Charlottesville Antifa Steamrolled By Car

[dannno]

She is chubby and young, doesn't mean she has a cardiac problem. She was out and about protesting and plus, she was rushed to the hospital a short time after the accident. I think she should have made it had it been just the heart attack she was dealing with.

She was not "chubby" she was morbidly obese...

 

[juleswin]

She was not "chubby" she was morbidly obese...

Still, it takes years of abuse to build plaque and damage the heart to end up with a heart attack. I believe if she did have a heart attack it must have been brought about by the accident. Blood loss, arrhythmia, hemorrhage etc.

 

[dannno]

Still, it takes years of abuse to build plaque and damage the heart to end up with a heart attack. I believe if she did have a heart attack it must have been brought about by the accident. Blood loss, arrhythmia, hemorrhage etc.

As someone who worked in the medical industry, I will assume you must just need a reminder that those things don't cause a heart attack, they can however cause cardiac arrest.

Had Heather's mom said she died of cardiac arrest, and if that is the case, then it is possible the accident caused the cardiac arrest as opposed to lifestyle.

However if she had a heard attack, that is specifically attributed primarily to genes, lifestyle and diet. The accident would have merely triggered it.

Since many people don't know the difference, it is possible that Heather's mom erroneously said "heart attack" when in fact she died of cardiac arrest.

However if Heather's mom was correct and she did die of a heart attack, then it is extremely likely that the accident was a trigger for her death as opposed to the primary cause.

 

[Influenza]

He intentionally rammed the car into the crowd/other cars, that's not an "accident."

 

[dannno]

He intentionally rammed the car into the crowd/other cars, that's not an "accident."

That's highly debatable.

There were road blocks all over and he tried to exit out of the area to the east and had to loop back around to the north, then west, then tried to exit south. I presume he didn't want to go west.. but the point is he was kinda lost and trying to get out of there, Antifa was everywhere and they had weapons and were throwing bricks and beating people.

He followed a car in front of him, the one he hit, went through the crowd. When he went through the crowd, they became angry and hit his car with a weapon. He was in fear for his life, his car had been damaged and he didn't know the car in front of him that was blocked by people was stopped there and he crashed into it.

 

[juleswin]

As someone who worked in the medical industry, I will assume you must just need a reminder that those things don't cause a heart attack, they can however cause cardiac arrest.

Plaque build up, blood clot, vessel rupture, choking etc can all lead to a heart attack. Anything that would lead to poor blood circulation to the heart can give u a heart attack. Also a cardiac arrest can come as a result of a heart attack so I am not really sure what you are trying to say here

Had Heather's mom said she died of cardiac arrest, and if that is the case, then it is possible the accident caused the cardiac arrest as opposed to lifestyle.

However if she had a heard attack, that is specifically attributed primarily to genes, lifestyle and diet. The accident would have merely triggered it.

Since many people don't know the difference, it is possible that Heather's mom erroneously said "heart attack" when in fact she died of cardiac arrest.

However if Heather's mom was correct and she did die of a heart attack, then it is extremely likely that the accident was a trigger for her death as opposed to the primary cause.

Cardiac arrest can be triggered by trauma, in this case, motor vehicular accident trauma leading to a cardiac arrest. My guess is she went into cardiac arrest after that the car hit her in the chest cause her electrical signals to go haywire, she then went into V tach and her heart stopped after a few mins in that rhythm. What I am trying to say is that heart attack or cardiac arrest, the driver is most likely the cause of her death. Now if the argument is that he did not even hit her or he wasn't the driver, then I will support a pardon from Trump.

 

[phill4paul]

He intentionally rammed the car into the crowd/other cars, that's not an "accident."

That is the prosecutions case. And they will have to prove it. I don't see how they will be able to prove malice aforethought. Which is needed in a first degree murder case. They have thrown the whole book at him in the hopes that he will cop a plea, so they can call it a win. I'm glad he plead "not-guilty." I don't think they stand a hope in hell of proving it. I imagine by the time it goes to court they will be seeking a manslaughter charge instead.

 

[Influenza]

That's highly debatable.

There were road blocks all over and he tried to exit out of the area to the east and had to loop back around to the north, then west, then tried to exit south. I presume he didn't want to go west.. but the point is he was kinda lost and trying to get out of there, Antifa was everywhere and they had weapons and were throwing bricks and beating people.

He followed a car in front of him, the one he hit, went through the crowd. When he went through the crowd, they became angry and hit his car with a weapon. He was in fear for his life, his car had been damaged and he didn't know the car in front of him that was blocked by people was stopped there and he crashed into it.

Ahh I see, it was ok that he rammed his car into the crowd because he didn't realize there was a car (that you claim he JUST followed) there also. He was so lost that after ramming his car into the crowd, he immediately reversed, and got the fuck out of there, suddenly not lost at all and capable to easily escape. Your analysis doesn't even stand up against the most basic scrutiny.

