Cheating, Patting us on the back and say 2nd Place is OK is NOT acceptable

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Oh it's fishy! The perfectly legal kind of fishy. The non-Paul delegates pooled their votes onto one "uncommitted" ticket, which won the top 15 spots in most districts. ONLY the top 15 spots go on to the next caucus. Some of those on the uncommitted ticket were also on the McCain ticket. Thus, RP could beat any one of the other candidates, but not the whole buch pooled together, with crossovers on multiple tickets. Thus, McCain got more guys on the top 15 than anyone else, and will move on to the next caucus.

Now the LA GOP's job is to smooth our feathers so we don't get really really pissed that the other Candidates are so united against Paul that they will team up against him to keep him from winning. They will tell us how organized we were and how passionate we were, and how patriotic we were, and how we came in second, but they will not point out that we got more votes than any SINGLE candidate, and that second place gets us jack shit.

Of course, we still have to count the provisional ballots which are probably mostly ours, so there's a little hope.



In a discracefull, cowardly move the supporters of Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, and Mitt Romney ganged up on Ron Paul supporters and set up a “fusion” slate of unpledged candidates. The “fusion” Delegate slate, labeled the “Pro-Life/Pro-Family” slate, beat the Ron Paul slate in each of the 7 U.S. House districts. These developments show us that it is an anyone but Paul race, and they are scared.


R.W.D January 23, 2008

GOP - fascists united against Ron Paul
DNC - commies united against Ron Paul
MSM - state run media united against Ron Paul

We the People - United For Ron Paul




James O Says:
January 23rd, 2008
This will blow up in the face of the Louisiana GOP. Generally, no one cares about the Louisiana Caucus. However, if it can be shown that “the powers that be” colluded to prevent a Ron Paul win, well, that’s news.

I suspect organized effort to subvert the democratic process will garner more publicity and support than Ron Paul would have received had he won the caucus outright. Fox News tried to exclude Ron Paul from a debate, and it’s still wiping the egg of its face. This is an actual caucus. People all over the country are going to latch on to this as proof of the oft mentioned “conspiracy” to exclude Ron Paul. Thanks Louisiana GOP, you may as well have made a Ron Paul commercial.




Ahh the Corruption...


Villere Announces Caucus Results
Uncommitted Slate, McCain Lead in Preliminary Count
January 23, 2008


Republican Party of Louisiana Chairman Roger F. Villere, Jr. today announced the preliminary results of delegate elections held at GOP caucuses across the state on Tuesday evening.

More than 10, 000 Republican voters met at 11 locations around Louisiana to choose delegates to the 2008 Louisiana Republican Convention, which will elect nearly all of Louisianaâ€, , s delegates to the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

â€, , Preliminary results show that a majority of the 105 state convention delegates who have been elected ran on a statewide pro-life uncommitted slate, ” Villere said. â€, , I congratulate the candidates and supporters of this group on their victory and look forward to working with them to keep our Party platform pro-life at the state and national conventions, ” he said.

Delegate candidates endorsed by US Senator John McCain (R-AZ) appear to have won more state convention delegate positions than any other presidential slate at the Louisiana Caucuses.

â€, , I offer my congratulations Senator John McCain on his success in the Louisiana caucuses, ” Villere said. â€, , Senator McCain is an American hero and this is further evidence that he enjoys strong support in Louisiana and throughout the South, ” he said.

Supporters of Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) appear to have captured the next highest number of delegate positions.

â€, , I applaud the supporters of Congressman Paul for their enthusiasm and superior organizational ability, ” Villere said. â€, , Our Party needs the infusion of new activists who have both political skill and a passion for protecting the freedoms guaranteed to us by the Constitution, ” he said. â€, , I left the caucus with a renewed commitment to promote our core Republican principles of limited government and individual freedom, thanks to the zeal displayed by Congressman Paulâ€, , s Louisiana supporters, ” Villere said.

In addition to the uncommitted delegates and McCain and Paul supporters, Governor Mitt Romney appears to have won a handful of state convention delegates.

â€, , Governor Romney and his team have worked hard for over a year in Louisiana to build a strong organization, ” Villere said. â€, , The Governor has been to Louisiana more than any other GOP candidate, including one trip specifically to appear at a state party fundraising dinner, ” he said. â€, , Governor Romney has shown a commitment to Louisiana that is second to none and the strong support he has here is an indication that Louisiana Republicans are excited about his candidacy, ” Villere said.

