CFL - FB - Transparency, openess and control

[newyearsrevolution08]

To quote McCain, "I'd like to see some sunshine".

We ALL like sunshine!

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

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I'm curious: who in the PCC treated you that way?

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I don't think "who" matters as much as the fact that many, many, many activists have a story... Quite frankly, they are heartbreaking and it seems many from the PCC still don't recognize/acknowledge how badly they screwed up. My own little experience in Arlington gave much credence to the countless complaints I had heard, pedeling my bike and watching the forums.

Watching Bydlack trying to use ad-hom to avoid valid issues is more continuation of the same BS that created the wedge in the first place. The sad fact is that many, many, many of the people who built the revolution feel that much of our money was wasted by people who treated us like shit - Hence the need for disclosure.

What is worse is how much further along we would be had these issues been dealt with promptly and maturely.

 

[constituent]

Watching Bydlack trying to use ad-hom to avoid valid issues is more continuation of the same BS that created the wedge in the first place.

yea, he's got a way w/ words.

 

[Bradley in DC]

STANDING OVATION!

-t

+2

 

[Bradley in DC]

Transparency – who is on the staff, in what positions, an organizational chart, and a broken down accounting of where every penny was spent (including salaries) posted on at least a monthly basis.

An at least monthly report of the status of every project the CFL is working on as well as announced plans.

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00305342/387638/sb/21

SCHEDULE B

ITEMIZED DISBURSEMENTS
Line #: 21

Committee: COMMITTEE TO RE-ELECT RON PAUL

Campaign for Liberty, Inc.
PO Box 104
Lake Jackson, Texas 77566
10/30/2008
Contribution 250000.00

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'll ask if we have this available.



Those were the 2 types of slimjims that we provided. One was professional and double sided, the other was made by me: 3 one-sided slimjims per page.



I don't have the information on hand. I'll ask for a summary.

About what happened with the "How your Congress critters voted on the bailout" project:

From post 35 - WELL over a week ago! - Just getting an accounting of what happened to all those donated funds and the action is like pulling teeth!

I'm beginning to wonder if we will ever learn the full story.

This isn't accountability - just more of what we've come to expect from the PCC/CFL - business as usual!

-t

 

[He Who Pawns]

Ron Paul himself was awesome on the trail and in the debates in the 08 primary. But the people who ran his campaign were the worst EVER. That campaign was a total disaster in terms of management and execution. The TV spots -- the major thing entrusted to the campaign -- were absolutely horrendous and embarrassing. Whoever was involved in the upper management of running that campaign should never be involved in another major race.

 

[Matt Collins]

To quote McCain, "I'd like to see some sunshine".

And by "sunshine" you really meant "sunlight"

 

[Matt Collins]

The board is:
Lori Paul Pyeatt, Jesse Benton, Deana Watts

I understand that John Tate has a seat on the board as President. He wants a new About section up as soon as possible. This comes next for me after FAQ is up.

As in Benton's mother in-law!?

Well...it is pretty much as I expected. Ron Paul set up his granddaughter and grandson in law with a non profit so they can make a living. ok. i don't fault him for that...i just don't see anything "grassroots" going on. Just call it what it is, it's an income for his granddaughter and her friends. I would probably do the same thing for my family, but I would make them be honest about it so people can decide if that's what they really want to do. Who sez Benton is the best one for it? Maybe someone down the line is better. It is what it is and I'm glad to know. tones

Tones - you got stones!

 

[mozarkriver]

C4L is now self-funding...all those direct mail requests for donations have really paid off...they've raised several hundred thousand dollars...enough at least to pay the salaries of those on the payroll at C4L However I think we're going to see this all unravel come October when everyone's membership dues are up for renewal...I'm betting that only those who are appointed coordinators will renew their memberships.

I think a lot of people will look back over the last year and see that in a year there haven't been elections and there likely won't be any binding elections in the foreseeable future. They'll see that there are no bylaws for their state and national organizations, and that the national organization actually discourages the above. They'll see that although the people building the website are working very hard, the staffing there is just inadequate and the website we were promised has never materialized. They'll see that there are few useful tools in the precinct leader tools part of the website that they ponied up $35 to have access to. They'll see that the national organization never had any intentions of allowing state organizations any kind of substantial autonomy. They'll be left asking themselves "is this what I thought I was joining last year?"

I don't think there will be any change in leadership. You can see it by the attitude some at the national organization have. Andrew is the only one that I've seen try to answer any of the legitimate questions people have. The typical response is one of anger that you would even dare to ask any questions. They expect blind obedience even when their track record is one of broken promises and some outright lies.

Its sad really...a wonderful opportunity has been wasted.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Debra Medina is also on the board, folks.

 

[LibertyEagle]

C4L is now self-funding...all those direct mail requests for donations have really paid off...they've raised several hundred thousand dollars...enough at least to pay the salaries of those on the payroll at C4L However I think we're going to see this all unravel come October when everyone's membership dues are up for renewal...I'm betting that only those who are appointed coordinators will renew their memberships.

