Cheney-Bush junta has decided to bomb Iran on April 4th or 6th!?
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I might be more worried if this wasn't already like the 10th "We're bombing Iran next week!" story to come out in the past 2 years.
I wait patiently for this to happen every day, but I'm becoming rather numb to these "Bush is bombing Iran next week" stories.
I'm pretty sure the word wouldn't be getting out like this if it was really going to happen. And this iiiiiiiis the internet, afterall.
I wait patiently for this to happen every day, but I'm becoming rather numb to these "Bush is bombing Iran next week" stories.
I'm pretty sure the word wouldn't be getting out like this if it was really going to happen. And this iiiiiiiis the internet, afterall.
An announcement wouldn't make much of a difference in an air campaign. We'd be sending in the stealth planes in the dark of night, and the Iranians couldn't really do anything about it, even if they knew when we were coming.
It's our Navy that would be at highest risk if they get anywhere near the Iranian shore prior to the "shock and awe" campaign. A massive buildup would be an announcement of sorts, and the Iranians have a bunch of Russian ship-killer missiles. Admiral Fallon is no dummy, and doesn't want to see his Navy--- which he spent 30+ years of his life in--- be catastrophically decimated. Admiral Mullen (the CJCS) is also well-aware of the potential consequences. So I don't think the Navy would be too heavily involved. It would be us here in the Air Force to begin with... kinda makes me glad I've never "officially" let the AF know that I've been learning Farsi on my own.
Iran is not a war that we can afford to fight. It would be a suicide mission for thousands of troops. Many said the same thing about Iraq back in 2003, but the situations are fundamentally different. We won't be taking Tehran anywhere near as quickly as we did Baghdad, IMO. And that's not even accounting for the international blow-up that would ensue.
Still, I don't think that this is anything more than another internet rumor. We won't know until/if it happens.
It's our Navy that would be at highest risk if they get anywhere near the Iranian shore prior to the "shock and awe" campaign. A massive buildup would be an announcement of sorts, and the Iranians have a bunch of Russian ship-killer missiles. Admiral Fallon is no dummy, and doesn't want to see his Navy--- which he spent 30+ years of his life in--- be catastrophically decimated. Admiral Mullen (the CJCS) is also well-aware of the potential consequences. So I don't think the Navy would be too heavily involved. It would be us here in the Air Force to begin with... kinda makes me glad I've never "officially" let the AF know that I've been learning Farsi on my own.
Iran is not a war that we can afford to fight. It would be a suicide mission for thousands of troops. Many said the same thing about Iraq back in 2003, but the situations are fundamentally different. We won't be taking Tehran anywhere near as quickly as we did Baghdad, IMO. And that's not even accounting for the international blow-up that would ensue.
Still, I don't think that this is anything more than another internet rumor. We won't know until/if it happens.
Lew Rockwell: Cheney-Bush junta has decided to bomb Iran on April 4th or 6th!?
Terrible rumors from Russia continue to swirl around the Middle East that the Cheney-Bush junta has decided to bomb Iran on April 4th or 6th, targeting not only nuclear-power research facilities but ships, planes, antiaircraft installations, and the Iranian pentagon. Apparently the nuclear-power reactor being built by Russian companies will be spared, but not much else. Will it happen? Certainly the neocon hate network is working overtime to make it so. Bush fired the anti-neocon Admiral Fallon. One thing we know for sure: it will be the typical Bush administration snafu, with horrific consequences for the region and the world, not to speak of the Iranian people, and reap much trouble for the US empire. Indeed, it could mark the end of the empire if, as Bill Lind worries, the Iranians in retaliation cut off water-food-ammo supply routes to US troops in Iraq, and, with the help of Shiite militians, capture large numbers of them. Need I mention that Ron Paul, our champion of peace, is the leading opponent of war on Iran?
http://thelastmovement.blogspot.com/2008/03/lew-rockwell-cheney-bush-junta-has.html
Terrible rumors from Russia continue to swirl around the Middle East that the Cheney-Bush junta has decided to bomb Iran on April 4th or 6th, targeting not only nuclear-power research facilities but ships, planes, antiaircraft installations, and the Iranian pentagon. Apparently the nuclear-power reactor being built by Russian companies will be spared, but not much else. Will it happen? Certainly the neocon hate network is working overtime to make it so. Bush fired the anti-neocon Admiral Fallon. One thing we know for sure: it will be the typical Bush administration snafu, with horrific consequences for the region and the world, not to speak of the Iranian people, and reap much trouble for the US empire. Indeed, it could mark the end of the empire if, as Bill Lind worries, the Iranians in retaliation cut off water-food-ammo supply routes to US troops in Iraq, and, with the help of Shiite militians, capture large numbers of them. Need I mention that Ron Paul, our champion of peace, is the leading opponent of war on Iran?
http://thelastmovement.blogspot.com/2008/03/lew-rockwell-cheney-bush-junta-has.html
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debunked?
