China, Russia, Canada, Japan are all ISOLATIONIST/NON-INTERVENTIONIST...

[Base_Disclosure]

... what are we gonna do about them?

China, Russia, Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada -- heck, pretty much EVERY country on EARTH aside from the U.S. (and maybe the U.K.) -- is ISOLATIONIST and/or NON-INTERVENTIONIST and employs diplomacy over bombs 'n guns (save some countries' involvement with NATO, involvement with the U.S. in Afghanistan, and obviously there are some exceptions with respect to Russia and Georgia, China and Tibet).

God, they've got it so backwards! What are we gonna do about them? How are we going to inform them that the answer to their problems and protecting their security is military adventurism, invasion, bombing, spending themselves into collapse and policing the world like WE do?

*derrrrr*

It's a talking point worth throwing out there... NOBODY compares to the U.S.' aggressive stance.

 

[Canderson]

They all have troops in other countries. Except maybe China.

 

[anaconda]

Excellent observation. Should be official campaign talking points.

 

[hammy]

This is it.

This is how you beat this.

Wow, this will work great.

When somebody is hung up on foreign policy ask them:

"Do you think China should start doing what we do?"

I think this could be a game-changer question to ask.

 

[Rincewind]

They all have troops in other countries. Except maybe China.

China has a rather long, rich history of completely not giving a shit about the rest of the world.

Seriously, it's actually an integral part of their culture. No joke.

 

[Korey Kaczynski]

Doesn't China have some involvemnet in Africa?

 

[TheDrakeMan]

I wouldn't refer to those nations as non-interventionists at all to be honest. Russia sells plenty of military technology to it's allies and barges it's way into East European politics. China interferes heavily with Korea, keeping North Korea's regime in power.

 

[Kevin Smyth]

It is difficult to make those arguments work because far too many Republicans will just repeat the dogmatic phrase, "Those nations didn't get hit on 9-11, we did."

 

[69360]

Um you kinda need to get your facts straight. The Soviets intervened in many countries. They learned the same lesson we are right now in the graveyard of empires. Canada has backed our interventions as has Australia and lots of European countries. Japan has quite the interventionist history all over Asia and the pacific. China will have troops in Taiwan the second they can get away with it.

 

[Base_Disclosure]

There are exceptions to what I'm saying -- obviously Canada has been involved with us, the UK is pure evil, France is warmongering garbage, etc. -- but OVERALL, 95% of Planet Earth's nations are "non-interventionist".

China has issues with Taiwan and Tibet.

But NOTHING compares to America's aggressive stance. NOTHING. By the token of these Neocon pundits (of which Democrats are now a party to), you'd think anyone who is isolationist or non-interventionist is signing a suicide note to the security of their nation. Seems like most of the world is doing just fine minding its own business.

As for "9/11" being the sole impetus for all adventurism, I'm sure there are plenty examples of OTHER nations' having been terrorized by Muslims... off the top of my head, Russia, Spain, Indonesia, France...

 

[Canderson]

Don't spread untruths. The Russians have troops in the Ukraine, intervened in Georgia a few years ago. Germany has the third largest contingent in Afghanistan and deployed hundreds of troops to Congo a while back to oversee elections. Australia, Canada and I think even Japan all have troops in Afghanistan. China doesn't maintain foreign deployments, but certainly doesn't have an isolationist or non-interventionist foreign policy. China has highly managed trade agreements with Africa and other nations/regions ala NAFTA or CAFTA.

 

[jordie]

Doesn't China have some involvemnet in Africa?

Trade relations, yes. No military operations outside their borders.

 

[Canderson]

Non-interventionism doesn't mean becoming uninvolved. It means no foreign deployments without being attacked and at war. It also means maintaining a strong Navy to protect our trade with willing partners.

 

[svobody]

The Chinese are genius. They have realized the easiest way to control the world is to be the world's banker, not with troops. They are the worst kind of authoritarians - the cunning ones that learn from others mistakes. Combine that with a population who is more than willing to be subjugated, and yeah. It's pretty incredible.

 

[Base_Disclosure]

I agree. It's a nuanced position, not really sound-bite worthy. Might be able to make the case with China, Russia in the past -- that large empires need not police the world, or that doing so leads to collapse.

 

[unknown]

Add every other country in the World to that list with the exception of the US, UK, Israel and the nations represented in NATO.

 

[Canderson]

Switzerland is the closest to non-interventionist. Allow citizens to sell crap to everybody uninhibited, have a kick butt military but don't mess with other countries if they don't mess with you.

 

[Kevin Smyth]

Non-interventionism doesn't mean becoming uninvolved. It means no foreign deployments without being attacked and at war. It also means maintaining a strong Navy to protect our trade with willing partners.

No country on Earth doesn't become involved when they are attacked, how are Republicans so stupid that they don't know this? This is the same garbage I've heard on neocon radio where the callers think that if a Democrat had been in the White House on 9-11 he would have been such a wimp that he wouldn't have sent the military into Afghanistan and he wouldn't have hunted for Bin Laden. Claims like that are macho posturing and appeal to what I would describe as typical bar-room brawler trash who have found their way into the Republican party because they think Republicans stand for extra "ass-kickin'" of foreigners.

 

[qh4dotcom]

China has a rather long, rich history of completely not giving a shit about the rest of the world.

Seriously, it's actually an integral part of their culture. No joke.

Actually China does give a s*** about the US...Look at all the stuff they send here in exchange for nearly worthless paper...when they could be enjoying and consuming all the stuff they produce.

 

[StilesBC]

Um you kinda need to get your facts straight. The Soviets intervened in many countries. They learned the same lesson we are right now in the graveyard of empires. Canada has backed our interventions as has Australia and lots of European countries. Japan has quite the interventionist history all over Asia and the pacific. China will have troops in Taiwan the second they can get away with it.

Nitpicking, but Canada backed Afghanistan not Iraq. Chretien told Bush to screw himself. Best thing he ever did.