Charlie Sheen Rake$ It In On Tour

[PatriotOne]

Regardless, Patriot, I see your point. Things happened pretty fast. However, I believe Sheen has the resources and connections to make it happen. And are you sure you're not blowing things out of proportion? I mean, this is just another two-bit reality show. Its not a remake of Ben Hur.

Not sure what I am blowing out of porportion. I'm just voicing my sneaky suspiscion that Sheen is taking 9/11 truth on the road and am waiting to see if my intuition is correct...lol.

 

[PatriotOne]

Sheen has not revealed the content of the show, other than to call it "the REAL story."

hmmmmmmmmmm....feelers are tingling again

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I've had this suspicion for the past couple weeks that all these Charlie Sheen antics have been leading up to something else. Time will tell but I think his show is going to be about 9/11 truth and it was all calculated from the get go. Did he want to be fired and released from his contract? It certainly seemed that way. Violent Torpedo of Truth tour. hmmmmmmmm

Is it just me or has anyone else been getting this vibe?

Alex Jones getting a fill in for his show. AJ spending time at Sheen's home. Hmmmmm Alex going on tour with Sheen? Hmmmmmm

Maybe just wishful thinking but my feeler's are up and working overtime. lol

 

[anaconda]

Building 7 man... hahaha 9/11 does NOTHING for the liberty movement. GIVE IT UP PLEASE.

I find it utterly admirable when people refuse to allow the corporate media and their peers dictate what is acceptable discourse. If we fell in line like good little sheep there would be no Ron Paul Revolution and Rand Paul would be in surgery at this moment.

I learned about Ron Paul from Alex Jones in 2007.

It saddens me when anyone tries to belittle another for asking serious and difficult questions.

 

[Agorism]

9/11 Truth has done just about EVERYTHING to date for the liberty movement. Like it or not......it's why the liberty movement exists at all today.

Wasn't it Politico a while back that talked about the weird Libertarian coalition that has taken shape within the Paul movement of hardcore Libertarians mixed in with fringe conspiracy theorists?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Completely and utterly "in denial". But that's okay with me as long as your on the same team.

P1, seriously, branch out and read something besides conspiracy websites.

If you did, you would know that there have been people fighting this crap for a very long time. Way before 9/11.

It's you making these ridiculous statements attributing all of Ron Paul's success to the 9/11 truther movement, that really is antagonistic and insulting. If that's your goal, then job well done.

Note: It's not yet determined whether we are on the same team or not.

 

[anaconda]

Wasn't it Politico a while back that talked about the weird Libertarian coalition that has taken shape within the Paul movement of hardcore Libertarians mixed in with fringe conspiracy theorists?

And hasn't the media tried to portray Ron Paul as a wing nut racist fringe nut job?

 

[mac_hine]

Building 7 man... hahaha 9/11 does NOTHING for the liberty movement. GIVE IT UP PLEASE.

 

[dannno]

AA mostly just changes people's addition to cigarettes which are deadly (because of the chemical fertilizers used to grow tobacco contain small amounts of radiation). I don't know how you can say that they have saved countless lives.

There is nothing more sad and yet hilarious than to watch a bunch of people sitting in a circle talking about how they got over their addiction while all sucking down cigarettes like there is no tomorrow.

I have no problem with support groups or people who want to stop drinking or doing drugs, but AA has a ridiculous structure and they teach people dumb shit.. for example, they teach you that you have a disease and you can't manage your addiction problem on your own and must turn to a higher power. I don't have a problem with turning to a higher power, but to teach people that they can't do something on their own doesn't seem like the greatest idea.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have no problem with support groups or people who want to stop drinking or doing drugs, but AA has a ridiculous structure and they teach people dumb shit.. for example, they teach you that you have a disease and you can't manage your addiction problem on your own and must turn to a higher power.

Well, Danno, it may be ridiculous to you, but I can't imagine how it would be harmful to cause people to turn to Christ and His word. Note that I did not say church.

I'll stop here, because I don't want to totally derail this thread, but I cannot let your statement go by without saying something.

 

[EndDaFed]

I have no problem with support groups or people who want to stop drinking or doing drugs, but AA has a ridiculous structure and they teach people dumb shit.. for example, they teach you that you have a disease and you can't manage your addiction problem on your own and must turn to a higher power. I don't have a problem with turning to a higher power, but to teach people that they can't do something on their own doesn't seem like the greatest idea.

Some people can't give up addictive things. We are not all wired the same. In some cases it would be akin to telling a schizophrenic to just snap out of it.

