CDC is bringing Ebola patient to Emory University in Atlanta

[PaulConventionWV]

1st, and excuse my cursing.... But why the FUCK are we importing Ebola into our country.

The following is a true story. This patient landed about 20 miles from our house. My wife was freaked out enough that she called our Congressman.

Our Congressman stated, there was nothing he could do, thanks for calling, I understand the concern... But, this is a State issue, take it up with them.

Soooo, the wife called the Govenor's office. Similar story... We hear you, but there is nothing we can do, this is a CDC manner, they are Federal, so take it up with them.

Soooo, the wife called the CDC... She got a nice lady on the phone that read her a prepared speech and then promptly refused to answer her questions.

Soooo, the wife called the news media, who said they were doing a story, would she liked to be interviewed on camera. She told them "no, you'll edit it to make it look like I don't care about the victims and it won't address my concern... Namely, this person was TRAINED how to deal with this virus, yet still got it... How can we be sure that it won't escape here and why are we importing a virus with an extremely high mortality rate yet people aren't allowed on planes with TB."

Guy chuckled and responded "yeah, your probably right".

All of the above is true, without embellishment.

The inmates are running the asylum.

blah blah blah blah RUNFORYOURLIVES!!!! blah blah blah blah.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

begs the question of why you would put such a facility inside a city of 4 million people, rather than out in the wilderness where contagion would be far less likely

No, it really doesn't beg that question. That's not what begging the question means. Look it up.

Also, if you have thought about this for any length of time, you would realize that a multitude of factors make it better to build this facility in the city rather than in the country. There are supplies and delivery issues, time, staff being ready-at-hand, etc.

Also, this whole thing smells like fear-mongering and bogey-man panic. What reason do we have to think this hype won't end up being like H1N1 and "bird flu"?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

If I were from west Africa I would have likely never heard of Ebola,, nor seen a Doctor in my life.. and suddenly these folks show up chattering a bunch of nonsense.

I would not be inclined (very likely) to trust a bunch of foreigners any more than the Thugs of the government.

These people aren't that stupid or ignorant. Just because they're from Africa, doesn't mean they've never seen a doctor or heard of the outbreak happening in their OWN COUNTRY. A few youtube videos of this will show you that everyone in Africa knows what Ebola means, and many of them are not scared. Some of them are just as conspiracy-minded as you are.

Sometimes people piss me off when they assume Africans don't know shit about the outside world.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Hemorrhagic Fever Viruses as Biological Weapons
Medical and Public Health Management
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=194908

Conclusions Weapons disseminating a number of HFVs could cause an outbreak of an undifferentiated febrile illness 2 to 21 days later, associated with clinical manifestations that could include rash, hemorrhagic diathesis, and shock. The mode of transmission and clinical course would vary depending on the specific pathogen. Diagnosis may be delayed given clinicians' unfamiliarity with these diseases, heterogeneous clinical presentation within an infected cohort, and lack of widely available diagnostic tests. Initiation of ribavirin therapy in the early phases of illness may be useful in treatment of some of these viruses, although extensive experience is lacking. There are no licensed vaccines to treat the diseases caused by HFVs.


Transmission of Ebola virus (Zaire strain) to uninfected control monkeys in a biocontainment laboratory
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673695928413

Abstract
Secondary transmission of Ebola virus infection in humans is known to be caused by direct contact with infected patients or body fluids. We report transmission of Ebola virus (Zaire strain) to two of three control rhesus monkeys (Macaca mulatta) that did not have direct contact with experimentally inoculated monkeys held in the same room. The two control monkeys died from Ebola virus infections at 10 and 11 days after the last experimentally inoculated monkey had died. The most likely route of infection of the control monkeys was aerosol, oral, or conjunctival exposure to virus-laden droplets secreted or excreted from the experimentally inoculated monkeys. These observations suggest approaches to the study of routes of transmission to and among humans.


Ebola virus disease in southern Sudan: hospital dissemination and intrafamilial spread (1986)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536233/

Abstract

Between 31 July and 6 October 1979, 34 cases of Ebola virus disease (22 of which were fatal) occurred among five families in a rural district of southern Sudan; the disease was introduced into four of the families from a local hospital. Chains of secondary spread within the family units, accounting for 29 cases resulted from direct physical contact with an infected person. Among all persons with such contact in the family setting, those who provided nursing care had a 5.1-fold increased risk of infection, emphasizing the importance of intimate contact in the spread of this disease. The absence of illness among persons who were exposed to cases in confined spaces, but without physical contact, confirmed previous impressions that there is no risk of airborne transmission. While the ecology of Ebola virus is unknown, the presence of anti-Ebola antibodies in the sera of 18% of persons who were unassociated with the outbreak suggests that the region is an endemic focus of Ebola virus activity.


