I would not want any homosexual behavior to be illegal. What I object to is the hubris of the government defining "marriage", which has been around for thousands of years. They have no right to define a moral state, one way or another.

It would be as if they made legal requirements to be an "honest person", and starting defining what little white lies one could and could not tell and still be considered honest. I would not vote on which white lies are ok, because I would object to the government having the arrogance to define "honest person" in the first place. It is none of their business.