Chick-fil-A Vandalized in Torrance, CA ("Tastes Like Hate")

[phill4paul]

Generally speaking, yes. I am part of the Liberty movement, the goal of which is to reduce the footprint of government in every aspect of our lives. What do you think?

I think that's great! So you have actually pushed for your town,county or state to abolish all the marriage benefits given to traditional marriage recipients? How many churches and denominations got behind the movement?

 

[cajuncocoa]

I think that's great! So you have actually pushed for your town,county or state to abolish all the marriage benefits given to traditional marriage recipients? How many churches and denominations got behind the movement?

You're attributing words to me that I have not said. I said

Generally speaking, yes. I am part of the Liberty movement, the goal of which is to reduce the footprint of government in every aspect of our lives. What do you think?

I didn't say I am specifically working to abolish marriage benefits given to traditional marriage recipients. But I am not opposed to the idea. Right now, there are bigger fish for the liberty movement to fry IMO (ending unconstitutional wars, returning to sound money and free market principles, etc.)

 

[phill4paul]

You're attributing words to me that I have not said. I said



I didn't say I am specifically working to abolish marriage benefits given to traditional marriage recipients. But I am not opposed to the idea. Right now, there are bigger fish for the liberty movement to fry IMO (ending unconstitutional wars, returning to sound money and free market principles, etc.)

Your not against the idea but your not working towards it. O.K.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Your not against the idea but your not working towards it. O.K.

Are you working towards it? It seems very important to you.

 

[phill4paul]

I'm not a Christian, nor am I married nor am I gay. If you are one, two or all three of the aforementioned you have a greater vested interest than I.

 

[cajuncocoa]

p4p, let's backtrack for a minute.

You originally posted:

It would be neat if Christians got behind an initiative to end governmental licensing and benefits regarding marriage. The gauntlet is thrown. I don't think you would put half the energy as you would blocking gay marriage. In fact. I know it. You're quite happy with your shackles and your place in the masters house.

Getting behind an initiative is not the same as leading one. You now seem to advocate that as a Catholic Christian I must lead the charge. Sorry, but I'm not that motivated to do so. As I said before, there are other issues that I consider more important right now (this whole Chick Fil-A thing was a major distraction more than anything else).


I don't really get the last sentence in your post above. I've been married for a very long time. Although I agree that government never should have involved itself in the business of marriage, there is only one thing I would probably notice if it were no longer the case, and that would be higher taxes as we would no longer receive a marriage tax deduction. Seems that would "shackle" me even more, so I would rather eliminate or greatly reduce income taxes before we kick government out of the marriage business. (As I said to you in previous posts, there are bigger fish to fry).


Having said all that, I will still keep my promise to get behind such an initiative if someone starts one. I'm not doing anything to block gay marriage, so it won't be difficult to put at least half of that energy into supporting your suggestion. But I'm not motivated to start one myself. I'd rather work on more important stuff like ending wars, sound money, and free markets.

 

[phill4paul]

p4p, let's backtrack for a minute.

You originally posted:




Getting behind an initiative is not the same as leading one. You now seem to advocate that as a Catholic Christian I must lead the charge. Sorry, but I'm not that motivated to do so. As I said before, there are other issues that I consider more important right now (this whole Chick Fil-A thing was a major distraction more than anything else).


I don't really get the last sentence in your post above. I've been married for a very long time. Although I agree that government never should have involved itself in the business of marriage, there is only one thing I would probably notice if it were no longer the case, and that would be higher taxes as we would no longer receive a marriage tax deduction. Seems that would "shackle" me even more, so I would rather eliminate or greatly reduce income taxes before we kick government out of the marriage business. (As I said to you in previous posts, there are bigger fish to fry).


Having said all that, I will still keep my promise to get behind such an initiative if someone starts one. I'm not doing anything to block gay marriage, so it won't be difficult to put at least half of that energy into supporting your suggestion. But I'm not motivated to start one myself. I'd rather work on more important stuff like ending wars, sound money, and free markets.