I think a lot of people will look back over the last year and see that in a year there haven't been elections and there likely won't be any binding elections in the foreseeable future. They'll see that there are no bylaws for their state and national organizations, and that the national organization actually discourages the above. They'll see that although the people building the website are working very hard, the staffing there is just inadequate and the website we were promised has never materialized. They'll see that there are few useful tools in the precinct leader tools part of the website that they ponied up $35 to have access to. They'll see that the national organization never had any intentions of allowing state organizations any kind of substantial autonomy. They'll be left asking themselves "is this what I thought I was joining last year?"

I don't think there will be any change in leadership. You can see it by the attitude some at the national organization have. Andrew is the only one that I've seen try to answer any of the legitimate questions people have. The typical response is one of anger that you would even dare to ask any questions. They expect blind obedience even when their track record is one of broken promises and some outright lies.

Its sad really...a wonderful opportunity has been wasted.

Nice 2nd post.

I'm not sure what you think has been "wasted"? Sure, it's been far from perfect, but they have (and still are) conducting regional training sessions around the country, so hopefully those of us in the grassroots who want to do more than just bitch, will know how to get something done via political activism. Most of us were political neophytes during the campaign and if we want to be effective, we need to learn the ropes. And how about the progress with HR1207? They're trying to help us in building a nationwide grassroots political activist structure and at the same time, not have it overrun by infiltrators and the like. No small feat.

Wasted? Not by a long shot. I know I will be paying my dues when they come around again.

 

[LittleLightShining]

C4L is now self-funding...all those direct mail requests for donations have really paid off...they've raised several hundred thousand dollars...enough at least to pay the salaries of those on the payroll at C4L However I think we're going to see this all unravel come October when everyone's membership dues are up for renewal...I'm betting that only those who are appointed coordinators will renew their memberships.

I think a lot of people will look back over the last year and see that in a year there haven't been elections and there likely won't be any binding elections in the foreseeable future. They'll see that there are no bylaws for their state and national organizations, and that the national organization actually discourages the above. They'll see that although the people building the website are working very hard, the staffing there is just inadequate and the website we were promised has never materialized. They'll see that there are few useful tools in the precinct leader tools part of the website that they ponied up $35 to have access to. They'll see that the national organization never had any intentions of allowing state organizations any kind of substantial autonomy. They'll be left asking themselves "is this what I thought I was joining last year?"

I don't think there will be any change in leadership. You can see it by the attitude some at the national organization have. Andrew is the only one that I've seen try to answer any of the legitimate questions people have. The typical response is one of anger that you would even dare to ask any questions. They expect blind obedience even when their track record is one of broken promises and some outright lies.

Its sad really...a wonderful opportunity has been wasted.

All really good points which I totally agree with. I'm already asking myself if this is what I thought I joined.

 

[Imperial]

CFL is probably going to have to come out and announce a specific date elections will occur and how they will go down if they want to get the backing for next year.

I bet that would get alot of people pretty pumped up.

 

[Dave]

Well, I guess if we don't support CFL with a little money then maybe it will just go away. Is that what people want? It's not what I want.

Of course it's not perfect - but I'll pay my dues next year, and the next, and the next, and the next...

 

[mozarkriver]

I don't want C4L to go away. What I *would* like is for C4L to have open and binding elections for county, district and state level positions, bylaws written and approved at those levels, and for complete autonomy of state and local organizations. And complete autonomy doesn't mean that the national organization gets to approve or appoint any of the leadership, or require states to submit 12 month plans for their approval, or any other strings attached for that matter. That is the only way we'll have a truly grass roots organization.

I think if they had moved to put the above into place last fall the organization would have grown by leaps and bounds. There were a lot of people on the sidelines taking a wait and see attitude...now they've faded away and gone back to their couches or moved on to other organizations. All the while the national organization told people we don't need elections or bylaws, or that their lawyers were working on writing them for us...and over a year after C4L was born these bylaws "the lawyers" are working on are still yet to materialize.

Problem is that without bylaws or elections nobody really knows what they are joining. The devil is always in the details. Seems to me this would all be pretty simple for a group of people who believe in freedom...what is so radical or controversial about electing our own leaders and laying down some basic rules as to how the organization will operate?

When this country was founded, it was the individual states who formed the federal government, and the federal government was run by representatives of those states.

Wouldn't we all be crying foul if Barack Obama decided to appoint the governors of all of the states? Why does C4L get a free pass on this?

With C4L there is no representation in the national organization. We have one grass roots representative on the national board who was appointed from Dr. Paul's congressional campaign staff, and she's busy running for governor. All of the staff of the national organization are appointed and unaccountable to the grass roots. This needs to change.

What should happen is that the states should organize as described above and then delegates from the state organizations should all meet and form a national organization. Up until now everything has been done backwards.

 

[Matt Collins]

Well, as Rand, Adam, and maybe Peter are running, people will be giving less to the CFL in the next year and a half.