Experimental infection of cynomolgus macaques with Ebola-Reston filoviruses from the 1989–1990 U.S. epizootic
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-7091-7482-1_11

Summary
This study describes the pathogenesis of the Ebola-Reston (EBO-R) subtype of Ebola virus for experimentally infected cynomolgus monkeys. The disease course of EBO-R in macaques was very similar to human disease and to experimental diseases in macaques following EBO-Zaire and EBO-Sudan infections. Cynomolgus monkeys infected with EBO-R in this experiment developed anorexia, occasional nasal discharge, and splenomegaly, petechial facial hemorrhages and severe subcutaneous hemorrhages in venipuncture sites, similar to human Ebola fever. Five of the six EBO-R infected monkeys died, 8 to 14 days after inoculation. One survived and developed high titered neutralizing antibodies specific for EBO-R. The five acutely ill monkeys shed infectious virus in various bodily secretions. Further, abundant virus was visualized in alveolar interstitial cells and free in the alveoli suggesting the potential for generating infectious aerosols. Thus, taking precautions against aerosol exposures to filovirus infected primates, including humans, seems prudent. This experiment demonstrated that EBO-R was lethal for macaques and was capable of initiating and sustaining the monkey epizootic. Further investigation of this animal model should facilitate development of effective immunization, treatment, and control strategies for Ebola hemorrhagic fever.

So yeah, it's airborn...

Google does have another search engine for scientific literature...

http://scholar.google.com/

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The absence of illness among persons who were exposed to cases in confined spaces, but without physical contact, confirmed previous impressions that there is no risk of airborne transmission.

This bolded part says the exact opposite of "yeah, it's airborne." Is English not your first language?

 

[orenbus]

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Out of food, ran out of checks, can't pay water bill. Drinking own urine. I doubt I will survive. I've been trapped in this house for weeks, can't leave. I will die of starvation before I let Ebola get me, I know it's on the fruit at the store, and the knobs, not to mention the filthy shopping carts.

I can't believe it has come to this, taken out by a plague. What can I do, but select the better of two deaths. I have chosen to wilt away rather than bleed to death.

Ebola Victim:1602 of 6.6 billion.

God help us all, the end is here.

 

[orenbus]

 

[orenbus]

Out of food, ran out of checks, can't pay water bill. Drinking own urine. I doubt I will survive. I've been trapped in this house for weeks, can't leave. I will die of starvation before I let Ebola get me, I know it's on the fruit at the store, and the knobs, not to mention the filthy shopping carts.

I can't believe it has come to this, taken out by a plague. What can I do, but select the better of two deaths. I have chosen to wilt away rather than bleed to death.

Ebola Victim:1602 of 6.6 billion.

God help us all, the end is here.

lol +1

 

[orenbus]

 

[orenbus]

 

[orenbus]

Out of food, ran out of checks, can't pay water bill. Drinking own urine. I doubt I will survive. I've been trapped in this house for weeks, can't leave. I will die of starvation before I let Ebola get me, I know it's on the fruit at the store, and the knobs, not to mention the filthy shopping carts.

I can't believe it has come to this, taken out by a plague. What can I do, but select the better of two deaths. I have chosen to wilt away rather than bleed to death.

Ebola Victim:1602 of 6.6 billion.

God help us all, the end is here.

 

[phill4paul]

I'm going into the deep woods for the next week where even cell phones and internet don't work. I hope this has run it's course before I return.

 

[ghengis86]

I'm going into the deep woods for the next week where even cell phones and internet don't work. I hope this has run it's course before I return.

Pandemics usually burn out in 3-6 weeks (historically). Might want to stay out there for a few more weeks.

 

[orenbus]

 

[phill4paul]

Pandemics usually burn out in 3-6 weeks (historically). Might want to stay out there for a few more weeks.

Damn. Well, once I come out and see what is going on I might just turn around and go back in.

 

[orenbus]

Damn. Well, once I come out and see what is going on I might just turn around and go back in.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I think we should put them up in Whoopi's house.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

What a load of crap. Quarantines have nothing to do with politics, but they are trying to make it political. They called it "xenophobic" and make the "no man left behind" argument, it's a bunch of emotionalism. But hey, Dr. Whoopi knows everything.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

lol @ panic thread.

 

[orenbus]