 

[dannno]

Plaque build up, blood clot, vessel rupture, choking etc can all lead to a heart attack. Anything that would lead to poor blood circulation to the heart can give u a heart attack. Also a cardiac arrest can come as a result of a heart attack so I am not really sure what you are trying to say here



Cardiac arrest can be triggered by trauma, in this case, motor vehicular accident trauma leading to a cardiac arrest. My guess is she went into cardiac arrest after that the car hit her in the chest cause her electrical signals to go haywire, she then went into V tach and her heart stopped after a few mins in that rhythm. What I am trying to say is that heart attack or cardiac arrest, the driver is most likely the cause of her death. Now if the argument is that he did not even hit her or he wasn't the driver, then I will support a pardon from Trump.

So I don't think you realize it but you kinda arrived at my point on your own.

If it was cardiac arrest that killed her, and NOT a heart attack (like her mother said), then it likely emanated from the accident.. whereas if a heart attack caused the cardiac arrest, then it was likely triggered by the accident as opposed to the primary cause.

 

[dannno]

Ahh I see, it was ok that he rammed his car into the crowd because he didn't realize there was a car (that you claim he JUST followed) there also. He was so lost that after ramming his car into the crowd, he immediately reversed, and got the fuck out of there, suddenly not lost at all and capable to easily escape. Your analysis doesn't even stand up against the most basic scrutiny.

Here is some basic scrutiny for you:

If he felt his life was in danger from the crowd (it was a violent mob attacking his car, before he hit anybody), then he had a right to try and get out of there and preserve his life. He is not in fact obligated to stay there and die from being attacked by a violent mob as you seem to believe. At first, after his car was attacked with a weapon before he hit anybody by following the car in front of him, and then when his car crashed, by reversing and trying to get out of there alive.

 

[Influenza]

Here is some basic scrutiny for you:

If he felt his life was in danger from the crowd (it was a violent mob attacking his car, before he hit anybody), then he had a right to try and get out of there and preserve his life. He is not in fact obligated to stay there and die from being attacked by a violent mob as you seem to believe. At first, after his car was attacked with a weapon before he hit anybody by following the car in front of him, and then when his car crashed, by reversing and trying to get out of there alive.

There was no violent mob attacking his car. One of the videos it looked like 1 person swung something at the back of his car, occurring about 2 seconds before he shouted, according to you, "MUH LYFE!!" and decided to charge into a group of people and vehicles, that clearly extended well beyond the point of the initial collision, endangering his life far more than simply reversing and taking another route.

 

[dannno]

There was no violent mob attacking his car. One of the videos it looked like 1 person swung something at the back of his car, occurring about 2 seconds before he shouted, according to you, "MUH LYFE!!" and decided to charge into a group of people and vehicles, that clearly extended well beyond the point of the initial collision, endangering his life far more than simply reversing and taking another route.

See, now you are just playing the leftist dumbshit role. That isn't going to convince anybody.

We all saw the videos of violent antifa mobs going out to "Bash the Fash", they were throwing bags of feces, bags of urine, rocks, bricks, cement filled soda cans and they had all sorts of violent weapons and had several violent clashes already that day..

So for you to say there was no violent mob just sounds retarded..

He knew he might be driving into a violent mob, but he was trapped downtown and lost and didn't know how to get out.

So, like I said, HE FOLLOWED ANOTHER FUCKING CAR. That is not an unreasonable approach to take.

He saw a big group of people, probably wasn't sure what side they were on until he got closer. But he kept following the car in front of him, figuring they would create room enough for him to follow them out. The other car got absorbed into the mob Homer style, and so when they started attacking his car (which, put a huge dent in his fender and if you have ever been in an accident of any type in a car you would know how loud and scary something like that would actually sound from inside the car), he got scared.

In fact, he was so scared he shit his pants. That is how the police found him. If he was doing it on purpose, he probably wouldn't have shit his pants because he would have expected the outcome that occurred. Instead he likely did not expect that outcome, thus shitting his pants.

 

[navy-vet]

See, now you are just playing the leftist dumb$#@! role. That isn't going to convince anybody.

We all saw the videos of violent antifa mobs going out to "Bash the Fash", they were throwing bags of feces, bags of urine, rocks, bricks, cement filled soda cans and they had all sorts of violent weapons and had several violent clashes already that day..

So for you to say there was no violent mob just sounds retarded..

He knew he might be driving into a violent mob, but he was trapped downtown and lost and didn't know how to get out.

So, like I said, HE FOLLOWED ANOTHER $#@!ING CAR. That is not an unreasonable approach to take.

He saw a big group of people, probably wasn't sure what side they were on until he got closer. But he kept following the car in front of him, figuring they would create room enough for him to follow them out. The other car got absorbed into the mob Homer style, and so when they started attacking his car (which, put a huge dent in his fender and if you have ever been in an accident of any type in a car you would know how loud and scary something like that would actually sound from inside the car), he got scared.

