Chick-fil-A Vandalized in Torrance, CA ("Tastes Like Hate")

[alucard13mmfmj]

From Star Trek's George Takei (Sulu) Facebook

Why the hell do we care wtf stance a fast food joint has on gay marriage. Seems like this is blown all out of proportion.

 

[angelatc]

I don't even know what Kos is. Never been on the website before. I simply Googled "Chick-Fil-A Family Research Council Hate" to see if I could find out why people call FRC a hate group, and this was one of the first links that came up.

OK, for your next assignment, Google "Southern Law Poverty Center." They're the liberal entity assigned to assigning the words "Hate Group" to people who try to stand in the way of the liberal agenda. If you look, you'll see that lots of this movement's leaders are on the same list. At this juncture, it's practically a badge of honor to get that branding.

Seriously, your opinion is based on knowing nothing except something you read on one of the most liberal sites on the internet? And you consider yourself well-informed enough to opine on this issue?

But if you insist on labeling me, you should know that I think abortion is murder, people should be free to pray on the steps of a public courthouse if they choose to, affirmative action is wrong, and disliking Obama does not make me racist. But I do think gay people should be allowed to get married if they want to.

And I think atheists who think we should remove "In God We Trust" from our money are overboard zealots who have too much time on their hands and give other atheists a bad name.

Am I still a Liberal? I could use your help here because I am confused as to what collective group I should be lumped in with.

Try "Troll."

 

[WhistlinDave]

OK, for your next assignment, Google "Southern Law Poverty Center." They're the liberal entity assigned to assigning the words "Hate Group" to people who try to stand in the way of the liberal agenda. If you look, you'll see that lots of this movement's leaders are on the same list.

Seriously, your opinion is based on knowing nothing except something you read on one of the most liberal sites on the internet? And you consider yourself well-informed enough to opine on this issue?

Try "Troll."

You quote me and say you hate Liberals (basically saying you hate me), and then when I respond to point out that you're labeling me based on an assumption and a partial understanding of my beliefs, you say I'm the one trolling for a fight? Wow. I really don't think that's fair. And I don't want to fight with you or anyone.

If you read my other posts, you'll see that my opinion is based on lots of things and I've written so much on it, it should be obvious this isn't any conclusion I just recently arrived at.

I simply was looking for something of more substance on the whole "hate" angle because I happen to agree that thinking homosexuality is a sin does not equal hating gays. So I was curious if there was any reasonable or logical basis for anyone calling Family Research Council a hate group. I was actually trying to be fair minded, whether you want to accept that or not.

 

[cajuncocoa]

From Star Trek's George Takei (Sulu) Facebook

Why the hell do we care wtf stance a fast food joint has on gay marriage. Seems like this is blown all out of proportion.

The "fast food chain" doesn't have such a stance. The president of Chick Fil-A made his views known on a radio show, and the Left went into action (overreaction, really)....a couple of mayors (Boston and Chicago) immediately stated that CFA restaurants would not be welcomed in their cities, etc....it all went downhill from there.

Got Freedom of Speech?

 

[Nickels]

Why the hell do we care wtf stance a fast food joint has on gay marriage. Seems like this is blown all out of proportion.

exactly. It's basically "We hate/love this business, and we want people to too, or at least know why we do, so they can choose"

 

[Nickels]

The "fast food chain" doesn't have such a stance. The president of Chick Fil-A made his views known on a radio show, and the Left went into action (overreaction, really)....a couple of mayors (Boston and Chicago) immediately stated that CFA restaurants would not be welcomed in their cities, etc....it all went downhill from there.

Got Freedom of Speech?

yes, we definitely got freedom of speech, we also got vote with our wallet. and you are correct, its not the chain's official policy to have a stance, but when a person is asked what his views are, sometimes they just tell it like it is. Maybe they lost employees and investors due to this, maybe they have more, we don't know, we just hear about angry consumers

 

[cajuncocoa]

Why the hell do we care wtf stance a fast food joint has on gay marriage. Seems like this is blown all out of proportion.

exactly. It's basically "We hate/love this business, and we want people to too, or at least know why we do, so they can choose"

That may be true for some...maybe, most.

For me, it's a First Amendment issue. I didn't care about it until the two mayors decided they would prohibit CFA from doing business in their cities due to the opinion of CFA's president. That's government overreach, IMO.

 

[cajuncocoa]

OK, for your next assignment, Google "Southern Law Poverty Center." They're the liberal entity assigned to assigning the words "Hate Group" to people who try to stand in the way of the liberal agenda. If you look, you'll see that lots of this movement's leaders are on the same list. At this juncture, it's practically a badge of honor to get that branding.

You got that right! (+rep) The SLPC is a joke.

 

[Nickels]

That may be true for some...maybe, most.

