Charges unlikely against man who shot robbers

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I understand that guy was scared and I don't think there should be charges, but he didn't need to shoot them so many times. They dropped their weapons and were fleeing. He's lucky he didn't kill them.

When you are grinding them up for dogfood, what difference does it make how many times they get shot? And when you are desperate trying to kill them, why would you try not to kill them?

 

[Kluge]

I understand that guy was scared and I don't think there should be charges, but he didn't need to shoot them so many times. They dropped their weapons and were fleeing. He's lucky he didn't kill them.

Are you fucking kidding me?

You go get a gun, swing it around in front of my family or friends and see how long I will hunt you down so you never do that to another person again.

 

[coastie]

I understand that guy was scared and I don't think there should be charges, but he didn't need to shoot them so many times. They dropped their weapons and were fleeing. He's Their lucky he didn't kill them.

FTFY

If you agree no charges should be pressed, why would he be the lucky one?

I'd rather live in a world where we look at how many lives he saved rather than mourning the two lives - committing violent acts - (almost) lost.

 

[Schifference]

Honestly I find some of these posts hypocritical. If a cop continued firing on a fleeing suspect many would feel that was unjustified. In my opinion once the weapons are down and suspect no longer a threat no need to continue shooting. For those that would continue maybe they should become LEO.

 

[Cowlesy]

FTFY

If you agree no charges should be pressed, why would he be the lucky one?

I'd rather live in a world where we look at how many lives he saved rather than mourning the two lives - committing violent acts - (almost) lost.

Not to be a grammar nazi, but in the post of Jeremy's you quoted with a striked-out "He's" which you replaced with "Their", unless I am mistaken, shouldn't it be "They're"?

 

[Simple]

Awesome video. The guy should have stopped after the guys had dropped their weapons and turned to run- there was no longer a threat so it did turn from defense to offense by the end, but I can understand how a guy in his position could get a little worked up.

 

[angelatc]

I actually sort of agree with Jeremy in that he's lucky he did not kill them, but not for the same reasons. I don't care that he continued to shoot at them while they were retreating, but prosecutors usually don't see things that way.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Honestly I find some of these posts hypocritical. If a cop continued firing on a fleeing suspect many would feel that was unjustified. In my opinion once the weapons are down and suspect no longer a threat no need to continue shooting. For those that would continue maybe they should become LEO.

But the cops do empty their chambers, don't they? They use automatics. Those are similar to machine guns. Sixteen bullets. Sometimes more.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I actually sort of agree with Jeremy in that he's lucky he did not kill them, but not for the same reasons. I don't care that he continued to shoot at them while they were retreating, but prosecutors usually don't see things that way.

He stopped at the door. Looking at the video, the man disengaged too fast in my opinion. He should have stopped at the door and then guarded it watchfully. Instead, the hero turns towards an innocent bystander, a common man barely greater than a mere woman, and demands that he call the police.
If anything, this elderly gentleman should be charged with acting over dramatic.

 

[Cowlesy]

He stopped at the door. Looking at the video, the man disengaged too fast in my opinion. He should have stopped at the door and then guarded it watchfully. Instead, the hero turns towards an innocent bystander, a common man barely greater than a mere woman, and demands that he call the police.
If anything, this elderly gentleman should be charged with acting over dramatic.

Someone forgot their meds today!

 

[Drex]

Those thugs threatened that whole place, I don't care if they dropped their weapons, he had every damn right!

 

[Bosco Warden]

I understand that guy was scared and I don't think there should be charges, but he didn't need to shoot them so many times. They dropped their weapons and were fleeing. He's lucky he didn't kill them.

The thieves made bad decision, and with a bad decision comes bad consequences.

But either way they could of avoided the whole thing and not chose to steal in the first place.

What they got was what they chose

This whole blaming the victim meme is stupid.

 

[Indy Vidual]

He didn't know for certain each man only had one gun.
I agree it is better no one died.
+1776 for the Right to defend.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

LOL at the bleeding hearts who probably never owned a gun, much less fired one in a life or death situation, trying to Monday morning quarter back this saying the old guy should've stopped his pursuit. When you wave a gun or other weapons in the face of your potential victim you no longer get to call "time out" when your crime doesn't go as planned.

 

[Pericles]

That better be a pie worthy of a serious badass!

Hopefully it's a good lesson for the other folks that were in that cafe too.

Is that a nomination for Badass of the week?

www.badassoftheweek.com

 

[slamhead]

WTF is wrong with people's logic? They want to ban these cafes because people like to rob them? If you ask me they should keep them open as they are death trap for thugs. This report has a report of another robbery where the security guard shot and killed the robber.

 

[angelatc]

LOL at the bleeding hearts who probably never owned a gun, much less fired one in a life or death situation, trying to Monday morning quarter back this saying the old guy should've stopped his pursuit. When you wave a gun or other weapons in the face of your potential victim you no longer get to call "time out" when your crime doesn't go as planned.

Just to clarify - from a moral perspective I don't give a rat's ass about shooting these thugs in the back. My observation was that from a legal perspective....everybody's a Monday morning quarterback. Including the prosecutor.

 

[Tod]

I understand that guy was scared and I don't think there should be charges, but he didn't need to shoot them so many times. They dropped their weapons and were fleeing. He's lucky he didn't kill them.

He shouldn't have HAD to shoot them so many times. Once each should have killed them. But if he didn't kill them on the first shot, by all means continue shooting until they are incapable of returning fire. Remove the threat. What if he had shot just once and they then shot and killed him?

And it is crazy that the one with the ball bat had low bail. A ball bat to the head is just as likely to kill someone as a bullet.

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

He shouldn't have HAD to shoot them so many times. Once each should have killed them. But if he didn't kill them on the first shot, by all means continue shooting until they are incapable of returning fire. Remove the threat. What if he had shot just once and they then shot and killed him?

And it is crazy that the one with the ball bat had low bail. A ball bat to the head is just as likely to kill someone as a bullet.

I think the bail was set so low because from the surveillance camera, it looks like the one with the bat was only planning to vandalize some of the computers. There was an article I read (maybe this one) about this saying that he appeared to be swinging the bat at the computers and not actually any people. I don't know whether this would have an effect on the bail or not.

I think the man in the video absolutely did the right thing, but it is obvious he needs more training with the gun. Perhaps it was just nerves or something, but I have never shot a gun in my life and even I know that is pretty poor technique. I agree with angelatc - the prosecutor could have maybe something to work with here if he or she chose to.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Just to clarify - from a moral perspective I don't give a rat's ass about shooting these thugs in the back. My observation was that from a legal perspective....everybody's a Monday morning quarterback. Including the prosecutor.

Legal perspective? There is no such thing as a legal perspective other than rattling marbles in the head by humping everything in sight.
And, yes, you can quote me on this.