In fact, he was so scared he $#@! his pants. That is how the police found him. If he was doing it on purpose, he probably wouldn't have $#@! his pants because he would have expected the outcome that occurred. Instead he likely did not expect that outcome, thus $#@!ting his pants.

out of rep

 

[navy-vet]

There was no violent mob attacking his car. One of the videos it looked like 1 person swung something at the back of his car, occurring about 2 seconds before he shouted, according to you, "MUH LYFE!!" and decided to charge into a group of people and vehicles, that clearly extended well beyond the point of the initial collision, endangering his life far more than simply reversing and taking another route.

ahhhh Bull Crap!

 

[Madison320]

That is the prosecutions case. And they will have to prove it. I don't see how they will be able to prove malice aforethought. Which is needed in a first degree murder case. They have thrown the whole book at him in the hopes that he will cop a plea, so they can call it a win. I'm glad he plead "not-guilty." I don't think they stand a hope in hell of proving it. I imagine by the time it goes to court they will be seeking a manslaughter charge instead.

Can they change the charges now that he has pleaded not guilty? That doesn't seem right somehow. Then again nothing in this case seems right. He's been in jail for almost a year now. It'll probably be a year and a half by the time this thing goes to trial. Doesn't that violate the right to a speedy trial?

Here's another thing that doesn't seem right. It appears that people that got injured in the violence from the protests are suing the people that organized the protest! Don't you need to sue the people that actually caused the injuries not the organizers? How can organizers of a protest be responsible for the actions of everyone that attend their protest? Can't this be used to squelch any controversial protest?

Court rules Charlottesville victims can advance suit against white nationalists


https://wtkr.com/2018/07/10/court-rules-charlottesville-victims-can-advance-suit-against-white-nationalists/

 

[dannno]

Can they change the charges now that he has pleaded not guilty? That doesn't seem right somehow. Then again nothing in this case seems right. He's been in jail for almost a year now. It'll probably be a year and a half by the time this thing goes to trial. Doesn't that violate the right to a speedy trial?

Here's another thing that doesn't seem right. It appears that people that got injured in the violence from the protests are suing the people that organized the protest! Don't you need to sue the people that actually caused the injuries not the organizers? How can organizers of a protest be responsible for the actions of everyone that attend their protest? Can't this be used to squelch any controversial protest?

Court rules Charlottesville victims can advance suit against white nationalists


https://wtkr.com/2018/07/10/court-r...-can-advance-suit-against-white-nationalists/

Hah, so you can go to somebody else's protest who has a permit, cause violence and mayhem, then sue them when you get hurt?? Amazing..

 

[Madison320]

Hah, so you can go to somebody else's protest who has a permit, cause violence and mayhem, then sue them when you get hurt?? Amazing..

Only if you are in a protected group.

There's something I've been meaning to add to this topic. A lot of people here say things like "who cares, the guy is a Nazi". Remember that to many people on the left libertarians are closely related to Nazis and other "right wing" extremist groups.

 

[Valli6]

This is all nuts though, since the report Charlottesville paid for, already said it was due to the incompetence of the cops and city government.

I see no way any of these law suits can possibly be successful. It's like they're intentionally setting people up for disappointment and there will probably be rioting after each loss. (Anyone else taken a look at Charlottesville's replacement for the police chief? EGAD! Bigger moron than the last one!)

 

[Swordsmyth]

 

[Valli6]

Dwayne Dixon encouraged Heather Heyer's death and is proud of it

Listen to Dwayne Dixon direct counter protestors to stop traffic with their bodies!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LX59Ral_7Q

EDIT - IMPORTANT CORRECTION!
Although this video clearly demonstrates (between 1:35 to 2:16) that antifa leaders instruct naive protestors to walk out in front of cars - WHILE NEVER TAKING ON SUCH DANGEROUS ROLES THEMSELVES! - closer inspection reveals that this footage was likely recorded at a previous protest, NOT THE MORNING OF THE CHARLOTTESVILLE RIOT! A sign with the words “Rocks Bar and Hair Shop” appears on the left side of the screen. Googling “Rocks Bar and Hair Shop” shows us that this business is located in Durham, NC, not Charlottesville. There was a protest in Durham NC on May first and that is likely where this particular set of instructions was recorded. If you share this still-important video, DO NOT spread more misinformation by claiming that it’s from Charlottesville, just prior to Heather Heyer being injured - as is claimed in the video.
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@ 1: 35 of video:

…Slow down traffic. Be willing to put your bodies on the line. But if the cops aren’t gonna stop them, they all know you’re here, right? They’re gonna drive on your ass... or someone’s gonna get hopped up, and [garble] gonna run your ass over, right? …RIGHT? [Yeah]

Alright. So we know traffics coming this way, right? [motions] Get in that intersection… and start turning traffic that way [motions] Get someone down the NEXT block, to start screaming if shit comes towards us, right? Right!. MOVE! [motions] MOVE! Some of you stay here. Some of you who are willing to put your shit down, go over there! Get ready to get hit! (2:16)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LX59Ral_7Q