For me, it's a First Amendment issue. I didn't care about it until the two mayors decided they would prohibit CFA from doing business in their cities due to the opinion of CFA's president. That's government overreach, IMO.

I totally agree that is government overreach, and that is part of the overreaction.

 

[WhistlinDave]

And you consider yourself well-informed enough to opine on this issue?

Do you personally know anyone who is gay and who has ever expressed a desire to get married? A friend, family member, even just a friend of a friend? Have you ever had a detailed conversation with anyone in that situation and heard their story, and their feelings about this issue?

As someone who has more than one friend and family member in that situation, as well as several family members who are on the "keep gay marriage illegal" side of the debate, I'm guessing I'm probably far more informed on this issue than you are. (Maybe I'm wrong and you do know people personally who simply want the same thing the rest of us take for granted. Do you?)

 

[asurfaholic]

Though I agree with the vandalizers point, I disagree with their means of conveying it.

WHERE IS THE HATE?

Discrimination is essential to property rights, right wrong or indifferent. If discrimination were completely abolished there would be no property rights at all. It would take full socialism to even be attempted. Can you imagine if the discrimination in husband or wife based on physical traits were illegal? Or, who enters your home? Thieves would simply declare discrimination vs non-thieves.

The choice of the Toyota you own would be become immediately illegal - discriminatory against Ford...The government would have to manufacture one car for all called the "Uni" to prevent equally all forms of auto discrimination.

Those who wish to stop discrimination have good intentions, but posses the minds of the infantile for not seeing the full consequences of their doctrine.

What you are saying is absolutely correct, but it is also irrelevant to this situation.

Chickfila NEVER discriminated against anyone. These liberals are just butt hurt because they like to get butt hurt.. Some people say that because CFA donated to lobby the government to swing more to the right it is "hate" and "intolerant." I disagree.

The simple truth is that MARRIAGE is a BIBLICALLY defined joining of flesh, a man and woman join in marraige to become ONE. Now, why would a gay want to participate in a religious ritual, such as this? Frankly I believe homosexuality is morally wrong. It is sick and perverted. I am just part of millions who feel this way. But somehow, it consititutes HATE to disagree with the constant assault on the Christian concept of marraige? Wow. They are teaching in some schools that homosexuality is OK. They are trying to teach our kids that it is OK, and NORMAL that some kids have 2 mommies, or 2 daddies. I am not going to teach my kids that. And I don't want my schools to teach my kids that. Teach 1+1. Not moral issues.

I don't believe that gays care one bit about God and the concept of joining with your mate to become one. I would assume it has more to do with the state benefits one recieves for being married.

The problem isn't Chick-fila or religion or Christianity. The problem is the STATE's role in doling out benefits and "special rightsi" for those who are "married."

If these liberals really care about anything, they will stop protesting about a sandwich shop.

 

[JSaindon]

That may be true for some...maybe, most.

For me, it's a First Amendment issue. I didn't care about it until the two mayors decided they would prohibit CFA from doing business in their cities due to the opinion of CFA's president. That's government overreach, IMO.

They both retracted their statements and said while they can't forcefully stop CFA from coming into their cities, they just do not share the owner's beliefs. Obvios damage control because I along with many others (I assume) wrote a letter to that douche Emanuel in Chicago asking him what law gives him the power to prevent a business from moving in the city. This is just another P.R. stunt gone wrong. Both do not deserve any position of power, but in places like NYC and Chicago, I think the elections are decided by the insiders. Not the people. I never hear anything good about Chicago politicians, yet the same ones always get voted in, its comical really.

 

[BamaAla]

Since when is the Family Research Council a "hate group?" Disagree with a homosexual, black, Jew, or Muslim and all of a sudden you're a fucking hate group; get real.

 

[AuH20]

Since when is the Family Research Council a "hate group?" Disagree with a homosexual, black, Jew, or Muslim and all of a sudden you're a fucking hate group; get real.

That's what the SPLC says. Then again the SPLC was a likely minor accomplice in the OKC bombing. LOL So they have little to no credibility.

 

[AuH20]

WHERE IS THE HATE?



What you are saying is absolutely correct, but it is also irrelevant to this situation.

Chickfila NEVER discriminated against anyone. These liberals are just butt hurt because they like to get butt hurt.. Some people say that because CFA donated to lobby the government to swing more to the right it is "hate" and "intolerant." I disagree.

The simple truth is that MARRIAGE is a BIBLICALLY defined joining of flesh, a man and woman join in marraige to become ONE. Now, why would a gay want to participate in a religious ritual, such as this? Frankly I believe homosexuality is morally wrong. It is sick and perverted. I am just part of millions who feel this way. But somehow, it consititutes HATE to disagree with the constant assault on the Christian concept of marraige? Wow. They are teaching in some schools that homosexuality is OK. They are trying to teach our kids that it is OK, and NORMAL that some kids have 2 mommies, or 2 daddies. I am not going to teach my kids that. And I don't want my schools to teach my kids that. Teach 1+1. Not moral issues.

