General Chris Christie is coming... [mod: speculation]

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Before T.V. and internet. Quick: who is the most out of shape President we've had since the T.V. age?

Christie is a loser and the establishment should know it. He will not play in the south the way Perry did. He's a fatty and he has suggested that he is very anti-Second Amendment. Those two issues are enough to bury him.

If the establishment wants a guy, why aren't the going to Rubio; that would be the smart money. I figure they're saving him for 2016 since they probably don't expect to be able to beat Obama this go 'round.
 
Amongst other things, Christie has stated since being elected governor, that he still supports the comprehensive immigration reform that George Bush pushed for. That means ammnesty. Once that comes out, I don't see him havin a lot of support
 
wgadget said:
OMG, so many fat jokes, so little time.
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Haha. Yes he is a big guy. Unfortunately many Americans can relate in that manor. Which is fine. At least people don't yet have big government forcing them to tip back their scales. Though not from a lack of trying.

The only thing I really seem to know about this man is that he's fat, brash, and the fox news's chosen one. Like the others he might be all fluff and no substance. But as we are seeing in the polls, however tweaked or rigged, sound bites and looking presidential count for much more than they should and we need to be cognisant of it.

This is not exactly Ron Paul's strong point. Ironic it's the reason why I (and many of you I would guess) love the man. He's not some empty smile. He's substance and reason and an educator.

On principle he wipes the floor. Which is why I think the good doctor can go toe to toe with Chris Christie or any of them. But whether or not the NJ gov entering the race is a good thing for the campaign has yet to be seen.
 
To me Christie, is like the mirror image of Perry

  • Unlike Perry, he's kinda hard on the eyes
  • Unlike Perry, he seems like a guy that can hold his own in a debate
  • Unlike Perry, he does not have much of a record of doing much ... he hasn't finished his term as governor.
 
Granted this is my first post on RPF but I can't help but express concern about Christie entering the race. Yes, we as Ron Paul supporters know that Christie is over hyped but unfortunately many Republican voters will not commit as much time and effort when it comes to researching a candidate as we do. So naturally the undecided Republican voters and people jumping off the Bachman, Cain, Perry ships will jump to Christie. Christie may be a neo con but like Perry and everyone else on a debate stage (except maybe Santorum), he will just mimic Ron Paul's platform, regardless of his record as governor. If we thought the debates were rough now with the attention that Romney and Perry have been receiving, can you imagine the honeymoon effect that will follow Christie, especially this late into the game?

The man is brash and outspoken and so I can see why that would appeal to conservatives. Do not underestimate him.
 
NIU Students for Liberty said:
Granted this is my first post on RPF but I can't help but express concern about Christie entering the race. Yes, we as Ron Paul supporters know that Christie is over hyped but unfortunately many Republican voters will not commit as much time and effort when it comes to researching a candidate as we do. So naturally the undecided Republican voters and people jumping off the Bachman, Cain, Perry ships will jump to Christie. Christie may be a neo con but like Perry and everyone else on a debate stage (except maybe Santorum), he will just mimic Ron Paul's platform, regardless of his record as governor. If we thought the debates were rough now with the attention that Romney and Perry have been receiving, can you imagine the honeymoon effect that will follow Christie, especially this late into the game?

The man is brash and outspoken and so I can see why that would appeal to conservatives. Do not underestimate him.
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libertybrewcity said:
I fear that Christie is too popular. He won't dilute the establishment vote, he will take it all. That is my worry, and it would be a challenge to overcome.
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Agree. If Christie enters, he will draw significantly from all the other establishment types and become an instant and formidable front-runner.
 
I'm of two minds on this one.

Positive: He might steal a lot of Romney's support (and at the moment, Mitt looks to be the biggest obstacle long-term), as they both are from the Northeast, both are among the more intelligent and articulate candidates, and both give a sense that they would be competent administrators (Romney was successful outside of politics, and Christie has a rep as a "get it done" type of governor who is not afraid of confrontation). His record won't stand up to analysis, and his 2nd amendment stance will be particularly troubling to conservatives. I don't think he will impress voters as a potential president the way he has as a governor. He lacks both the persona and the vision that is expected from that office. I could see his campaign being very similar to that of Perry in some respects.

Negative: Christie would be a fierce debater, and could potentially have some of the most memorable soundbytes of the Republican primaries. He can be very alpha and ready to throw down with critics, which conservatives in particular tend to admire. To a lot of casual observers, Christie comes off as a renegade and someone real. (Maybe he even is on some small level, but his ideas and backers are wrong, wrong, wrong.) He is articulate without being too smooth, and is obviously quite intelligent...the exact opposite of Perry, who a lot of potential voters feel burned by.

I don't know what to make of this one. If Christie comes in, he will be the immediate frontrunner in my opinion, but I don't know how long it will last. The Republican establishment must feel very desperate to be courting him so hard, as I think even the most seasoned political analysts aren't sure how his campaign will play out. The key to breaking his campaign will be pointing out his positions and his questionable track record. If we and others like Bachman can successfully do that, then Christie will do a good job of watering down the field even further. And while he would walk over Perry in debate, a Christie vs Paul back-and-forth would probably be a Youtube hit, and I don't see Christie doing well in that exchange. Even some of the other smarter and seasoned candidates like Huntsman and Romney may do well in exchanges with him.

It's important to remember that Christie is known for blunt exchanges with individuals (teachers, reporters) who are NOT experienced public speakers, and who are not on an equal footing in terms of holding the microphone. If you think about it that way, he may be a paper tiger! :-)

Every time the neoconservative mainstream trots out another hero to save the day and winds up with egg on their faces, the better it is for Ron Paul.

Anyway, first day posting here. Sorry this one was so long. :-)
 
Perry said just as many. He is a more formidable opponent than Prtty in many ways. Idon't see any weaknesses in him. Perry is super dumb.
 
I am doubtful that Christie will run for two reasons: One, I think this article quoting sources close to Christie helps more or less confirm that Christie has no plans on running:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204010604576593182650732322.html#articleTabs=article

And two: Even if Christie did, it's obvious his heart isn't in it, and that much will be obvious in his performances in debates and while on the campaign trail.

So while I won't tell everyone to "move on, nothing to see here", I will say, "Don't worry about it, people are giving the media too much credence in their desperate attempts to speculate in their quest to find a frontrunner."
 
Duckman said:
Well, that's true. And who knows what Chris Christie thinks about foreign policy (I honestly don't) but he's likely to be a Neocon being recently elected R in the northeast. But people on the fence about Ron may tip to Christie. But like I've been saying, who can believe anything he says if he jumps in now?
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Here's what I feel. He's a clean slate and likeable like Bush Jr. was when he first ran. Even if both were well intentioned in the beginning of a campaign (like Bush Jr. running on a "humble" foreign policy), those in power will mold him into just another globalist puppet.
 
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