CFL Regional Conference - Atlanta - Ron Paul (Jan 15-17 2010!)

[LittleLightShining]

A lot has changed in a year.

Doesn't look like it to me.

 

[Matt Collins]

I support candidates. PERIOD. with donations and time. That's what I did for Ron Paul, that's what I do for the C4L and the GOP.

Yeah candidates are important but so are organizations. If you have a choice, go with candidates though because they will accomplish more if elected; or at least they have the potential to do so.

 

[Matt Collins]

Mike Rothfeld's training is excellent.

He's there to teach us how politics works, and it is true that "educating the masses" does not win elections.

As I've said before, we need to win over their hearts and minds in the off-cycle, so that when election season gets here it's much easier to win their votes.

 

[InterestedParticipant]

As I've said before, we need to win over their hearts and minds in the off-cycle, so that when election season gets here it's much easier to win their votes.

Why?

 

[torchbearer]

Why?

people are less "guarded" when it isn't a presidential election. the dynamics of approaching someone about philosophy is easier when they have sold themselves to some candidate personality.

 

[rancher89]

lls and matt pm me and I'll tell you what's up in the nc c4l and nc gop and my part. If you are interested. I don't think it's proper interwebs material....

 

[Matt Collins]

No... his success was just a fluke

Ron's success was not a fluke. He won his district because he was well known and well liked, plus his political philosophy was close to those in his district (Texas). Once an incumbent it's almost impossible to be voted out.

 

[Matt Collins]

gratuitous bump

 

[LittleLightShining]

Ron's success was not a fluke. He won his district because he was well known and well liked, plus his political philosophy was close to those in his district (Texas). Once an incumbent it's almost impossible to be voted out.

I was being sarcastic... hence the rolly eyes...

Not sure why you'd choose to bump this thread rather than the one that actually talks about the conference without the drama.

 

[Matt Collins]

What allegation am I making. Most political strategists are interested in 1 or more of 3 things-- money, influence and/or power.

Effectiveness of what? Success of what?

Well some do just like to be proud of their accomplishments. There are many humble people that work behind the scenes. I dont know Mr Rothfield or not, but jumping to conclusions is not always the best approach. Perhaps you know him better than I do?

 

[LibertyMage]

I went to the conference in Valley Forge. It was WELL worth it.

 

[dr. hfn]

I went to the conference in Valley Forge. It was WELL worth it.

me too!

 

[Matt Collins]

I'm not disputing that his training may be nonpartisan and universally acceptable. What I am disputing is the value of teaching attendees to focus their efforts on a very small percentage of voters as opposed to educating as many as possible. While this strategy may be effective in electoral politics it does not a movement make-- or nurture. For those unfamiliar with the training I encourage you to read what he has to say. My biggest issue with the training is the absolute disdain he has for education. Period. Which C4L, in its infancy, was supposed to do.

You have to do both.

Winning elections is not about education, it's about getting votes. Elections are short term victories in most instances. However over the long term, the education arm definitely needs to exist. If you win their hearts and minds in the off-season then when it comes time for an election it's much easier to win over their vote.

 

[LittleLightShining]

You have to do both.

Winning elections is not about education, it's about getting votes. Elections are short term victories in most instances. However over the long term, the education arm definitely needs to exist. If you win their hearts and minds in the off-season then when it comes time for an election it's much easier to win over their vote.

Whatever, Matt. Talk in circles some more.

 

[Matt Collins]

Whatever, Matt. Talk in circles some more.

Im not talking in circles at all

 

[Matt Collins]

I went to the conference in Valley Forge. It was WELL worth it.

I went to the St Louis event last March and I must say the same thing. I met some now very good friends

 

[Matt Collins]

Final bump before I hit the road.

 

[dr. hfn]

I hope you guys have a great time!

 

[TheTyke]

Winning elections is not about education, it's about getting votes. Elections are short term victories in most instances. However over the long term, the education arm definitely needs to exist. If you win their hearts and minds in the off-season then when it comes time for an election it's much easier to win over their vote.

I will emphatically agree with Matt here. I have a couple friends that have come around to many of Ron's beliefs... after talking to them for about 2 years. Hopefully, this will stick with them for future elections, but it was too late to get votes for Ron.

But now we are trying to get Rand elected, and we have 4 months... that's not enough time to educate enough voters to win. That's why, when running for office, you have to craft a message that's appealing to the voters. You don't have time to educate all of them.

 

[Matt Collins]

But now we are trying to get Rand elected, and we have 4 months... that's not enough time to educate enough voters to win. That's why, when running for office, you have to craft a message that's appealing to the voters. You don't have time to educate all of them.

If you are trying to feed the people broccoli you sometimes must put sugar or salt or cheese on it - it has to be dressed and flavored so that people are willing to try it.