Canadian vegan faces 10 yrs for giving slaughter house pigs water on hot day

[Jamesiv1]

If so, it didn't stick. He seemed to have gotten over that phase by The Last Supper and after he was resurrected.

maybe he fell off the wagon lol

 

[Lamp]

I've read compelling proposals that Jesus' "lost years" were spent in India, where vegetarianism is quite common.

That sounds like a bunch of nonsensical hippy crap propagated by white converts and BJP/RSS shitbags as a reason to Hinduise the local Catholic populations dietary habits. Don't believe that.

 

[Jamesiv1]

That sounds like a bunch of nonsensical hippy crap propagated by white converts and BJP/RSS shitbags as a reason to Hinduise the local Catholic population. Don't believe that.

Don't make me open up a can of whoop-ass, young 'un.

 

[Lamp]

Don't make me open up a can of whoop-ass, young 'un.

I don't think you got what I meant

 

[Lamp]

How would Jesus have walked all the way to the subcontinent and learned vegetarianism?

 

[Jamesiv1]

How would Jesus have walked all the way to the subcontinent and learned vegetarianism?

same way everybody else did

read this:

https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Lived-...ywords=jesus+lived+in+india+by+holger+kersten

 

[Anti Federalist]

Aw man, you gonna mess around and catch a lightning bolt talking like that. You know she's talking about the spiritual relationship of God and Man, right? Geez.

Yeah, well, I vacillate back and forth between belief, belief in a higher power, and "it's all a bunch of flying spaghetti monster nonsense".

I tend to swing to the latter position when I'm told to surrender everything, throw up my hands and let God control it all, when I'm told to obey all earthly authority, even corrupt and tyrannical authority, when I'm told that there is no way to "own" anything, when I'm told by bible "scholars" that what I'm clearly reading does not mean what I am quite positive it clearly means what it says (so called "constitutional scholars" do the same thing) or when I see faith, which is supposed to bring peace and harmony and light, instead brings, strife, animosity, anger and dissension, whether within a family or between nations.

This is antithetical to individual liberty.

I tend to the central position when I look up at the universe on dark night at sea. 'Nuff said.

And I tend to the former position when friends, family, brothers and sisters seek prayer and support for the tribulations in their life.

In spite of my own doubts and questions, I had no problem, for instance, in praying, sincerely and with all the faith I could muster, for the well being of Phill's father.

Not quite sure where that lands me then: lukewarm, to be spat out, as Christ noted? Confused? Or just taking a rational outlook?

Whatever, it is what it is.

I say you own livestock, to do with what you see fit. I say humanity, like almost all other "apex" predators and highly "advanced" species on this planet, eat meat or are omnivores and that there is no moral or physical or medical dilemma to consider.

Now, somebody toss me a BLT please.

 

[donnay]

Yeah, well, I vacillate back and forth between belief, belief in a higher power, and "it's all a bunch of flying spaghetti monster nonsense".

I tend to swing to the latter position when I'm told to surrender everything, throw up my hands and let God control it all, when I'm told to obey all earthly authority, even corrupt and tyrannical authority, when I'm told that there is no way to "own" anything, when I'm told by bible "scholars" that what I'm clearly reading does not mean what I am quite positive it clearly means what it says (so called "constitutional scholars" do the same thing) or when I see faith, which is supposed to bring peace and harmony and light, instead brings, strife, animosity, anger and dissension, whether within a family or between nations.

If God controlled everything what would be the purpose of Him giving us free will? If God forced us to do what he wanted then we would all be zombies. However, Satan's deception is quite strong in these times. Satan knows when he is kicked out of Heaven his time to rein on earth is very short, because Jesus said:

Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

[Five months, the time of the Locust-- it is an agriculture term - Locusts come out May thru September not necessarily in that order but pointing out 5 months]

Revelation 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Our time in this earth age is relatively short. It's all a test and if you study for it, it is pretty easy to pass.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

John 8:32 (KJV)
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Without going all theologian I don't see harvesting meat as being any different than harvesting plants.

I happen to enjoy eating both.

This has always been my line of thinking. Speaking only for myself, we didn't have stores where I grew up. The same family lived on the same land for generations. Hundreds of years. Still do. We had/have close to 200 acres of forest, river, and mountains. And that's not counting the millions of surrounding acres that belonged to other families through the generations. Unless people have lived that way, I imagine they don't really know what it means to live off the land. We did, for sure. I always get a chuckle when I see yanks living in their suburban little house try to school me on that type of thing.

I can relate to what you say here, though.

 

[Natural Citizen]

$#@! off $#@!bag

I beleive in property rights - you morons believe in who knows what

Ha. You're probably barking up the wrong tree there, sparky.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yeah, well, I vacillate back and forth between belief, belief in a higher power, and "it's all a bunch of flying spaghetti monster nonsense".

I tend to swing to the latter position when I'm told to surrender everything, throw up my hands and let God control it all, when I'm told to obey all earthly authority, even corrupt and tyrannical authority, when I'm told that there is no way to "own" anything, when I'm told by bible "scholars" that what I'm clearly reading does not mean what I am quite positive it clearly means what it says (so called "constitutional scholars" do the same thing) or when I see faith, which is supposed to bring peace and harmony and light, instead brings, strife, animosity, anger and dissension, whether within a family or between nations.