Results from Louisianaâ€, , s Republican caucuses and the informal designation of a â€, , winning slate” are preliminary for two reasons. First, about 500 individuals who attended the event were not shown to be registered Republicans on voter rolls. These individuals were allowed to cast â€, , provisional ballots, ” which are not included in the current candidate tallies on the Partyâ€, , s website, www.lagop.com. State Party staffers are currently working with Registrars of Voters across the state to confirm with certainty the eligibility of each candidate. Party rules allow anyone registered as Republican as of November 30, 2007 to have voted last evening. The ballots of those who are found eligible will be added to totals and the outcomes of some races in Districts 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 could possibly be affected.

Second, candidates for delegate in Louisiana historically have run on one or another slate, but not on multiple slates. This year, however, many candidates ran on more than one slate. There was significant overlap, for example, between the McCain and Pro-Life slates. So determination of which slate won is not as clear-cut. But it certainly appears that the order was: Uncommitted Pro-Life, McCain, Paul, Romney, others.

Identification of candidates with the various slates is not an official Party function and such analysis is provided solely as a courtesy to members of the press and as a response to the numerous inquiries received by the Party regarding this topic.

Results of provisional ballot analysis will be updated regularly on the Partyâ€, , s website until a final count is reached.

Chairman Villere wishes to thank everyone who participated in the 2008 Louisiana Caucuses.
 
Please stop crying foul if you don't understand the process. Last night was not a "presidential caucus" - it was a *STATE PARTY CONVENTION* caucus.

The vote is on Feb. 9th. Yes, one of the responsibilities for those elected as delegates is to later determine who Louisiana Republicans will endorse for President. But for the majority of those that attended it is about going to the State convention to set a variety of policies and platforms for the party and to position the party in upcoming local and State elections and initiatives.

It is really nothing more than a beauty pageant for local people to flaunt as a status symbol at their cocktail parties that they know enough people and are influential enough to get elected as a delegate.

It is an old boy's network party that we attempted to crash. We did fairly well considering most of us were new to the process.

The key is to learn how your local processes work and apply these lessons.

There is enough organized opposition to Ron Paul without having to dream up conspiracies. Let's overcome those, the actual ones, and stop wasting time complaining about the imagined ones.
 
This post sucks.

You haven't understood a single thing that has been posted multiple times.
 
this post is right on,it was unethical what the lagop did,you guys seem to ignore the facts ,they did everything they could so ron paul couldnt win,we NEED TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE ,the lagop actions will only motivate everyone of us to keep pushing RON PAUL and the general citizens will see this for what it is corruption;)
 
this post is right on,it was unethical what the lagop did,you guys seem to ignore the facts ,they did everything they could so ron paul couldnt win,we NEED TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE ,the lagop actions will only motivate everyone of us to keep pushing RON PAUL and the general citizens will see this for what it is corruption;)

Ron Paul on "good manners" -

Samuel Adams, likewise, warned future generations. He referred to "good manners" as the vital ingredient a free society needs to survive. Adams said: "Neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."

You are right, and it's quite a sight to see a small army running around all day on these LA threads, demontrating "bad maners" by obfuscating around the "letter of the law". As if "the law" written by the mountebanks would have anything to do with "good manners".

State 1:
a- they cheated
b- grow up, move on, nothing to see...

State 2:
a- but that's fraud
b- they can do whatever they want, move on, hand out flyers...

State 3:
a- the fix is in, let's get the bastards
b- be nice, don't do anything that will hurt the campaign, donate, move on...

.
.
.

State 50:
a- but, but...
b- bye, suckers...

And then, they complain about typos...
 
Ron Paul on "good manners" -

Samuel Adams, likewise, warned future generations. He referred to "good manners" as the vital ingredient a free society needs to survive. Adams said: "Neither the wisest Constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."

You are right, and it's quite a sight to see a small army running around all day on these LA threads, demontrating "bad maners" by obfuscating around the "letter of the law". As if "the law" written by the mountebanks would have anything to do with "good manners".

State 1:
a- they cheated
b- grow up, move on, nothing to see...

State 2:
a- but that's fraud
b- they can do whatever they want, move on, hand out flyers...

State 3:
a- the fix is in, let's get the bastards
b- be nice, don't do anything that will hurt the campaign, donate, move on...

.
.
.

State 50:
a- but, but...
b- bye, suckers...

And then, they complain about typos...

QFT
 
They will tell us how organized we were and how passionate we were, and how patriotic we were, and how we came in second, but they will not point out that we got more votes than any SINGLE candidate, and that second place gets us jack shit.

