Chip In to Bail Out Roger Pion

[Nirvikalpa]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

 

[Revolution9]

This is a great idea and sends a message to men that need to hear it..or in this case witness it.. Don't listen to the mod above. They are not a man and have no clue about men.

Rev9

 

[Origanalist]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

Exactly, they already call us crazy. So what's all the fear about? Do you have any idea how many people are opposed to the war on drugs?

 

[MJU1983]

So can I pencil you in for a $100, Nirvikalpa?

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

 

[Revolution9]

Marijuana is illegal. If people want it, perhaps a movement should be started to push that agenda, or perhaps even run for office in order to get prohibition repealed. Running over police vehicles in a tractor because you got busted doing something illegal is a stupid course of action to take.

I understand many feel that his actions were justified because marijuana shouldn't be illegal, but if this fellow got caught possessing coke or meth, I wonder if this thread would have been started.

You have admitted never smoking it so you have no stance to make a correct judgement. Busting someone for weed is sheer tyranny. They need to understand blowback because their response to potsmoking is way out of proportion. This is not meth nor coke. Roger Pion is a folk hero. he did what hundreds of thousands wanted to do. Probably knows the pigs personally too. "Alright Fred..We went to school together and you busted my ass for smoking when you used to too..I am running yer shit over.."

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

They have had their way for far too frakkin' long. It is time the blowback begins./ I hope copycats show up all over jackboot land. These idiots that want the boot on the neck of their fellow countrymen need to crawl back in their holes. They got their own set of sins to handle like judging other they do not know as bad people.


Rev9

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

Right! Sometimes you just have to comply and blend in with the status quo. But don't worry, you can still oppose the police state by being completely subservient and non-combative. Just follow the herd and we'll achieve the change we're looking for... eventually. It is completely reasonable to expect the laws to change if we oppose them by not challenging them in any way whatsoever.

War is peace.
Slavery is freedom.
And compliance is resistance.

Good strategy there.

Sometimes, the only way to stand out is to look as normal as possible. /sarcasm

 

[Origanalist]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

Yes, yes I do. Maybe a little reality will break through all that propaganda. How did the prohibition against alcohol end? Because everybody just said well it's illegal, and the government is only looking out for us?

 

[MelissaWV]

Yep. Not running over cop cars is now "being completely subservient and non-combative."

How many has Ron run over, I wonder...

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Do you all have any idea how many people are for the war on drugs and support the police, believing they are truly "America's finest" and do truly protect and serve?

Yes, and they are disgusting human beings. I will not acquiesce to their expectations just to fit into their paradigm of American greatness when, in reality, America is a fascist s***hole. Yeah, I said it. We were all thinking it, I said it.

 

[TheTexan]

"There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!"

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yep. Not running over cop cars is now "being completely subservient and non-combative."

How many has Ron run over, I wonder...

It's the implied narrative, not the specific action. These people want us not to stand out in any way for fear of offending the delicate minds of statists everywhere. I refuse to go down that road. I admire Ron, but he's a politician. I have decided already that I will not go down that road because I can't do it that way. We need a multi-faceted approach, but we will never achieve our ends if we continue to belittle those who wish to introduce a little reality into the situation and continue to put those who would do anything not to make a spectacle and look like good law-abiding citizens, good statists. To me, that is contrary to the cause.

Compliance is the implication. Just obey while you haven't won and spend the rest of your life "working within the system." I would rather work without the system, thank you very much.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Oh yes. Let's publicize a bail-out for a guilty man who ran over cop cars on RonPaulForums, because I am so sure this will end well and totally not be tied to Ron Paul at all...

Let's be serious here; the guy was caught with pot. We all agree it's a victimless crime, he shouldn't have been arrested, what people do with their own bodies it's their own damn business... yadda yadda. Right. But for the love of God, don't promote a bail-out/donation on a forum linked to Ron Paul, especially in publicly-viewed forums.

We're already touted as crazy; now we're giving them ammo? Do you think the general populace, and the votes we need, think this guy is an innocent angel? Sometimes you just have to think.

I'm not crazy. I'm just sick of "bullshit." Most people I know are sick of this same bullshit. It would be nice for the 75% of people who are sick of bullshit to stand up and say they're sick of bullshit. Now we have a guy who made that statement VERY clearly. Some of us can show some support, and some other people can keep pretending that it's ok if cops arrest a lot of people with bullshit charges about bullshit issues, but lay low and be happy it wasn't them.

If you let people tell you the RP people are "crazy," you're bowing down to the 10% politically active people, and ignoring the 50% who care... but those 50% decided it's useless and there's nothing they can do. Therefore, they don't vote, they don't get politically active in any way, and they just hide from the state and hope they aren't the next target. This could be their chance to throw a few measly dollars at something they believe in.


AND YOU TELL ME....

Why does he not deserve to be out on bond?

Why does he not deserve our support for standing up to oppressive government bullshit?

Do you think those police cars are used to run around the county being friendly to people?

I have a hard time finding anyone who tells me that their police interaction is friendly. If you think this forum is going to attract republicans and democrats who love law enforcement, but find this thread distasteful.... where are they? They've had more than 4 years to show up. Outside of friends in LE, I can't find anyone who supports the current state of LE, and even the ones I know don't. They just want to keep their pathetic jobs.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

I just wouldn't tie Ron Paul's name with it which was the entire point of the post above (which seemed to me missed among the ad hominem attacks to me [both posted and through reputation]), but as you wish. I am not stopping it or moving this thread (that is publicly viewable).

Cheers.

 

[TheTexan]

I admire Ron, but he's a politician. I have decided already that I will not go down that road because I can't do it that way. We need a multi-faceted approach

Indeed. See the second video above. Ron advocates strongly for civil disobedience, and makes the point that just because he has gone down the path of trying to work within the system, doesn't mean we should follow that road as well

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

No way. I sympathize for his marijuana arrest, but now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for 7 new police cruisers. Face it, he's an idiot. I'd rather give my money to liberty candidates or starving children.

 

[TheTexan]

No way. I sympathize for his marijuana arrest, but now the taxpayers are going to have to pay for 7 new police cruisers.

Considering that the tax payers are the ones responsible for his arrest for a victimless crime to begin with... I have zero sympathy for them

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Yeah, this bail is for his crazed rampage right?

If it was for the marijuana arrest, it would be legitimate.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Considering that the tax payers are the ones responsible for his arrest for a victimless crime to begin with... I have zero sympathy for them

I have zero sympathy for an idiot. Running over police cars does nothing to help his cause whatsoever, it only hurts people.