 

[dannno]

Some people can't give up addictive things. We are not all wired the same. In some cases it would be akin to telling a schizophrenic to just snap out of it.

Again, I have no problem with support groups, I understand that some people have a hard time giving up addictive things..but just because some people can't give up addictive things, does that mean we should get them addicted to something that will kill them?

Also it doesn't make sense to say that it is impossible for people to give up addictive things, so they must trick their mind into giving them up by lying to themselves. I guess I would rather be honest with myself than lie to myself for the sake of convenience. b

 

[YumYum]

AA mostly just changes people's addition to cigarettes which are deadly (because of the chemical fertilizers used to grow tobacco contain small amounts of radiation). I don't know how you can say that they have saved countless lives.

There is nothing more sad and yet hilarious than to watch a bunch of people sitting in a circle talking about how they got over their addiction while all sucking down cigarettes like there is no tomorrow.

I have no problem with support groups or people who want to stop drinking or doing drugs, but AA has a ridiculous structure and they teach people dumb shit.. for example, they teach you that you have a disease and you can't manage your addiction problem on your own and must turn to a higher power. I don't have a problem with turning to a higher power, but to teach people that they can't do something on their own doesn't seem like the greatest idea.

I agree with you about the cigarettes, but you must remember, these are people whose lives are unmanageable because of alcohol; not cigarettes. Have you ever met a person who was so severe an alcoholic that when he vomited his blood he saved it, to drink later because it had alcohol in it and he was broke? I have; in fact I have met a couple of people in recovery who did this. People think that only drug addicts prostitute their bodies for their addiction. This is not true; alcoholics do too. I have stories that the average person could not handle; Hollywood couldn't write the scripts. Yet, these same people are now pillars in their community, and some of them are Ron Paul supporters. I am not disagreeing with you that there are things about AA that seem like bullshit, but that is because you and I are not alcoholics. It works for them, and that is what is important. Alcoholics have discovered that if they keep going back to AA, it works. The reason Charlie Sheen hates AA is because he is not ready to get clean and sober.

 

[dannno]

Well, Danno, it may be ridiculous to you, but I can't imagine how it would be harmful to cause people to turn to Christ and His word. Note that I did not say church.

I'll stop here, because I don't want to totally derail this thread, but I cannot let your statement go by without saying something.

Well AA doesn't say "turn to Jesus", they say turn to a higher power, so according to them you can turn to Satan or whoever else you can imagine to quit drinking.

I'm not going to argue with you on your point, if somebody wants to give up alcohol and become Christian, that's fine, but ultimately that person is still making the decision not to drink by changing their lifestyle. The way AA does it, they make you think that you need to be completely dependent upon them or your higher power to do something that you yourself have the power to do.

 

[YumYum]

Well AA doesn't say "turn to Jesus", they say turn to a higher power, so according to them you can turn to Satan or whoever else you can imagine to quit drinking.

I'm not going to argue with you on your point, if somebody wants to give up alcohol and become Christian, that's fine, but ultimately that person is still making the decision not to drink by changing their lifestyle. The way AA does it, they make you think that you need to be completely dependent upon them or your higher power to do something that you yourself have the power to do.

dannno...do you know what you are saying? Have you ever been to an AA meeting? These are people who were dying. Have you ever seen somebody die from alcoholism? I have. It is a horrible, painful way to die. These are people who have hit rock bottom and they suffer a suffering you cannot imagine. They are considered hopeless by society. They have lost everything; families, homes, cars and worst of all there self worth. They will use any excuse to drink again because they are "victims" and they are so absorbed in themselves that they have no Higher Power outside of themselves. Alcoholics are the most self-absorbed megalomaniacs on the planet, but when they get into recovery they are incredible human beings. AA gave them that chance.

 

[dannno]

I agree with you about the cigarettes, but you must remember, these are people whose lives are unmanageable because of alcohol; not cigarettes. Have you ever met a person who was so severe an alcoholic that when he vomited his blood he saved it, to drink later because it had alcohol in it and he was broke? I have; in fact I have met a couple of people in recovery who did this. People think that only drug addicts prostitute their bodies for their addiction. This is not true; alcoholics do too. I have stories that the average person could not handle; Hollywood couldn't write the scripts. Yet, these same people are now pillars in their community, and some of them are Ron Paul supporters. I am not disagreeing with you that there are things about AA that seem like bullshit, but that is because you and I are not alcoholics. It works for them, and that is what is important. Alcoholics have discovered that if they keep going back to AA, it works. The reason Charlie Sheen hates AA is because he is not ready to get clean and sober.