I just want to know why your church/denomination ISN'T behind getting government out of marriage? Don't you? IF you believe that government has no role in church matters then why aren't the churches pushing it?

 

[cajuncocoa]

I just want to know why your church/denomination ISN'T behind getting government out of marriage? Don't you? IF you believe that government has no role in church matters then why aren't the churches pushing it?

I'll get their number for you; you can call them and ask.

Good night!

 

[phill4paul]

I'll get their number for you; you can call them and ask.

Good night!

Your church. Not mine. The change starts with people like you. If you choose.

 

[KingNothing]

Your church. Not mine. The change starts with people like you. If you choose.

We know those people wont bring about any change. Most religious people want marriage to stay between a man and a woman and want to use the powe rof the state to keep it that way. The religious people around here are probably principled eenough to see how silly that is,but their brothers on the outside arent so committed to liberty; hence the support for chick fil a

 

[KingNothing]

Sorry, I guess I got on a soap box and collectivized. But Truth be told. I've yet to hear of a Christian movement to put marriage out of governments hands. Zero.



Again, apologies. I do wonder though...are you putting ANY effort into ending the governments licensing of marriage?

It is important to remember that the people here may wax religious against the gays, they still believe in limited government. They are not our opposition.

 

[osan]

LoL, more intolerance from the tolerance crowd.

Perfect nutshell.

 

[osan]

It’s their city, not Prissy’s. Here's hoping they someday kick her and all her self-important comrades out on their smug butts.

Feh - never happen. Stupidity is a staple of life in the Big-A, especially these days. Not quite as big a shit-hole as Chicago or San Francisco, but the differences approach vanishing these days. My home town is lost.

 

[osan]

this. The protesters were vastly outnumbered by diners when I drove by the one in Hollywood, and if that was true in HOLLYWOOD, Torrence, which is much more conservative...

Yeah, but that's like saying the corpse on the left over there is more dead than the one on the right.

 

[osan]

This ridiculous nonsense is a great case in point illustrating in precise fashion why we are hosed.

When this large a proportion of a nation's population devolves to this profound a state of self-imposed and self-energizing stupidity, doom is not around the corner but rather upon us already.

 

[osan]

I'm not really sure what they hope to accomplish with all of this protesting. The CEO of Chick-Fil-A is 91 years old and a hardcore Christian. I'm sure a bunch of college students will be able to change his mind with a few kiss-ins, some spray paint, and some signs.

Chanting. You forgot the chanting. Gotta have chanting.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Your church. Not mine. The change starts with people like you. If you choose.

I don't choose. Bigger fish to fry. If you want it, go for it.

To me, you seem more intent on painting religious people as bigots.

We know those people wont bring about any change. Most religious people want marriage to stay between a man and a woman and want to use the powe rof the state to keep it that way. The religious people around here are probably principled eenough to see how silly that is,but their brothers on the outside arent so committed to liberty; hence the support for chick fil a

For this religious person, the support for CFA has to do with their 1st amendment right to free speech. Nothing more.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

The difference is that with marriage, there is responsibility. Fornication is just that, fornication.
I'm still trying to figure out what responsibility two people can have when there is absolutely no way they can procreate. Thus if there is no need for responsibility, then there is no need for marriage.

Marriage implies a responsibility toward each other, not just the offspring.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Sorry, I guess I got on a soap box and collectivized. But Truth be told. I've yet to hear of a Christian movement to put marriage out of governments hands. Zero.




Again, apologies. I do wonder though...are you putting ANY effort into ending the governments licensing of marriage?

What do you expect us to do?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm not a Christian, nor am I married nor am I gay. If you are one, two or all three of the aforementioned you have a greater vested interest than I.

That's not true. You may think we have a greater responsibility, but the vested interest varies from person to person. In fact, however, you have just as much of a responsibility as us. Many people don't have relatives in a war, but does that make them less obligated to help correct the problem? In either case, we should both be working just as hard if less government is our true goal.