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chrono187 said:
Debate me with Scripture, but stay on topic. We're not exactly having a debate about iconography vs idolatry. That's not the subject matter of what I brought to the table. If you want to use Caucasian iconography with regards to the Christ, that's fine. All I'm saying is that, in my opinion, those images are totally erroneous and not congruent with Scripture.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion, but just understand that because you take two verses of Scripture describing a vision full of symbolism and misinterpret it doesn't mean your opinion is correct or that I should consider you trustworthy, especially when an entire innumerable amount of witnesses spanning back 2000 years speak and proclaim opposite of what you say.

Please note, the amount of melatonin in the skin of Jesus Christ means very little, except you seem to be making it into a much bigger deal.

Also, this outrageous claim about Davinci and some Caucasian model is laughable. The oldest images we have are from Syria and Mt. Sinai in Egypt, predate Davinci by a thousand years, and are far more reliable than what your opinion is as a Witch.
 
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chrono187 said:
Because I enjoy substantive, energetic debates. Very much so. It's not meant as any personal gestures towards dishonor, if that's what you're implying.
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But, respectfully, so far you have not brought much of anything that is substantive. I think if you studied the actual theology and the history of the Christian Church, that might change.
 
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chrono187 said:
2) You said my understanding is 'Week'. Do you see the irony in that?
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I understand now that I misspelled the word. Please forgive me. English is not my first language and I am a poor speller on top of that (especially on an IPad!)
 
chrono187 said:
Debate me with Scripture, but stay on topic. We're not exactly having a debate about iconography vs idolatry. That's not the subject matter of what I brought to the table. If you want to use Caucasian iconography with regards to the Christ, that's fine. All I'm saying is that, in my opinion, those images are totally erroneous and not congruent with Scripture.
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Lastly, I find your insistence that I debate you with Scripture to be quite revealing, demonstrating a very modernist approach to the Christian faith whereby you use your interpretation of the Scriptures as some type of idol or contract which incorporates the limit and full extent of what God has revealed and done. That may be the way you use Scripture, and the way some Christians use Scripture, but that most definitely is not the way the people who wrote the Scriptures and transcribed the Scriptures and handed down the Scriptures ever intended the letters, writings and eventual canonical book to be. Can we gleam eternal truths in the Bible? Most definitely! On every page! The most fundamental truths! But not everything which God has done is limited in books written by the hands of men. Indeed, there are not enough books in the world to list them.
 
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TER said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion, but just understand that because you take two verses of Scripture describing a vision full of symbolism and misinterpret it doesn't mean your opinion is correct or that I should consider you trustworthy, especially when an entire innumerable amount of witnesses spanning back 2000 years speak and proclaim opposite of what you say.

Please note, the amount of melatonin in the skin of Jesus Christ means very little, except you seem to be making it into a much bigger deal.

Also, this outrageous claim about Davinci and some Caucasian model is laughable. The oldest images we have are from Syria and Mt. Sinai in Egypt, predate Davinci by a thousand years, and are far more reliable than what your opinion is as a Witch.
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I agree, skin means very little. But it matters when the ..ahem, Iconography depicts an image that is not reflective of Scripture. Or it should matter, anyway. Again, you're giving me your own anecdotes, opinions and perspectives. I asked you to rebuttal my assertions with Scripture. You've yet to do that, or give me a different interpretation. I'm still waiting for that. However, I will also accept a credible 'witness' spanning back 2000 years, care to share verifiable quotes? Non-biased 3rd parties. I'd be interested in that too. And it's Melanin, not Melatonin..lol, Just like it's Weak, and not a 'Week' understanding... I don't mean to be a grammar Nazi, but the Errors, I feel compelled to point them out. That was the irony I was referring to.

Lastly, Egypt was an African Civilization, One of the Oldest.. if not THE Oldest Civilization. But That's debatable. Anyways, are you telling me that Egypt, in/around the border of Africa, was a White-Man's land? You're not really suggesting that, right?

The Whites went to ancient Kemet/KMT(The Europeans called it Egypt), to study and learn all the Mysteries. All the great Greek philosphers made pilgrimages there to study. For Many, many years. It all came out of Africa.
 
That's why you say Amen at the end of your prayers. You are paying homage to Amun-Ra. The Egyptian Sun-God.

"Amun (also Amon, Amen; Greek Ἄμμων Ámmōn, Ἅμμων Hámmōn) "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

If you wan't to pray to Jesus/Yeshua, I'd suggest removing that last part of the prayer.. if you happen to use it.
 