I don't believe that gays care one bit about God and the concept of joining with your mate to become one. I would assume it has more to do with the state benefits one recieves for being married.

The problem isn't Chick-fila or religion or Christianity. The problem is the STATE's role in doling out benefits and "special rightsi" for those who are "married."

If these liberals really care about anything, they will stop protesting about a sandwich shop.

But you don't object to civil unions? Right? Gays should be afforded that right? Just want to be sure you're on the right logical course here.

 

[AGRP]

This makes it official. The only crime committed in this entire fiasco.

 

[WhistlinDave]

OK, for your next assignment, Google "Southern Law Poverty Center." They're the liberal entity assigned to assigning the words "Hate Group" to people who try to stand in the way of the liberal agenda. If you look, you'll see that lots of this movement's leaders are on the same list. At this juncture, it's practically a badge of honor to get that branding.

OK, I did Google them. And they have been labeled by some others as a "Left Wing Hate Group." I guess anybody who hates anybody else's position or opinion can label them as full of hate. And that's what I was trying to avoid doing myself.

I don't agree with a lot of what this SLPC says and does, and frankly I don't care whether they or anyone else labels Family Research Council a hate group. I can make up my own mind if someone hates someone or not, based on their actions.

I don't think our Congress should be passing resolutions praising or condemning politics or laws in Uganda or any other country, first of all. But when they do, and then somebody spends money lobbying to urge our Congress NOT to condemn a law to put gays to death in Uganda just for being gay, and their reason for doing so is because
--they want Congress to send a message that homosexuality is not OK, and
--it's SO not OK that they are just fine with people in Uganda being killed for it,
I'm sorry, but I have to agree, that kind of "tastes like hate" to me. Somebody over there at Family Research Council seems to hate gay people.

That doesn't make me Liberal nor does it make SLPC right about everything, nor does it mean that all people who think marriage is between a man and a woman hate gay people. It just means that I agree with SLPC on that one thing based on the content and not labels or assumptions or what someone else says about them.

I also want to reiterate that I do NOT support government sanctions against Chick-Fil-A, nor do I not want to infringe on anyone's free speech or freedom of religion. If people think gays are evil and they're going to hell and marriage is between one man and one woman and they want to scream it from the rooftops, that is their right. Believe and say whatever you want, I have no problem with that.

I just don't want to financially support a company that financially supports groups who try to write laws in order to deprive people of their own freedom of religion (i.e. their freedom to define marriage for themselves and their freedom to marry whomever makes them happy).

And I'm not going to sit silently when I think people who are supposed to be Liberty-minded are approaching this gay marriage subject with the intention of depriving gay people of their Liberties for no justifiable reason. If that makes me a Liberal, then I guess go ahead and hate me, Angela. I'm truly sorry if you feel that way.

I'm happy to listen to all the reasons why you think I'm wrong.

 

[BamaAla]

That's what the SPLC says. Then again the SPLC was a likely minor accomplice in the OKC bombing. LOL So they have little to no credibility.

I'm ashamed to share a state with that group of thugs. As I said, disagree with a homo, black, JEW, or any other professional victim class and SPLC will certainly label you a hate group. F 'em.

 

[AuH20]

I think we need a heterosexual/homosexual summit of some type to clear the air. Both sides should bring their legitimate grievances (because both sides have valid points) to the forefront and hammer something out. I personally don't like when tools like Rick Santorum say being gay is a choice. That's just ridiculous. And I'm not too fond of the homosexual movement pushing into the elementary schools with their provocative sex ed nonsense as well as using the federal government as their hammer of forced compliance. I really wish both sides would stop the escalation and listen to each other. There has to be an amicable solution.

 

[WhistlinDave]

The simple truth is that MARRIAGE is a BIBLICALLY defined joining of flesh, a man and woman join in marraige to become ONE.

The simple truth is, there are many definitions of marriage, not just one.

Now, why would a gay want to participate in a religious ritual, such as this?

They don't. (Not most of them, anyway. Many Christian churches are fine with gay marriage and some gay people do get married in churches, but not most.)

Most of them want to participate in the version of marriage defined by the law, not the version defined by the Bible. And they don't want to deprive you of your right to define marriage the same way the Bible defines it. You can define it however you want for yourself; nobody has a problem with that. Nobody's trying to tell you or me or other straight people and/or Christians who they can or can't marry.

Gays just want other people to stop trying to deprive them of the freedom to define marriage for themselves and pursue their own happiness in the manner they choose for themselves. That's the simple truth. It sounds like they just want Liberty to me.