Chick-fil-A Vandalized in Torrance, CA ("Tastes Like Hate")

[PaulConventionWV]

Your church. Not mine. The change starts with people like you. If you choose.

Why must you pin the responsibility on others? The churches have their own doctrines and cannot be swayed in one fell swoop by a single member, and there are not many churches to choose from that have that agenda. Now you're just being ridiculous.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

To me, you seem more intent on painting religious people as bigots

Bigot is defined as an intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views

 

[KingNothing]

Why must you pin the responsibility on others? The churches have their own doctrines and cannot be swayed in one fell swoop by a single member, and there are not many churches to choose from that have that agenda. Now you're just being ridiculous.

WRONG! Just like the people who thought interracial marriage was a sin a generation or two ago, we need to chip away, one person at a time, to change this completely ridiculous notion that being gay is immoral.

Changing people's minds will come before changing any laws. We need to convince people to become more tolerant and less judgemental of others. Wheb we do that we'll be able to get the state out of marriage completely. That change happens one person at a time. Regardless of whether or not an entire congregation realizes the absurdity of their bigotry at once or not, we need to get individuals to realize that fact.


I don't know why you think the state will get out of marriage while people still harbor insane prejudices towards gay people and polygamists. Ideas matter, and they're what we have to influence.

 

[dawnbt]

Wow, Chik-fil-a is the creator??

I think you guys are takin this a little too far..

He may have been speaking to broadly for you. Let me break it down. Dan Cathy's views/beliefs are biblical. Meaning they come from the Bible, the word of God. Therefore, these beliefs are God's...the creator. Saying Cathy's beliefs are hate is saying Gods Word is hate. Big no-no.

 

[dawnbt]

In Genesis Chapter 16, the Angel of the Lord appeared to Hagar and told her to return to her master and submit.

Does that mean that if my wife is infertile I should rape my female slave to get her pregnant and God is OK with it? It worked out great for Abraham and Sarai... Kind of contradicts the whole "one man one woman" model of Biblical marriage as well, just saying.

It's not my intention to be rude or insult your religious beliefs, I'm just pointing out that some things in the Old Testament were correct for society in the time and culture when they were written thousands of years ago, but today we know these things are not really what God wants, because we have become more enlightened since those days.

Which is why nobody today is advocating rebellious children be brought to the town elders to be publicly stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21). And nobody today is saying we should protect traditional marriage by making laws to stone adulterers to death (Leviticus 20:10).

And nobody is protesting outside Red Lobster because eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 11:9-12).

Slavery as God intended is nothing like that of modern day. It was to repay a debt. Once the debt was paid, the "slave" was free. Many chose to stay as they were treated better by their masters than on their own. Much like Israel, once freed and in the wilderness wanting to return to Egypt because they were fed more than manta. As far as "raping his slave" that was not the case at all. Show me where it said she was raped. If anything, she was boastful to Sarah because she was with Abrahams child. Regardless, Abraham and Sarah did not have faith in what God told them that Sarah would bare him a child, were human, sinned daily like the rest of us, and were punished by God for their lack of faith. If you actually studied the bible with a bit of faith, it would be clear as day.

 

[Origanalist]

Classy.

 

[maskander]

Gay's can legally get married in a few different states. just went to a wedding in Indiana yesterday, the couple went to iowa for a day to get officially married and then came back and had their ceremony, Indiana has to officially recognize their marriage.

You guys are on the wrong side of history get with the times.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

WRONG! Just like the people who thought interracial marriage was a sin a generation or two ago, we need to chip away, one person at a time, to change this completely ridiculous notion that being gay is immoral.

Changing people's minds will come before changing any laws. We need to convince people to become more tolerant and less judgemental of others. Wheb we do that we'll be able to get the state out of marriage completely. That change happens one person at a time. Regardless of whether or not an entire congregation realizes the absurdity of their bigotry at once or not, we need to get individuals to realize that fact.


I don't know why you think the state will get out of marriage while people still harbor insane prejudices towards gay people and polygamists. Ideas matter, and they're what we have to influence.

What was I wrong on? I don't believe I made a definitive statement that you challenged.

Regardless, though, why must we change other people's minds about the morality of homosexuality? Let me believe it's immoral as long as I don't force others to accept my views. Likewise, you shouldn't push yours on me if I'm not trying to enforce my views through government.

Be tolerant of people's differences of belief. To tell people to give up the idea that homosexuality is immoral would require them to give up their belief in Biblical moral character. It's okay to believe that homosexuality is immoral just like it's okay to believe that alcoholism is immoral. If I want to believe that, it's none of your business and I'm not being intolerant just by believing that. It's a personal belief and I'm not forcing you to accept it, so don't push yours on me. You can't rid society of adherence to Biblical character, so your standards for getting the government out of it are just ridiculous and can never be achieved. That means you want us to expand the government entitlement base until we finally eradicate the Biblical belief about homosexuality. If that is the case, then we will NEVER get rid of the government involvement in marriage.

It's not your place to decide how tolerant or non-judgmental people should be. We don't need to enact some widespread societal shift in belief before getting government out of it. JUST GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT. It doesn't matter what other people think, just get the government out of it. You sound a lot like some sort of totalitarian when you tell me we need to make society act a certain way before we can get rid of government regulation. That's the same excuse used for a lot of regulation that goes on. Society is never going to bend to your will, so why not just get the government out of it instead of telling us what to believe?

I don't care what kind of prejudices people have toward gays. If we can convince them that we don't need the government involved, then it DOESN'T MATTER what their prejudices are.

JUST LEAVE ME AND MY BELIEFS ALONE. Is that too much to ask?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Classy.