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1888.shtml
Operation Bite: April 6 sneak attack by US forces against Iran planned, Russian military sources warn
Mar 26, 2007, 01:02
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._may_attack_Iran_on_April_6
Reports from the Israeli website Debka.com, which reports on intelligence matters, say that the United States is planning to launch air strikes on Iran targets on Good Friday, April 6 at 4:00 a.m. local time (UTC+3:30), citing unnamed Russian intelligence officials.
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Israeli website reports speculation over U.S. attack on Iran in April
Russian intelligence has information that the U.S. Armed Forces stationed in the Persian Gulf have nearly completed preparations for a missile strike against Iranian territory.
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Israeli website reports speculation over U.S. attack on Iran in April
—Russian intelligence official
The Under Secretary for Political Affairs at the United States State Department, Nicholas Burns, however, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Thursday that diplomacy was the "best and preferred" course of action in dealing with Iran, adding "I do not believe a military confrontation with Iran is either desirable or inevitable."
Another newspaper, the Russian weekly "Argoumenty Nedeli" (Week Arguments) is quoted by the Russian Information Agency (RIA) Novosti as saying that the attack is planned for a single continuous attack of 12 hours from 4am to 4pm, with the choice of the Easter holidays in many Western countries likely since "Western opinion" will be "on holidays". Friday 6 April is cited by Novosti as a likely, though not definite, date. Another RIA Novosti report written in French and dated March 30 states that the US military command is ready to make an attack during the first fortnight of April, but that any final decision will be made by US political leaders.
The targets will be "Iranian nuclear installations" that will be "designed to be devastating enough to set Tehran’s nuclear program several years back," said the website quoting unnamed Russian intelligence officials.
United States forces completed a large-scale series of military exercises in the Persian gulf off the Iranian coastline this week, involving 15 ships, 125 aircraft and 13,000 sailors. Naval commanders said the exercises were meant to demonstrate United States' commitment to security in the region, including keeping sea-lanes open for oil shipment and were defensive in nature.
Despite the claims by the Russian official, Iran does not think that the U.S. can "pressure" the U.S. tax payers into another war.
"U.S. officials are under pressure from Americans. I don't think the U.S. is in a position to mount its pressure on the U.S. taxpayers," said Manuchehr Mottaki, Iran's Foreign Minister.
The Gulf Cooperation Council has called on its member nations - Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, all home to U.S. forces in the region, to not take part in an attack on Iran. Qatar and the Emirates have already said that they would not.
"Russian intelligence has information that the U.S. Armed Forces stationed in the Persian Gulf have nearly completed preparations for a missile strike against Iranian territory. The Pentagon has drafted a highly effective plan that will allow the Americans to bring Iran to its knees at minimal cost," said the unnamed Russian intelligence official as reported by RIA Novosti a Russian based news agency.
The strike force is allegedly going to be composed of the "USS Nimitz and its support ships" which will join forces with the John C. Stennis strike group when it leaves the U.S. on April 2.
Although the Nimitz is scheduled to relieve the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, all three ships will remain in the Persian Gulf if the 15 British sailors and marines being detained by Iran are not released and will also remain if any armed conflict begins between the two nations.
The USS Bataan and USS Boxer will also be part of the strike force.
The Nimitz strike force will be "composed of the USS Princeton guided-missile cruiser, four guided missile destroyers – the USS Higgins, USS Chafee, USS John Paul Jones and the USS Pinckney. The strike force is armed with two helicopter squadrons and a special unit for dismantling sea mines and other explosive devices," said Debka according to Russian intelligence officials.
USS Nimitz (CVN-68), a US Navy aircraft carrier. Photo is from after her 1999-2001 refit.
USS Nimitz (CVN-68), a US Navy aircraft carrier. Photo is from after her 1999-2001 refit.
Despite the claim, Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov says that the situation will be resolved "peacefully."
"We are constantly working on how to resolve the situation around the Iranian nuclear program and other conflicts peacefully. This policy is unchanged and we will pursue it in the future," said Lavrov.
