Charlottesville Antifa Steamrolled By Car

[Madison320]

I haven't been following this at all...

So, the trial hasn't actually started, they're still in pre-trial hearings?

The hearing previous to today's was in August.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Okay, so Google tells me the trial hasn't started, hasn't even been an indictment yet.

I'll check back in when the Nazi *** is closer to his comeuppance.

 

[angelatc]

I'm confused about something. Shouldn't the news reports tell the evidence the state has to charge him with 1st degree murder or is it a secret?

The defense has the right to see the evidence, but the public doesn't.

 

[Madison320]

Okay, so Google tells me the trial hasn't started, hasn't even been an indictment yet.

I'll check back in when the Nazi *** is closer to his comeuppance.

We should just skip the trial and hang him for being a Nazi. /s

Ironically the Nazis and the BLMs should get along great, they have a lot in common. They're both socialists.

 

[Valli6]

12/14/17 - preliminary hearing

Yesterday was a "preliminary hearing" and according to the memorandum:

…cases will be presented to a regular grand jury of the Charlottesville Circuit Court on Monday, December 18, 2017 at 9:30 am. Further proceedings will be scheduled at that time...

The charges are now:

1 felony count of hit and run
5 felony counts of malicious wounding
3 felony counts of aggravated malicious wounding and
1 felony count of first degree murder​

 

[Madison320]

The defense has the right to see the evidence, but the public doesn't.

That's sounds accurate, it's just that in other recent, highly controversial racial cases (Jena 6, Duke Lacrosse, Zimmerman, Michael Brown) it seemed like we were getting hourly updates on new evidence. This one is incredibly secretive.

 

[CaptUSA]

99.9999999999% of prosecutors care about nothing but their conviction rate.

It's highly unlikely that the prosecutor is trying to do anything other than convict (or get a plea).

Ummm... Unless said prosecutor knows there's no way he's getting a conviction for murder in this case.

In that case, he has an incentive to raise the charges to 1st degree to make it seem as though he was trying to throw the book at the guy. Then, he can blame the jury or his own over-zeal for the loss instead of the evidence.

 

[Madison320]

Ummm... Unless said prosecutor knows there's no way he's getting a conviction for murder in this case.

In that case, he has an incentive to raise the charges to 1st degree to make it seem as though he was trying to throw the book at the guy. Then, he can blame the jury or his own over-zeal for the loss instead of the evidence.

I'm not sure the reason, but the media and prosecution have a really bad record in these cases. If you look at the evidence we've seen in this case objectively, you'd have to conclude there's a decent possibility he's innocent. I think anybody who is 100% positive he's innocent or guilty has some major bias either way.

 

[Valli6]

Charlottesville Police Chief has resigned

Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d7f097e_story.html?nid&utm_term=.4e69b623f942

Charlottesville police chief resigns in wake of report on white supremacist rally
By Joe Heim December 18

Charlottesville Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned abruptly Monday, just 17 days after the release of a report that was highly critical of the Police Department’s handling of an August white supremacist rally that turned deadly in the Virginia city.

The 207-page report prepared by Timothy Heaphy, a former U.S. attorney for the Western District of Virginia, concluded that the Police Department was ill-prepared, lacked proper training and had a flawed plan for managing the Unite the Right rally that drew hundreds of neo-Nazis and white nationalists to Charlottesville on Aug. 12 and resulted in violent clashes with counterprotesters. The lack of adequate preparation led to “disastrous results,” Heaphy wrote.

Thomas, an Air Force veteran who previously was chief of the Lexington, Va., Police Department, had led the Charlottesville agency only since May 2016. He was the city’s first black police chief.... (more)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d7f097e_story.html?nid&utm_term=.4e69b623f942

 

[phill4paul]

Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned today.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...d7f097e_story.html?nid&utm_term=.4e69b623f942

Let's wait and see who is next employer is. Follow the money.

 

[phill4paul]

Okay, so Google tells me the trial hasn't started, hasn't even been an indictment yet.

I'll check back in when the Nazi *** is closer to his comeuppance.

Is he closer now? Has your programmed outrage been assuaged? No need for a trial. It's heads on pikes without trial!!!!

You're about as close to a progressive as it comes.

 

[Madison320]

Police Chief Alfred Thomas resigned today.

This can't be right. According to this the trial date is set for Nov 26! So he's already going to have sat in jail for a year and a half before the trial even starts????


http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Trial-date-set-for-Fields-467899263.html

 

[devil21]

99.9999999999% of prosecutors care about nothing but their conviction rate.

It's highly unlikely that the prosecutor is trying to do anything other than convict (or get a plea).

Fun fact: Every case where a prosecutor does not secure any conviction, the costs of the case are paid by the prosecutor out of a trust fund they must maintain. IOW, the prosecutor holds all of the financial liability of the case unless and until it can be transferred to you via a conviction. This is why conviction rates, regardless of the level of charge (charge is a financial term!), is a prosecutor's priority. They don't want to foot the bill for the case if they can't get you to pay the costs.

 

[Madison320]

According to this article he waived his right to a speedy trial. That makes more sense but it still seems weird that he would agree to stay in jail for a year and a half. Unless they let him out on bail, but I thought bail was denied.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/fields-set-for-three-week-trial-in-november/article_d497a604-f0be-11e7-bc83-f7eff49a1576.html

 

[Madison320]

Fun fact: Every case where a prosecutor does not secure any conviction, the costs of the case are paid by the prosecutor out of a trust fund they must maintain. IOW, the prosecutor holds all of the financial liability of the case unless and until it can be transferred to you via a conviction. This is why conviction rates, regardless of the level of charge (charge is a financial term!), is a prosecutor's priority. They don't want to foot the bill for the case if they can't get you to pay the costs.

I'm assuming that's only for criminal cases?

 

[Valli6]

According to this article he waived his right to a speedy trial. That makes more sense but it still seems weird that he would agree to stay in jail for a year and a half. Unless they let him out on bail, but I thought bail was denied.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/local/fields-set-for-three-week-trial-in-november/article_d497a604-f0be-11e7-bc83-f7eff49a1576.html

Almost an entire year before the trial starts? Yeah, seems way too long.
And why would he "waive his right to a speedy trial"? Are there any circumstances where that might make sense?
Odd.

 

[dannno]

Almost an entire year before the trial starts? Yeah, seems way too long.
And why would he "waive his right to a speedy trial"? Are there any circumstances where that might make sense?
Odd.

The article claims both sides need that much time to prepare.. shit man, we already had the case cracked and all the evidence in the first few days..

 

[devil21]

I'm assuming that's only for criminal cases?

Good question. The vast majority of civil suits don't involve a government (corporation) prosecutor so the costs are generally the responsibility of the parties (exceptions being frivolous cases or agreement by settlement/judgment). It is worth noting that cases like traffic violations are actually civil contract cases. Most cases alleging "victimless crimes" are also civil contract cases though they are presented as being "criminal".

 

[Madison320]

Almost an entire year before the trial starts? Yeah, seems way too long.
And why would he "waive his right to a speedy trial"? Are there any circumstances where that might make sense?
Odd.

Not to mention it's already been 5 months since the incident occurred. It doesn't say whether he's out on bail, that's the only thing that would make sense. He was denied bail in the beginning, but I don't know if that can change. The whole thing is fishy and I'm about the most non-conspiracy person here.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

The article claims both sides need that much time to prepare.. $#@! man, we already had the case cracked and all the evidence in the first few days..

Kinda sounds like Las Vegas case time schedules. . .