And the 10 Commandments were lifted from the much older, 42 Laws of Ma'at. The Egyptian Goddess of Truth, Justice, and Divine Order.

http://www.blackhistoryheroes.com/2013/02/42-laws-of-maat-under-kemet-law-and.html


  1. I have not committed sin.
  2. I have not committed robbery with violence.
  3. I have not stolen.
  4. I have not slain men or women.
  5. I have not stolen food.
  6. I have not swindled offerings.
  7. I have not stolen from God/Goddess.
  8. I have not told lies.
  9. I have not carried away food.
  10. I have not cursed.
  11. I have not closed my ears to truth.
  12. I have not committed adultery.
  13. I have not made anyone cry.
  14. I have not felt sorrow without reason.
  15. I have not assaulted anyone.
  16. I am not deceitful.
  17. I have not stolen anyone’s land.
  18. I have not been an eavesdropper.
  19. I have not falsely accused anyone.
  20. I have not been angry without reason.
  21. I have not seduced anyone’s wife.
  22. I have not polluted myself.
  23. I have not terrorized anyone.
  24. I have not disobeyed the Law.
  25. I have not been exclusively angry.
  26. I have not cursed God/Goddess.
  27. I have not behaved with violence.
  28. I have not caused disruption of peace.
  29. I have not acted hastily or without thought.
  30. I have not overstepped my boundaries of concern.
  31. I have not exaggerated my words when speaking.
  32. I have not worked evil.
  33. I have not used evil thoughts, words or deeds.
  34. I have not polluted the water.
  35. I have not spoken angrily or arrogantly.
  36. I have not cursed anyone in thought, word or deeds.
  37. I have not placed myself on a pedestal.
  38. I have not stolen what belongs to God/Goddess.
  39. I have not stolen from or disrespected the deceased.
  40. I have not taken food from a child.
  41. I have not acted with insolence.
  42. I have not destroyed property belonging to God/Goddess.
 
chrono187 said:
That's why you say Amen at the end of your prayers. You are paying homage to Amun-Ra. The Egyptian Sun-God.

"Amun (also Amon, Amen; Greek Ἄμμων Ámmōn, Ἅμμων Hámmōn) "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

If you wan't to pray to Jesus/Yeshua, I'd suggest removing that last part of the prayer.. if you happen to use it.
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Ah, another Zeitgeister/Peter Joseph cultist among us. You realize that part of the film has long been debunked, yes?
 
That was the foundation for the 10 Commandments... which are a bit more tidy, compact, lean, and easier to remember.
 
chrono187 said:
That's why you say Amen at the end of your prayers. You are paying homage to Amun-Ra. The Egyptian Sun-God.

"Amun (also Amon, Amen; Greek Ἄμμων Ámmōn, Ἅμμων Hámmōn) "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amun

If you wan't to pray to Jesus/Yeshua, I'd suggest removing that last part of the prayer.. if you happen to use it.
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Amen comes from the Greek words saying 'let it be so'. It has nothing to do what you are saying. My spelling is bad, but your facts are not much better.
 
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chrono187 said:
I agree, skin means very little. But it matters when the ..ahem, Iconography depicts an image that is not reflective of Scripture. Or it should matter, anyway. Again, you're giving me your own anecdotes, opinions and perspectives. I asked you to rebuttal my assertions with Scripture. You've yet to do that, or give me a different interpretation. I'm still waiting for that. However, I will also accept a credible 'witness' spanning back 2000 years, care to share verifiable quotes? Non-biased 3rd parties. I'd be interested in that too. And it's Melanin, not Melatonin..lol, Just like it's Weak, and not a 'Week' understanding... I don't mean to be a grammar Nazi, but the Errors, I feel compelled to point them out. That was the irony I was referring to.

Lastly, Egypt was an African Civilization, One of the Oldest.. if not THE Oldest Civilization. But That's debatable. Anyways, are you telling me that Egypt, in/around the border of Africa, was a White-Man's land? You're not really suggesting that, right?

The Whites went to ancient Kemet/KMT(The Europeans called it Egypt), to study and learn all the Mysteries. All the great Greek philosphers made pilgrimages there to study. For Many, many years. It all came out of Africa.
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Never mind. I'll go back to doing what I was doing. Good night.
 
heavenlyboy34 said:
Ah, another zeitgeister among us. You realize that part of the film has long been debunked, yes?
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I've seen the film. It was a pretty cool movie, and yes I am aware of many of the claims that have been debunked. Fortunately, they never addressed the relevant Amen/Amun semantical conundrum. So it's irrelevant.
 
TER said:
Amen comes from the Greek words saying 'let it be so'. It has nothing to do what you are saying. My spelling is bad, but your facts are not much better.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't believe in coincidences like this, particularly in light of the Greek-Egypt connection/relationship. Along with the knowledge, culture, science, art, spirituality, etc.. Words and language also made their way from from Egypt to Greece. Where, they took on new meaning.
 
Amen is an Egyptian God/Word, that took on a different meaning in Greece... But the origin remains the same.
 
chrono187 said:
Amun, Amen, etc.. This was a Kemetic word before it was ever a Greek one.

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Egypt: Origin of Greek Culture

http://www.philipcoppens.com/egyptgreece.html

The Evidence for Egyptian Cultural Influence on Greek Civilization

http://www.academia.edu/4854744/The_Evidence_for_Egyptian_Cultural_Influence_on_Greek_Civilization

You haven't quite gotten it yet, Neo.
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Well, Christianity was in Antioch (modern Syria) before Greece or Rome. IDK why you're so surprised. "Amin" is the Arabic word for "Amen" and is used in Antiochian churches to this day.
 
chrono187 said:
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't believe in coincidences like this, particularly in light of the Greek-Egypt connection/relationship. Along with the knowledge, culture, science, art, spirituality, etc.. Words and language also made their way from from Egypt to Greece. Where, they took on new meaning.
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I think you are making a connection which doesn't exist and has never existed.
 
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