Russian intelligence officials also say that the recent U.S. military exercise in the Gulf on March 27 was "practice" for the strike in April and that it will be up the U.S. "leadership" to give the go ahead as by April, the military is expected to be ready for the strike.
Different sources agree that the attack is allegedly only going to take place by air and will last 12 hours. No attack by land is expected. The attack is allegedly going to be called "Operation Bite."
Russia's Defense Ministry refuses to comment on the reports.
This was all from last year, its safe to assume this is debunked.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1888.shtml
Operation Bite: April 6 sneak attack by US forces against Iran planned, Russian military sources warn
Mar 26, 2007, 01:02
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._may_attack_Iran_on_April_6
Reports from the Israeli website Debka.com, which reports on intelligence matters, say that the United States is planning to launch air strikes on Iran targets on Good Friday, April 6 at 4:00 a.m. local time (UTC+3:30), citing unnamed Russian intelligence officials.
...
Israeli website reports speculation over U.S. attack on Iran in April
Russian intelligence has information that the U.S. Armed Forces stationed in the Persian Gulf have nearly completed preparations for a missile strike against Iranian territory.
...
Israeli website reports speculation over U.S. attack on Iran in April
—Russian intelligence official
The Under Secretary for Political Affairs at the United States State Department, Nicholas Burns, however, testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Thursday that diplomacy was the "best and preferred" course of action in dealing with Iran, adding "I do not believe a military confrontation with Iran is either desirable or inevitable."
Another newspaper, the Russian weekly "Argoumenty Nedeli" (Week Arguments) is quoted by the Russian Information Agency (RIA) Novosti as saying that the attack is planned for a single continuous attack of 12 hours from 4am to 4pm, with the choice of the Easter holidays in many Western countries likely since "Western opinion" will be "on holidays". Friday 6 April is cited by Novosti as a likely, though not definite, date. Another RIA Novosti report written in French and dated March 30 states that the US military command is ready to make an attack during the first fortnight of April, but that any final decision will be made by US political leaders.
The targets will be "Iranian nuclear installations" that will be "designed to be devastating enough to set Tehran’s nuclear program several years back," said the website quoting unnamed Russian intelligence officials.
United States forces completed a large-scale series of military exercises in the Persian gulf off the Iranian coastline this week, involving 15 ships, 125 aircraft and 13,000 sailors. Naval commanders said the exercises were meant to demonstrate United States' commitment to security in the region, including keeping sea-lanes open for oil shipment and were defensive in nature.
Despite the claims by the Russian official, Iran does not think that the U.S. can "pressure" the U.S. tax payers into another war.
"U.S. officials are under pressure from Americans. I don't think the U.S. is in a position to mount its pressure on the U.S. taxpayers," said Manuchehr Mottaki, Iran's Foreign Minister.
The Gulf Cooperation Council has called on its member nations - Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, all home to U.S. forces in the region, to not take part in an attack on Iran. Qatar and the Emirates have already said that they would not.
"Russian intelligence has information that the U.S. Armed Forces stationed in the Persian Gulf have nearly completed preparations for a missile strike against Iranian territory. The Pentagon has drafted a highly effective plan that will allow the Americans to bring Iran to its knees at minimal cost," said the unnamed Russian intelligence official as reported by RIA Novosti a Russian based news agency.
The strike force is allegedly going to be composed of the "USS Nimitz and its support ships" which will join forces with the John C. Stennis strike group when it leaves the U.S. on April 2.
Although the Nimitz is scheduled to relieve the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, all three ships will remain in the Persian Gulf if the 15 British sailors and marines being detained by Iran are not released and will also remain if any armed conflict begins between the two nations.
The USS Bataan and USS Boxer will also be part of the strike force.
The Nimitz strike force will be "composed of the USS Princeton guided-missile cruiser, four guided missile destroyers – the USS Higgins, USS Chafee, USS John Paul Jones and the USS Pinckney. The strike force is armed with two helicopter squadrons and a special unit for dismantling sea mines and other explosive devices," said Debka according to Russian intelligence officials.
USS Nimitz (CVN-68), a US Navy aircraft carrier. Photo is from after her 1999-2001 refit.
USS Nimitz (CVN-68), a US Navy aircraft carrier. Photo is from after her 1999-2001 refit.
Despite the claim, Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov says that the situation will be resolved "peacefully."
"We are constantly working on how to resolve the situation around the Iranian nuclear program and other conflicts peacefully. This policy is unchanged and we will pursue it in the future," said Lavrov.
