Chick-fil-A Vandalized in Torrance, CA ("Tastes Like Hate")

[dannno]

Ohh.

Well lets signup for a lesbian retreat and if they don't let us in then we can start a class-action lawsuit.

 

[WhistlinDave]

I don't think it's the Christ part of Christianity that gay rights advocates hate. Jesus said lots of things about love but never said one word about homosexuality while he walked the earth as God Incarnate. (Not in any version of the Bible I've ever seen.)

What they hate is people who spend millions of dollars collectively to try to write laws infringing on their freedoms, trying to force them to observe someone else's religion they don't believe in. (i.e. "Marriage is between a man and a woman because the Bible says so.")

If this still doesn't make sense, consider how you would feel if Muslims were spending millions of dollars lobbying to write a law saying Christian marriages are invalid. If you got married in a Christian church, it is not valid, not legal, you are not married in the eyes of society or the government. Why? Well because the one, true, word of God, the Qu'Ran, says so. Only marriages under Islam are valid. It's God's word. (Yes, coincidentally, those Muslims think the same thing about their one and only true holy book that Christians think about theirs. It's the only true word of God.)

So these Muslims are trying to make sure they protect Traditional Marriage, and they're going to change the law to make sure everybody is on the same page. It's for the good of society and the children.

Now how would you feel about those Muslims? Would you think they are nice people? Would you think it was great they cared so much about your soul and society that they were working very hard to take away your freedom to define for yourself what marriage is? Would you think it was great they know better than you do what you should believe and how you should form your family?

I don't agree with hate when it's just unfounded hate and prejudice. But you do have to understand, for a lot of people they have very good reason to not want to put up with Christians. Nobody is trying to tell Christians who they can and can't marry, or how they must define a word, or what they must believe. But many Christians are trying to write laws to do this to everyone else.

I'm just trying to point out the other side of this. I believe in judging every individual based on their character and actions, and I try not to make assumptions about someone just because they Christian, gay, Liberal, or whatever. Those are labels, not people.

 

[awake]

Ohh.

Well lets signup for a lesbian retreat and if they don't let us in then we can start a class-action lawsuit.

Actually I respect their right to discriminate, even though they try to fine and jail me for doing so. Its the proper example of liberty.

 

[WhistlinDave]

Handbag making schools?

LOL

 

[KingNothing]

Though I agree with the vandalizers point, I disagree with their means of conveying it.

 

[awake]

I don't think it's the Christ part of Christianity that gay rights advocates hate. Jesus said lots of things about love but never said one word about homosexuality while he walked the earth as God Incarnate. (Not in any version of the Bible I've ever seen.)

What they hate is people who spend millions of dollars collectively to try to write laws infringing on their freedoms, trying to force them to observe someone else's religion they don't believe in. (i.e. "Marriage is between a man and a woman because the Bible says so.")

If this still doesn't make sense, consider how you would feel if Muslims were spending millions of dollars lobbying to write a law saying Christian marriages are invalid. If you got married in a Christian church, it is not valid, not legal, you are not married in the eyes of society or the government. Why? Well because the one, true, word of God, the Qu'Ran, says so. Only marriages under Islam are valid. It's God's word. (Yes, coincidentally, those Muslims think the same thing about their one and only true holy book that Christians think about theirs. It's the only true word of God.) So these Muslims are trying to make sure they protect Traditional Marriage, and they're going to change the law to make sure everybody is on the same page. It's for the good of society and the children.

Now how would you feel about those Muslims? Would you think they are nice people? Would you think it was great they cared so much about your soul and society that they were working very hard to take away your freedom to define for yourself what marriage is? Would you think it was great they know better than you do what you should believe and how you should form your family?

I don't agree with hate when it's just unfounded hate and prejudice. But you do have to understand, for a lot of people they have very good reason to not want to put up with Christians. Nobody is trying to tell Christians who they can and can't marry, or how they must define a word, or what they must believe. But many Christians are trying to write laws to do this to everyone else.

I'm just trying to point out the other side of this. I believe in judging every individual based on their character and actions, and I try not to make assumptions about someone just because they Christian, gay, Liberal, or whatever. Those are labels, not people.

Christians who use government violence to "spread"(force) the word of God provided the very example that is now being used by the "oppressed minorities" to "spread" (force) the acceptability of certain life choices.

Both of these groups are interested in power, not the end of discrimination. Homosexuals and Christians share similar vision: they are both seeking to remove the ability to discriminate from the other while retaining the exclusive right to wield it via government violence.

 

[AuH20]

Specifically white denominated Christianity. Black congregations excluded of course. And don't forget Muslims as well. Sure, they may chop up the local homosexual and use his remains as fertilizer for their date garden, but you will never see this deluded movement utter a bad word at Mohammed for outlawing homosexuality. At their core, they are craven cowards, knowing full well that Christians aren't going to respond in kind.

 

[sailingaway]

Specifically white denominated Christianity. Black congregations excluded of course. And don't forget Muslims as well. Sure, they may chop up the local homosexual and use his remains as fertilizer for their date garden, but you will never see this deluded movement utter a bad word at Mohammed for outlawing homosexuality. At their core, they are craven cowards, knowing full well that Christians aren't going to respond in kind.

but that is my point in my comment above. Rights don't depend on the content of your belief or opinion but on the fact that you are ENTITLED to your belief or opinion, whatever it is.

 

[AuH20]

but that is my point in my comment above. Rights don't depend on the content of your belief or opinion but on the fact that you are ENTITLED to your belief or opinion, whatever it is.

I just wish they were ideologically consistent as opposed to selecting strategic targets of opportunity. I could respect that.
I'm shocked that Chick-Fil-A, an evangelical christian owned corporation is under attack by these folks. (sarc)

 

[Anti Federalist]

Though I agree with the vandalizers point, I disagree with their means of conveying it.