Could it be that the reason why AA helps some people is because they made the decision to go there in the first place, and have nothing to do with the program itself? The day that person goes to a meeting, they are making a decision to change their life. That seems way more important than the 12 steps, although I will admit the support group can also be very helpful, I'm really complaining about the structure of AA itself and what it specifically teaches.

And ya, I know how bad alcoholism can be, and I know it can be deadly. Some people have to get up in the morning and immediately start drinking, and will often go through an entire bottle of alcohol throughout the day. These people can't stop drinking without the drug dilaudid, or else they have to ease themselves off alcohol slowly, otherwise they will literally die. Alcohol can be really fun when done in moderation or even in excess on occasion (in fact I tied on quite the knot last night as it was St. Patty's Day), but it can also be a nightmare for those who make drinking heavily day in and day out their whole lifestyle.

Cannabis has been used for thousands of years very successfully to treat alcoholism. The best part is cannabis is not addictive, so people can use it to get over their addiction and then quit if they choose. My point is there are a lot of safer alternatives to quitting alcohol than taking up a cigarette smoking habit, I really think that is one of the big flaws of AA that they seem to encourage trading one deadly addiction for another, especially cigarettes which are ridiculously addictive.

 

[dannno]

dannno...do you know what you are saying? Have you ever been to an AA meeting? These are people who were dying. Have you ever seen somebody die from alcoholism? I have. It is a horrible, painful way to die. These are people who have hit rock bottom and they suffer a suffering you cannot imagine. They are considered hopeless by society. They have lost everything; families, homes, cars and worst of all there self worth. They will use any excuse to drink again because they are "victims" and they are so absorbed in themselves that they have no Higher Power outside of themselves. Alcoholics are the most self-absorbed megalomaniacs on the planet, but when they get into recovery they are incredible human beings. AA gave them that chance.

Ya I know people who have gone through AA in real life and I have argued with people on the internet at length on the subject. And again, I don't have a problem with support groups for alcoholism, but I would never lie to an alcoholic and tell them they can't get over their addiction themselves.. My whole point is that even if they go to AA and it works, they are still getting over it themselves, they are just being dishonest with themselves about how they got over it. I don't think dishonestly is the most effective way to really improve their lives. I like the part about former alcoholics coming in and telling people about how their life turned around when they ended their dependency on alcohol. I don't mind them saying that a support group is going to be integral in helping THEM get over THEIR addiction, I just don't like the whole idea of AA saying that they themselves have to turn everything over to the program.

 

[dannno]

YumYum, have you seen the South Park episode about AA? I think they really hit it out of the park. I honestly don't believe that 'alcoholics' can't drink in moderation and they must quit drinking completely. I don't think that quitting drinking completely is entirely necessary for alcoholics. In fact I think they would be doing wonders for their self control if they made a commitment to only drink in moderation and it would make them a better person in the long-run.

 

[YumYum]

YumYum, have you seen the South Park episode about AA? I think they really hit it out of the park. I honestly don't believe that 'alcoholics' can't drink in moderation and they must quit drinking completely. I don't think that quitting drinking completely is entirely necessary for alcoholics. In fact I think they would be doing wonders for their self control if they made a commitment to only drink in moderation and it would make them a better person in the long-run.

No, I haven't seen the episode of South Park. I think you are confusing what is known as a "problem drinker" with an "alcoholic". A problem drinker loves to drink, and loves the buzz. They drink all the time and they do all the bullshit that an alcoholic does, like drinking at work, drinking while driving. But they also have the ability to quit cold turkey if need be, and they also don't have "blackouts". For some reason, only alcoholics have blackouts. Very seldom can a true alcoholic quit forever without help. It does happen, but without a program to teach them how to live differently, they live a life that is known as a "dry drunk". It is know as "white knuckling it". You can be sober, but you can still be miserable and suffer as a sober alcoholic because without help you cannot change your personality and your behavior. What AA teaches people is how to live, not so much how not to drink. The drunk does that when he/she enters AA and "surrenders". Once they surrender they accept that they are an alcoholic and that their lives are unmanageable. A true alcoholic can never go back to drinking in moderation. Just ask the recovering drunks on this forum. But, a problem drinker can. If a person thinks that they have a problem with drinking they need to go to AA. If they are only a problem drinker, they will find out right away. Alcoholics are a unique group of people.

 

[Agorism]

Sheen claims that AA has a 5% success rate. True?