As much as these people preach tolerance, it gets harder and harder to believe they hold themselves to the same standards. In fact, I don't believe they do at all. It's just becoming more and more obvious with each passing day as I see some video of a gay guy or a gay "rights" advocate harassing some poor girl or guy and passing judgment like they're not even aware of what their own message is. Tolerance is a two way street, and right now, I am only seeing it come in one direction.

 

[TonySutton]

As much as these people preach tolerance, it gets harder and harder to believe they hold themselves to the same standards. In fact, I don't believe they do at all. It's just becoming more and more obvious with each passing day as I see some video of a gay guy or a gay "rights" advocate harassing some poor girl or guy and passing judgment like they're not even aware of what their own message is. Tolerance is a two way street, and right now, I am only seeing it come in one direction.

Yep, lump all them gays in one big group. They are all exactly the same. Maybe I should put up some Fred Phelps videos and talk about the tolerance of Christians.

 

[pochy1776]

Just curious how he's "ignorant with Islam."

It was an old thing i used to believe, i am just tired of switching things on the internet. I am a Constitutional Conservative- one who believes in the constitution and libertarian ideals, but acts in the way of a conservative. I'm no John Stossel, and a libertarian think tank does not exist (take that david boaz and your cosmo-drinking lady friends(call me Susan!)) I personally find gay people repugnant as i find muslims, christians, Blacks, Hispanics, and people who think medicine is corrupted. But, i don't push my beliefs on them through government force and coercion. That is for me to do in my own personal life.

 

[pochy1776]

I am Fed Up! The Younger ones need "tolerance" for them to even comprehend a world. The world is full of injustice. Christians have done more to kill, rape, maim, pillage and they are still held to that standard even after years of apologizing and feeding (Dan Cathy himself fathered 30 children.) And yet, Gay people had a fucking riot in 1969 and continue to call names, harass and ostracize little kids and teens that view it as wrong or abnormal. That is viewed as civil rights advancement. REAL Libertarians don't act superior or coddle minorities. REAL libertarians want the government OUT OF marriage and other personal issues and REAL Libertarians can give two S*** about black rights or gay rights or any type of "rights." You act as if you are enlightened and superior for being on "the right side of history." The very same act that comes from the pathetic social conservatives and Advocacy groups that want to use government power and coercion to force down their beliefs on others. I am beginning to think that libertarianism has been bastardized by Cosmotarians from Reason and CATO (although, Cato still has some good stuff.)

I am Sorry for this post. I am just angry, I am going to take my medication now.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Yep, lump all them gays in one big group. They are all exactly the same. Maybe I should put up some Fred Phelps videos and talk about the tolerance of Christians.

I didn't say that.

 

[angelatc]

WRONG! Just like the people who thought interracial marriage was a sin a generation or two ago, we need to chip away, one person at a time, to change this completely ridiculous notion that being gay is immoral.

Great. Let's legislate morality! That always works so well.

 

[angelatc]

As much as these people preach tolerance, it gets harder and harder to believe they hold themselves to the same standards. In fact, I don't believe they do at all. It's just becoming more and more obvious with each passing day as I see some video of a gay guy or a gay "rights" advocate harassing some poor girl or guy and passing judgment like they're not even aware of what their own message is. Tolerance is a two way street, and right now, I am only seeing it come in one direction.

They are entirely self absorbed.

 

[Danke]

It was an old thing i used to believe, i am just tired of switching things on the internet. I am a Constitutional Conservative- one who believes in the constitution and libertarian ideals, but acts in the way of a conservative. I'm no John Stossel, and a libertarian think tank does not exist (take that david boaz and your cosmo-drinking lady friends(call me Susan!)) I personally find gay people repugnant as i find muslims, christians, Blacks, Hispanics, and people who think medicine is corrupted. But, i don't push my beliefs on them through government force and coercion. That is for me to do in my own personal life.

O.K. I'm slow, could you answer Kluge's question in simple terms for me?:

"I LOVE RON PAUL, although he is quite ignorant with islam"

 

[angelatc]

The guy who tagged the Chik Fil A has stepped forward. He's quite proud of himself: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/chick-fil-a-graffiti-torrance_n_1738807.html

At the end of the day, said Castro, "It's paint on a wall. It got removed in less than an hour. It's not that much of a crime -- it's a protest."

If I had his address, I'd be tempted to go paint "STFU" on his house or his car. It's not much of a crime.

 

[Kluge]

O.K. I'm slow, could you answer Kluge's question in simple terms for me?:

"I LOVE RON PAUL, although he is quite ignorant with islam"

Yeah...that response was as clear as mud...still not sure why he thinks Ron Paul is "ignorant with Islam."

 

[Kluge]

The guy who tagged the Chik Fil A has stepped forward. He's quite proud of himself: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/chick-fil-a-graffiti-torrance_n_1738807.html



If I had his address, I'd be tempted to go paint "STFU" on his house or his car. It's not much of a crime.

These idiots must not have ever owned a home or a business--it takes so much work to build walls, maintain things and to wake up one morning and find that your house/business/whatever has been vandalized is devastating.

I completely re-did the landscaping at my mother's house and was sitting outside with the dog after the work was done and some asshole walks by and kicks all six trash cans of brush out into the street. I seriously wanted to beat the shit out of him--I almost let my dog loose on him, but he was probably too high on something to feel pain.

 

[UpperDecker]

The guy who tagged the Chik Fil A has stepped forward. He's quite proud of himself: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/chick-fil-a-graffiti-torrance_n_1738807.html



If I had his address, I'd be tempted to go paint "STFU" on his house or his car. It's not much of a crime.

Ugh, the horror in those comments. I hate how people defend this as oh so noble when it is on their side, but if the shoe was on the other foot they would scream bloody murder. I have been a strong supporter of gay right, but this makes them look like assholes when they are trying to get people to accept them.