“we’re inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage. And I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude that thinks we have the audacity to redefine what marriage is all about.” - Dan Cathy

I don't know that statement constitutes "hate".

 

[awake]

Discrimination is essential to property rights, right wrong or indifferent. If discrimination were completely abolished there would be no property rights at all. It would take full socialism to even be attempted. Can you imagine if the discrimination in husband or wife based on physical traits were illegal? Or, who enters your home? Thieves would simply declare discrimination vs non-thieves.

The choice of the Toyota you own would be become immediately illegal - discriminatory against Ford...The government would have to manufacture one car for all called the "Uni" to prevent equally all forms of auto discrimination.

Those who wish to stop discrimination have good intentions, but posses the minds of the infantile for not seeing the full consequences of their doctrine.

 

[brooks009]

This is just a perfect example of how intolerance breeds intolerance. It also shows the results of government involvement in things they should not be involved in.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I'm not really sure what they hope to accomplish with all of this protesting. The CEO of Chick-Fil-A is 91 years old and a hardcore Christian. I'm sure a bunch of college students will be able to change his mind with a few kiss-ins, some spray paint, and some signs.


In fact he sounds like a really nice guy:

Cathy has dedicated his time and resources to many philanthropic causes, focusing on those related to the welfare of needy children. In 1984, Cathy established the WinShape Foundation, named for its mission to shape winners. WinShape Foundation consists of WinShape Homes, WinShape RetreatSM, WinShape MarriageSM, WinShape Camps, WinShape, College Program, WinShape Wilderness and WinShape International. In 2010, the foundation provided roughly $18 million to fund the development of foster homes and summer camp. Past donations from the WinShape Foundation include the funding of several college scholarships and marriage counseling programs. The foundation has awarded nearly 820 students of Berry College with scholarships of up to $32,000.

In 2008, Cathy's WinShape foundation became the winner of the William E. Simon Prize for Philanthropic leadership which awarded it $250,000 towards future philanthropy, as a result of its contributions to society. The prize was created to further ideals such as personal responsibility, resourcefulness, volunteerism, scholarship, individual freedom, faith in God, and helping people who help themselves. It honors living philanthropists who have shown exemplary leadership through their charitable giving, highlights the power of philanthropy to achieve positive change, and seeks to inspire others to support charities that achieve genuine results.

Additionally, Cathy has dedicated his time and resources towards welcoming homeless children into his home and has taught in Sunday school sessions. He has fostered children for over 30 years, and has since taken in nearly 200 foster children through WinShape Homes. WinShape Homes is a long-term foster care program that includes 11 foster homes throughout Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee.

 

[Nickels]

Discrimination is essential to property rights, right wrong or indifferent. If discrimination were completely abolished there would be no property rights at all.

Those who wish to stop discrimination have good intentions, but posses the minds of the infantile for not seeing the full consequences of their doctrine.

are you equating discrimination with choice?

 

[WhistlinDave]

He does sound like a really nice guy. So nice that he must not realize that when Chick-Fil-A's corporate charity entity WinShape donates millions of dollars to groups like Family Research Council, that he is supporting a group that lobbied Congress to NOT condemn the "Kill the Gays" bill in Uganda.

Can't understand why anyone thinks that buying a chicken sandwich could be supporting hate.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/01/1115751/-What-really-makes-the-gays-mad-about-Chick-fil-A

 

[KingNothing]

I don't know that statement constitutes "hate".

Those arrogant, prideful gay people! Wanting to get married like the rest of us! Those heathens, shaking their fist at God! Leviticus tells us that men should not marry men! And that our male and female slaves are to come from the nations around us; from them we may buy slaves. We may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become our property. So let's not shake our fists at god! Let's go buy slaves!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Those arrogant, prideful gay people! Wanting to get married like the rest of us! Those heathens, shaking their fist at God! Leviticus tells us that men should not marry men! And that our male and female slaves are to come from the nations around us; from them we may buy slaves. We may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become our property. So let's not shake our fists at god! Let's go buy slaves!

Your rant notwithstanding, how is what he said "hate"?

Hate is: "queers are disgusting and should be rounded up and shot".

What he said was a differing opinion based on a religious belief.

In a free society, people are allowed to have differing opinions and should not have to suffer government retribution because of it.

 

[Dr.3D]

You're rant notwithstanding, how is what he said "hate"?

Hate is: "queers are disgusting and should be rounded up and shot".

What he said was a differing opinion based on a religious belief.

In a free society, people are allowed to have differing opinions and should not have to suffer government retribution because of it.

Yeah, it's not like he said they were queer as a football bat.

 

[KingNothing]

You're rant notwithstanding, how is what he said "hate"?

Hate is: "queers are disgusting and should be rounded up and shot".

What he said was a differing opinion based on a religious belief.

In a free society, people are allowed to have differing opinions and should not have to suffer government retribution because of it.

When did I EVER -EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER- say he should suffer government retribution? All I've said is that his views are obscene, antiquated and stupid, and that as a society we need to better ourselves so that we grow and don't fall victim to such a silly line of thinking.

 

[angelatc]

He does sound like a really nice guy. So nice that he must not realize that when Chick-Fil-A's corporate charity entity WinShape donates millions of dollars to groups like Family Research Council, that he is supporting a group that lobbied Congress to NOT condemn the "Kill the Gays" bill in Uganda.

Can't understand why anyone thinks that buying a chicken sandwich could be supporting hate.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/01/1115751/-What-really-makes-the-gays-mad-about-Chick-fil-A

Liberals in the movement suck. I hate liberals. Go find something on Kos about that.