We have some people on this same forum saying the same feel-good shit.
 
they did everything they could so ron paul couldnt win

This had nothing to do with RP. It had everything to do with Fred Thompson.

The GOP establishment in LA had picked the Thompson slate as the one they would all run on. Had he not dropped out, the finish in the caususes would have been Thompson-McCain-Paul instead of PLPF-McCain-Paul (pending provisional ballots, of course).

When it became obvious a few weeks back that Thompson might not make it to LA, the establishment came up with a fallback plan, the PLPF slate, because they figured people wouldn't want to vote for a guy who had dropped out.

Doing this also enabled them to reach out to a handful of other campaigns' delegates before the caucuses -- heck, they even included a token RP person according to one thread on this forum. That isn't cheating, it's just standard cooalition politics, the kind of stuff that goes on at every level of gov't every day.

This wasn't about Paul, this was just the LA GOP making sure no one took away "their" seat at the table.
 
so tell me folks - just how do you plan to take a brokered convention?

may i suggest coalition building starts now and may look different from one state to the next

see how many people of principle you can get through the process and keep shining the light on the process!

treat all people graciously and fairly and insist on the same for your people. what amazing concepts . . .
 
This had nothing to do with RP. It had everything to do with Fred Thompson.

The GOP establishment in LA had picked the Thompson slate as the one they would all run on. Had he not dropped out, the finish in the caususes would have been Thompson-McCain-Paul instead of PLPF-McCain-Paul (pending provisional ballots, of course).

When it became obvious a few weeks back that Thompson might not make it to LA, the establishment came up with a fallback plan, the PLPF slate, because they figured people wouldn't want to vote for a guy who had dropped out.

Doing this also enabled them to reach out to a handful of other campaigns' delegates before the caucuses -- heck, they even included a token RP person according to one thread on this forum. That isn't cheating, it's just standard cooalition politics, the kind of stuff that goes on at every level of gov't every day.

This wasn't about Paul, this was just the LA GOP making sure no one took away "their" seat at the table.


This is also wrong as well. The GOP establishement is split between McCain and Romney mostly.

The PL/PF slate was NOT mostly Thompson people. National Review is wrong on that. It was Thompson, Romney, McCain and Huckabee people.
 
The PL/PF slate was NOT mostly Thompson people. National Review is wrong on that. It was Thompson, Romney, McCain and Huckabee people.

I stand corrected on the Thompson point. However, I think the larger analysis holds: PLPF wasn't about "stopping Ron Paul." It was about the LA GOP preserving their perks.
 
I think it was both, really.... well, more like they weren't going to let a bunch of newcomers who didn't play their game take their spots. The fact that we support Ron Paul didn't help either.
 
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Can someone please clarify, did he take second here, or is there still a chance he gets first by counting more votes?

The LAGOP site has McCain the winner, is that final?
 
Oh it's fishy! The perfectly legal kind of fishy. The non-Paul delegates pooled their votes onto one "uncommitted" ticket, which won the top 15 spots in most districts. ONLY the top 15 spots go on to the next caucus. Some of those on the uncommitted ticket were also on the McCain ticket. Thus, RP could beat any one of the other candidates, but not the whole buch pooled together, with crossovers on multiple tickets. Thus, McCain got more guys on the top 15 than anyone else, and will move on to the next caucus.

Now the LA GOP's job is to smooth our feathers so we don't get really really pissed that the other Candidates are so united against Paul that they will team up against him to keep him from winning. They will tell us how organized we were and how passionate we were, and how patriotic we were, and how we came in second, but they will not point out that we got more votes than any SINGLE candidate, and that second place gets us jack shit.

Of course, we still have to count the provisional ballots which are probably mostly ours, so there's a little hope.

Oh good, I can post now. Hello, newb here. Just joined to point out that this guy stole these words of mine from a myspace forum, and that they were born out of regurgitated stuff I read on these forums plus too much coffee. I would surely take the Louisiana supporters' words over mine.

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?...n=A8FD660D-536F-4680-83D7B653B098DA8237325228

Thanks!

& don't steal my words.:mad:
 
Well, drama queens or not... what I heard yesterday was basically that we had LA in the bag, that it was ours. To come and find it not so is quite interesting if not disheartening. I reiterate what someone else said earlier: "What happened?" From what I gathered, this was totally ours... 15/15 delegates in one place... and now I hear we have a total of 5?! WHAT?! Did I miss something?
I'm VERY confused now. Today makes no sense compared to yesterday.
 
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