Chik-fil-A backs down on gay marriage stance.

[Anti Federalist]

Focus on the Family is a "hate group"?

While I have some vehement disagreements with their stances, who the hell is "classifying" them as a hate group?

Our friends at SPLC more than likely.

And the Zeitgeist crushes yet another.

Dollars are always more important than integrity.

ETA - Looks like they backed off in naming FOTF. The website has edited content from what is quoted here.



Political Insider Chick-fil-A just blinked on gay marriage

12:01 pm September 19, 2012, by jgalloway

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insi...9/did-chick-fil-a-just-blink-on-gay-marriage/

The Civil Rights Agenda, an Illinois advocacy group focused on sexual orientation issues, says a letter from a Chick-fil-A executive to a Chicago alderman indicates the Georgia-based fast-food chain is backing off its financial support for political opponents of gay marriage.

From group’s website:

In a letter addressed to Alderman [Joe] Moreno and signed by Chick-fil-A’s Senior Director of Real Estate, it states, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”

Winshape, a non-profit funded by Chick-fil-a, has donated millions of dollars to anti-LGBT groups, including some classified as hate groups, such as Focus on the Family and the National Organization for Marriage. In meetings the company executives clarified that they will no longer give to anti-gay organizations.

Jim Burruss of WABE (90.1FM) reports that he just got off the phone with Moreno’s office, which confirmed the letter and its content as outlined above.

The New York Daily News is quoting an unnamed Chick-fil-A representative as saying the company plans to “leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.”

 

[jkr]

w()w

way to quit!

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Meh.

Seems like it would be kinda hard to back down after all that hubbub over gay "marriage". The stigma's already attached, so now it seems like they can't really just say, "We're gonna be neutral now!" when they already caused that whole controversy over it. People already know what your stance is, so why would you quit? It seems completely redundant, but then again, I'm not an executive officer of a major company, so maybe I don't have all of the info they have.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Meh.

Seems like it would be kinda hard to back down after all that hubbub over gay "marriage". The stigma's already attached, so now it seems like they can't really just say, "We're gonna be neutral now!" when they already caused that whole controversy over it. People already know what your stance is, so why would you quit? It seems completely redundant, but then again, I'm not an executive officer of a major company, so maybe I don't have all of the info they have.

Running a major company in the US today is all about "compliance".

Not just with the labyrinth laws and rules and codes but with the fickle winds of public tastes as well.

Every move is geared toward not being sued.

 

[jmdrake]

Well I guess the Christians who bought sandwiches to support Chik-Fil-A need to save the money and donate directly to Focus on the Family.

 

[erowe1]

Companies shouldn't give any money to any charities or causes anyway. If they're not going to reinvest it, they should just give it to their owners/shareholders, and let them do the donating.

 

[KingNothing]

Well I guess the Christians who bought sandwiches to support Chik-Fil-A need to save the money and donate directly to Focus on the Family.

I'd rather Chik Fil A have the money than Focus on the Family. At least they provide a good or service.

 

[Smart3]

Companies shouldn't give to political organizations, especially ones which are hate groups.

Why is FOTF a hate group?
They support child-beating, especially of suspected and actual gay children.
They advocate for removing any mention of homosexuality in schools (including health and sex education classes)
They spread the horrifying lie that the LGBT movement wishes to abolish all age of consent laws, and that all LGBT are pedophiles and pederasts.
They've claimed "homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses"
then-FRC official Yvette Cantu, in an interview published on Americans for Truth About Homosexuality’s website, said, “If they [gays and lesbians] had children, what would happen when they were too busy having their sex parties?”
One of their top guys, Sprigg has called for criminalizing homosexuality (again).

This isn't just about marriage equality, these people want gay people dead. If that's not a hate group, then the KKK isn't either.

 

[erowe1]

Companies shouldn't give to political organizations, especially ones which are hate groups.

Why is FOTF a hate group?
They support child-beating, especially of suspected and actual gay children.
They advocate for removing any mention of homosexuality in schools (including health and sex education classes)
They spread the horrifying lie that the LGBT movement wishes to abolish all age of consent laws, and that all LGBT are pedophiles and pederasts.
They've claimed "homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses"
then-FRC official Yvette Cantu, in an interview published on Americans for Truth About Homosexuality’s website, said, “If they [gays and lesbians] had children, what would happen when they were too busy having their sex parties?”
One of their top guys, Sprigg has called for criminalizing homosexuality (again).

This isn't just about marriage equality, these people want gay people dead. If that's not a hate group, then the KKK isn't either.