This is antithetical to individual liberty.

I tend to the central position when I look up at the universe on dark night at sea. 'Nuff said.

And I tend to the former position when friends, family, brothers and sisters seek prayer and support for the tribulations in their life.

In spite of my own doubts and questions, I had no problem, for instance, in praying, sincerely and with all the faith I could muster, for the well being of Phill's father.

Not quite sure where that lands me then: lukewarm, to be spat out, as Christ noted? Confused? Or just taking a rational outlook?

Whatever, it is what it is.

I say you own livestock, to do with what you see fit. I say humanity, like almost all other "apex" predators and highly "advanced" species on this planet, eat meat or are omnivores and that there is no moral or physical or medical dilemma to consider.

Now, somebody toss me a BLT please.

Well, hell, AF. What you're talking about is thread worthy in itself. I've been there myself. Still am sometimes.

I will say this, though. Speaking only fo myself, I'll never recognize any kind of tyrannical authority. I don't reject government. I just want less of it. We're different in that way because I know that you really are an anti-federalist. That's why I never really try to debate you on anything. We can agree to disagree when it comes to that. And, hell, I don't begrudge you in any way. We'd likely make good neighbors.

But these so called authorities we have today are not moral authorities. They've just given power to themselves. These are legalities.Anti-moral authorities.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think the scripture is fairly self explanatory.

Yeah, if one is a 16th century scribe glorifying the authority of a worldly King in the only way he can relate to the biblical linguistics he's trying to decipher. Or the way he was told to do it in exchange for a piece of the King's silver. lol.

For all we know, it could have meant beans and wagons 5 linguistics earlier before the scribe got a hold of it. Either way, I agree with the notion that restitution should match the severity of the crime. After all, it's a little harder to steal something large as opposed to something smaller. A feller would have to really think about it.

 

[lilymc]

I am not making any exceptions. I believe you're pet or farm animal is exactly as much your property as your money is. For all intents and purposes your money is yours, yes you should use it in ways that please God. But that's between you and Him.

Such as the scriptures telling us which animals to eat, and not to eat them with the blood, and how Israel should offer them as burnt offerings?There are scriptures that talk about what to do with money as well. We are accountable to God for all things. By your argument we should stop using words like ownership at all since God owns all things.

No, I think you misunderstood me. I've never said we should stop using words like ownership. I have just been saying that even though we have things, that we consider and refer to as our possessions that we own, God is the true owner. That is biblical. As I said before, I'm surprised you're even arguing that.

Since we are going to be held accountable for what we do with what God has entrusted to us, I don't believe this is something that should be taken lightly.

Jesus taught us to pray, "Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." In heaven there is no cruelty and violence and oppression and death. So that's something to consider, because even though I don't believe anyone here knowingly supports animal abuse… the animal industries are abusive, and in many cases completely disregard life that God created, because for them it's all about profit and making money.

To sort of bring this back to the original topic… Pigs are very intelligent, one of the most intelligent animals of all. And they have personalities and feelings just like dogs do. Since we don't need to eat meat in order to survive, it really just comes down to putting our tastebuds first. I'm not saying anything to the non-Christians here, because they are living by a different standard. But to my fellow Christians, I'm just putting this here for you to consider… Are our taste buds more important than God's original design (no meat eating, peace and harmony among all living beings), God's command to be merciful, and our professed desire for God's will, on earth as it is in heaven? Please answer with a yes or no.

"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
Luke 6:36

“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy."
Matthew 5:7

"Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering"
Colossians 3:12

"For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment."
James 2:13​

 

[tod evans]

 

[Anti Federalist]

We'd likely make good neighbors.

I'd be the best neighbor you ever had...ready to lend a hand if asked, completely mind my own business otherwise, I'd never call the cops on you, and I keep my property and home clean and tidy.

 

[Danke]

I'd be the best neighbor you ever had...ready to lend a hand if asked, completely mind my own business otherwise, I'd never call the cops on you, and I keep my property and home clean and tidy.

But the noise from those debauchery sailor parties you throw would probably get to him.

 

[Danke]

I sent this to lilymc.[h=1][/h]

 

[lilymc]

I really don't want to rain on anyone's parade. (Honestly. I hate to be a party pooper) But listen to the sounds in the background. It actually sounds like a horror movie. Pain, fear and torture.

Fast forward to about 0:55, to get to the screaming. And this is actually considered a "humane" way of killing pigs.

 

[tod evans]

No 'screaming'.......

 

[tod evans]

Ya' know it's all fine-n-dandy to choose to not eat meat, but it's also fine-n-dandy to eat meat...

It's okay to justify veganism or carnivorism or even omnivorism by quoting scripture...

It's even okay to document how big-ag processes meat..

But a sense of fair play insists that other views be respected and given equal creedence..

Small town butchers and local farmers seldom follow feedlot techniques, labels like 'grassfed' or 'organic' 'humane' etc.... are all marketing ploys targeting city folk.

And from my perspective the concrete dwellers deserve what they get, they're the ones who choose to separate themselves from their food.