Russian intelligence officials also say that the recent U.S. military exercise in the Gulf on March 27 was "practice" for the strike in April and that it will be up the U.S. "leadership" to give the go ahead as by April, the military is expected to be ready for the strike.
Different sources agree that the attack is allegedly only going to take place by air and will last 12 hours. No attack by land is expected. The attack is allegedly going to be called "Operation Bite."
Russia's Defense Ministry refuses to comment on the reports.
This was all from last year, its safe to assume this is debunked.
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Scary.
I'd like to see Iranian anti-aircraft missiles and Russian fighter jets take out zog aircraft.
What would happen if zog had to take on real opposition? Would zog pilots really want to confront the Russians?
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised that once a few zog aircraft were shot down, the zog air force would mutiny out of fear.
Zog troops may have the same mentality as punk cops. They swagger as long as they get to beat up people weaker than they are. But let them face someone who can fight back, they'll run. American soldiers of WW II were tough as hell. Today's American soldier, with a few exceptions, is a bully and a punk.
I'd like to see Iranian anti-aircraft missiles and Russian fighter jets take out zog aircraft.
What would happen if zog had to take on real opposition? Would zog pilots really want to confront the Russians?
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised that once a few zog aircraft were shot down, the zog air force would mutiny out of fear.
Zog troops may have the same mentality as punk cops. They swagger as long as they get to beat up people weaker than they are. But let them face someone who can fight back, they'll run. American soldiers of WW II were tough as hell. Today's American soldier, with a few exceptions, is a bully and a punk.
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Dirtyp, do you what "rumors from Russia" is Lew Rockwell talking about? What is the source of these rumors?
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The start date of "shock and awe" was known by all well in advance. The government announced the date the war would start, I'm not sure why they did this, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did it again.
I think this specific story is nothing more then an unfounded rumor though.
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I posted on a similar thread that I have little faith in the manhood of today's American soldier. It's easy to swagger and talk tough when you're a big guy, dressed in your bullet proof vest, holding a high-powered rifle, and surrounded by all your armed buddies, when you're shouting threats at little Iraqi kids.
Let's see what these punks do if they're faced with guys who can fight back. Will zog pilots have the guts to confront Russian fighter pilots?
Let's see what our punks do, when their supply lines are cut off, and they're surrounded on every side by Shiite militias.
The same American soldier who talked so tough when yelling at Iraqi families in their cars will be crapping his pants.
Let's see what these punks do if they're faced with guys who can fight back. Will zog pilots have the guts to confront Russian fighter pilots?
Let's see what our punks do, when their supply lines are cut off, and they're surrounded on every side by Shiite militias.
The same American soldier who talked so tough when yelling at Iraqi families in their cars will be crapping his pants.
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I'm not quite sure how to respond to this base caricature of the American armed forces.
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the source is the article from LAST YEAR.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=130657&page=3
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=130657&page=3
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Respond by being willing to admit the truth about them. It is not anti-American to want your country to be civilized and decent. When America becomes a bully on the world stage, you don't say "My country right or wrong." You stand up and say, "Enough!"
When American soldiers are torturing and sexually humiliating Iraqi civilians, you demand that it stop.
When American soldiers attack innocent people and kill little kids, you stand up for the innocent.
If you are a real American, that is what you do.
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Yeah... the same date. I see it now...
Saturday, March 31, 2007
Reports from the Israeli website Debka.com, which reports on intelligence matters, say that the United States is planning to launch air strikes on Iran targets on Good Friday, April 6 at 4:00 a.m. local time (UTC+3:30), citing unnamed Russian intelligence officials.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._may_attack_Iran_on_April_6
I asked about it because there is nothing in Russian media about it what so ever....
There is one site which always reports these sort of things - http://newsru.com
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I am concerned because of the original poster of the rumor...Lew Rockwell broke it on daily paul....so unless someone assumed his name I'm pretty sure he typed that and he's usually not one to lie or mislead.
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As someone with multiple family members who have served, or are serving, I feel you are quite off the mark.
I do not stand by the actions some took, and have spoken out against those that were unethical. However, I would argue that the vast majority of the young men and woman bravely serving our country do not take part in these actions as you insinuate.
But if you wish to bash the entire armed forces because of the sad actions of a select few, go ahead.
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the "entire armed forces" are what facilitate the actions of "the few"
truly one of those situations where the 98% ruin it for the other 2.
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Perhaps, but that does not mean that all of them are, as in his words, 'punks'.
He's entitled to his view, and I my own. Let's leave it at that and part ways, as I'd rather not steer this thread further of course if possible.
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