Which part of that list involves killing gay people? And how exactly do they support child beating? Are you talking about what the rest of us call spanking?

 

[asurfaholic]

I'd rather Chik Fil A have the money than Focus on the Family. At least they provide a good or service.

How can you say focus on the family does not provide a service? Its a resource sharing community that helps christian families grow spiritually. If you are a christain and want to read something that outlines the christian way of doing things, you can go to Focus on the Family and find almost anything you need.

If you are not christian or have no use, then its a service that is not for you. Doesnt mean its not a service.

You should check them out. Lots of resources and i looked and looked, couldnt find no hate.. http://www.focusonthefamily.com/

 

[Philhelm]

I love Chick-fil-A sandwiches (the #1 Original, if you're wondering), and that's all that matters. Chick-fil-A would have to order a hit on Ron Paul himself before I'd stop loving their chicken.

 

[thoughtomator]

I bet there's a DoJ threat involved.

 

[jmdrake]

Companies shouldn't give any money to any charities or causes anyway. If they're not going to reinvest it, they should just give it to their owners/shareholders, and let them do the donating.

Well Chik-Fil-A is a privately held company. Look at it this way. If you own your own business (sole proprietorship) and you "pay" yourself a $10,000 bonus that you then donate to charity, it's not treated the same as if you just took the money from the company and gave it to charity. It's just another way our screwy tax system affects decisions.

 

[specsaregood]

Running a major company in the US today is all about "compliance".
Not just with the labyrinth laws and rules and codes but with the fickle winds of public tastes as well.
Every move is geared toward not being sued.

And if there isn't a law or rule, they can just make one up on the spot in the executive branch regulations.

 

[erowe1]

Well Chik-Fil-A is a privately held company. Look at it this way. If you own your own business (sole proprietorship) and you "pay" yourself a $10,000 bonus that you then donate to charity, it's not treated the same as if you just took the money from the company and gave it to charity. It's just another way our screwy tax system affects decisions.

I agree. But I think that's exactly what they should do.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Focus On the Family sucks on this issue:

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/social-issues/marriage/our-position.aspx


We define family as relationships created by marriage, blood or adoption.

We support citizen initiatives at the state level that define marriage as the union of one man and one woman in state constitutions.

We support the federal Marriage Protection Amendment, which would define marriage at the federal level as the union of one man and one woman.

We support abolishing the "marriage penalty" and other taxes that burden families.

We support efforts to limit adoption to married, opposite-sex couples.

We support legislation that would educate parents considering divorce of the harmful effects of divorce on most children.

We support specific types of "mutual-consent" legislation that would require both spouses seeking divorce to agree to end the marriage.

Governments recognize marriage because it provides the next generation of upstanding citizens – something the government needs and cannot provide for itself.

Only a federal amendment to the U.S. Constitution can fully defend the institution of marriage: protecting states from having same-sex marriage imposed upon them by the federal judiciary.

FOTF isn't for limited government. They want to keep their special benefits at the expense of everyone else, and use tax dollars to enforce their morality.

 

[jmdrake]

I agree. But I think that's exactly what they should do.

So let me see if I understand. If you own "erowe's grass cutting business" and you want to give $1,000 to the Boy Scouts, you should have to take it out of your paycheck instead of your business that you own privately even though that will in effect cost you $1,100 because the government will get $100? What possible purpose would that serve? I can see if this is a publicly held company because other shareholders might not agree.

 

[erowe1]

So let me see if I understand. If you own "erowe's grass cutting business" and you want to give $1,000 to the Boy Scouts, you should have to take it out of your paycheck instead of your business that you own privately even though that will in effect cost you $1,100 because the government will get $100? What possible purpose would that serve? I can see if this is a publicly held company because other shareholders might not agree.

No. I wasn't considering the tax difference. Good point. Anything that results in less money going to the government is always better than anything that results in more.

 

[jmdrake]

Focus On the Family sucks on this issue:

.......
We support abolishing the "marriage penalty" and other taxes that burden families.

Oh....but there's no such thing as a "marriage tax penalty" right? It's all "benefits" right? /sarcasm

Again, the answer is to decouple marriage from the state and to start be getting the federal government out of marriage. Ron Paul's approach to this could win groups like FOTF over.

 

[Smart3]

Which part of that list involves killing gay people? And how exactly do they support child beating? Are you talking about what the rest of us call spanking?

I'm not sure what child beating means either, but if you hit your child in a way that is illegal to do to an adult, you should be in jail. That includes spanking.