"Chicago Gun Deaths on Obama’s Watch Nearly Overtake Iraq War Deaths Under Bush"

[dannno]

From our own history. Ending Prohibition did not put an end to crime. They just moved into other areas.

You gotta be fucking kidding me.. Of course prohibition isn't going to put "an end to crime". Nobody is fucking arguing that.. Such a ridiculous strawman.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The problem is too few jobs which makes illicit activities one of the few ways to make money.

You're right, which is why US economic policy should be geared toward creating and keeping good middle class jobs here in the US and not race to the bottom global socialism

 

[Anti Federalist]

gorilla?

It is not the president's job to make sure Chicago is safe from Chicagoans. It is his job to ensure foreign armies don't invade.

I just hurt myself...LOLOLOL

In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

 

[BV2]

Maybe Obama should send the military into Chicago and every city and town and seize all of the guns in the entire country. House to house searches and stop and frisk on the streets. That might end it. (problem is gang on gang violence).

What would Ron or Rand Paul do if they were president? Could they prevent the violence?

Yeah. By ending prohibition and giving those who participate in the drug/sex market access to both police protection and the courts. Happy you asked. I see you already straw manned this. Honestly, though, the culture has been so fucked up by your drug war-and its components- that even aften ending prohibition it would probably take a generation, at least, for things in places like Englewood, Austin, Humbolt park, Garfield Park, Rogers Park, Hyde Park to return to anything approaching normal.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Legalizing drugs will only drive gangs or gangsters into some other form of black market. The problem is too few jobs which makes illicit activities one of the few ways to make money. The shootings are over control and turf. Legal drugs won't make things all better in Chicago.

Corrupt cops, drug dealers and unusual "yes we can" interpretations created a weird mix in Chicago given news reports like this out of there:

Operation Brass Tax

Corrupt Chicago Police Were Taxing Drug Dealers and Targeting Their Rivals

In another, “Obama” was mistaken for the president of the United States, when in fact it was a reference to the dope line at the Ida B. Wells Homes operated by a drug dealer named Kamane “Insane” Fears. His crew wore Obama T-shirts (“Yes We Can!”) as a form of marketing rather than an expression of political allegiance. When challenged by the police — “What’s with the shirts?” — they would respond that they were supporting the black presidential candidate from the South Side of Chicago.

Two years after the murder of Kamane Fears, purveyor of the Obama dope line, Spalding and Echeverria made a major advance in the investigation. The homicide remained unsolved, and under the pretext of investigating the case, they reached out to those who had been close to Fears. By pretending to be interested only in the murder, they hoped to make it easier for those they interviewed to talk freely about the operation of the drug trade and thereby gather intelligence about Watts’s criminal enterprise. The strategy worked. Over time, they developed a relationship with Fears’s former girlfriend.

Fears had been shot outside her home on the 3700 block of Calumet. She was a nursing student at Kennedy-King College. Spalding described her as “well-spoken, no attitude, she had made good choices.” Then she met Kamane Fears. “By the time she realized who he was, she was in love and pregnant.” The young woman, who could not be reached for comment, became a major source for Spalding and Echeverria. She gave them valuable information about the drug trade. She told them where the Obama dope line stash houses were and described the internal workings of the operation.

During this period, Spalding and Echeverria also talked with Kamane’s mother and his brother Jerome, aka Monk, who had assumed leadership of the Obama drug operation. The relationships they developed were such that when the mother died, the family invited them to the wake.

One day, as they drove past 37th and Indiana, Monk flagged them down. He leaned in Echeverria’s window, and the three talked for about 45 minutes. Moments after they parted, Spalding received a call from a DEA agent she knew. They set up a meeting in a nearby alley.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/06...xing-drug-dealers-and-targeting-their-rivals/

 

[brushfire]

From our own history. Ending Prohibition did not put an end to crime. They just moved into other areas. http://law.jrank.org/pages/12363/Prohibition-What-happened-next.html



Highlighted portion sound familiar?



http://www.history.com/topics/mafia-in-the-united-states



Homicides did decline but the numbers of people in jails continued to rise.

I owe you a more detailed response with some quotes from the articles you cited - I simply dont have time at this very moment to give you the reply you deserve.

I did want to thank you for entertaining the discussion, and also point out that I was not speaking in absolutes. The focus on my discussion, and the topic in general, seems to be the homicide rate in Chicago. We'd agreed on the fact that the great majority of the homicides are due to gang violence. It seems we may also agree that the homicide rate declined after the repealing of prohibition. I dont want to put words in your mouth, but I might further assume that we both agree on the fact that making drugs legal would have a similar impact on the gang violence and homicides in Chicago. IMO this approach would yield better results, at a lesser overall social/financial cost than the militarization/federal military action idea.

You do bring up a good point about the incarceration rate. That's a very interesting discussion as well, but probably one that needs its own topic. The so called land of the free does have the highest incarceration rate in the world - how unfortunate.

Lastly, there is something to be said for the unskilled job base, and lower levels of employment. Yet another topic that would be interesting to discuss is the big push in IT for artificial intelligence. When coupling this effort with the effects of inflation, I think the future looks very gloomy for the lower class and the non-technical workforce. Naturally there will be an equilibrium, and some jobs can simply not be automated in a practical fashion, but things will probably look more like they do in China and India, at least from a workforce standpoint. ..sorry for the tangents, more to come.