Can We Start Thinking Realistically Now?

[The Tao Of Bill]

Both Iowa and New Hampshire have proven one thing.

The polls are correct.

I repeat. The polls are correct. They might not have been able to project winners a month ago but within a few days of primaries they are nearly dead on.

Though we shouldn't give up on Ron Paul we should start prepareing for how to move forward without the help of the whitehouse.

If there is anyone on this forum who has some decent political qualifications I would like to ask that you consider running for a congressional seat in your district. I have started a thread in the general politics forum called "Plan B" ( you can look it up in my profile) where we can compile a list of congressmen running that will run with a strict constitutionalist platform.


We also need to encourage Ron Paul not to run as an independent. I know this will disappoint some of you but it's important that we put Ron Paul in a position where he can continue the fight. And congress is where he needs to do that. Vote for him for president and if he does not make it then support in any way you can for his congressional re-election. And let's push this movement forward. This time we can hopefully get Ron Paul some allies.

 

[MadViking10]

Both Iowa and New Hampshire have proven one thing.

The polls are correct.

I repeat. The polls are correct. They might not have been able to project winners a month ago but within a few days of primaries they are nearly dead on.

Though we shouldn't give up on Ron Paul we should start prepareing for how to move forward without the help of the whitehouse.

If there is anyone on this forum who has some decent political qualifications I would like to ask that you consider running for a congressional seat in your district. I have started a thread in the general politics forum called "Plan B" ( you can look it up in my profile) where we can compile a list of congressmen running that will run with a strict constitutionalist platform.


We also need to encourage Ron Paul not to run as an independent. I know this will disappoint some of you but it's important that we put Ron Paul in a position where he can continue the fight. And congress is where he needs to do that. Vote for him for president and if he does not make it then support in any way you can for his congressional re-election. And let's push this movement forward. This time we can hopefully get Ron Paul some allies.

You sir are an IDIOT. STFU

 

[perpetualstateofwar]

The polls were saying Obama was going to blow out Hitlery. They are not always "correct".

 

[rdenner]

Why is he an idiot. He's dead right on you dumbass.

I've been fighting this fight since 1992 and at best we would is 2% now we are at 10% that is HUGE for this movement and it's getting bigger

 

[Naraku]

No they're not. The polls showed Obama whooping on Hillary, he hasn't, despite higher than expected turnout.

 

[jp5065]

... wait until it is over

wait till super tuesday

 

[trey4sports]

i hate to say it, but theyve been dead on, this country is going down the shitter fast.
the problem is exposure. we cant wait on later states, we need nat'l ads now. itll be interesting to see if there is a shakeup iwthin the campaign staff or not

 

[noztnac]

Leave this thread right now. Go to winning South Carolina and start contacting people. I posted over 400 contacts over a week ago and nobody has even bothered to look at them.

 

[clouds]

I'm going to vote for Ron Paul no matter what, but I think the most important thing is that he got his message out to people who would never have heard it otherwise. I'm young but this has given me another view on what politics can be, and perhaps one day I will be running for something.

After this is over, no matter what happens, we need to find some way of thanking Ron Paul for being the bannerman for this movement. it is amazing and I want to make sure that something is done for him no matter what.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

You guys need to learn that Ron Paul is not the only option. We need to start preparing for a Ron Paul loss NOW! Because if we wait until the end of the primaries we are going to be pressed for time to get people to run for congress.

I support Ron Paul. I speak out for his postitions every day and I spend hours online spreading his word. I even wear clothes that support Ron Paul and have Ron Paul bumper stickers in order to provoke conversation about my favorite politicians. I am a Ron Paul junkie.

But Ron Paul is not my priority. My priority is pushing the movement forward. The movement is 10 times more important than Ron Paul. And if we aren't prepared for what to do when/if Ron Paul loses the movement will be delayed possibly another 4 years.

Stop putting all your eggs in the Ron Paul basket. Start trying to get people in congress. If Ron Paul's campaign dies it's not the end of the movement. But if the momentum dies with Ron Paul's campaign the movement dies. We need to keep this momentum going into the congressional runs and try to get Ron Paul and some allies into congress.

Remember. Freedom is more important than any one man. Ron Paul may be the leader of this movement but he is not the only guy out there. In fact I'll bet because of Ron Paul he has inspired many more out there for a congressional run and I am sure we can find some people to run on a constitutionalist platform all over the nation. We need to start thinking this way or the movement dies.

So get your heads out of your asses and start preparing to move forward or you will be at fault for the death of the movement.

 

[flahavin]

**Fuck You Frank***

Plus..Hillary's acting skills yesterday, might have helped her.

She can outact Awec Balwin

 

[Ron Paul Fan]

I agree. Realistically, it's over. Paul is running a distant 6th in all of the upcoming primary states. He won't get any bump from Iowa or NH. The polls are right. Hopefully the movement lives on beyond Paul, but Ron Paul 2008 is finished.

 

[Joe3113]

Both Iowa and New Hampshire have proven one thing.

The polls are correct.

I repeat. The polls are correct. They might not have been able to project winners a month ago but within a few days of primaries they are nearly dead on.

Though we shouldn't give up on Ron Paul we should start prepareing for how to move forward without the help of the whitehouse.

If there is anyone on this forum who has some decent political qualifications I would like to ask that you consider running for a congressional seat in your district. I have started a thread in the general politics forum called "Plan B" ( you can look it up in my profile) where we can compile a list of congressmen running that will run with a strict constitutionalist platform.


We also need to encourage Ron Paul not to run as an independent. I know this will disappoint some of you but it's important that we put Ron Paul in a position where he can continue the fight. And congress is where he needs to do that. Vote for him for president and if he does not make it then support in any way you can for his congressional re-election. And let's push this movement forward. This time we can hopefully get Ron Paul some allies.

BULL. I want 3rd party......It's not over until its over.

 

[jmdrake]

I find it amusing that people can claim the polls were "dead on" when earlier today everyone was predicting if Obama would win by single digits or by double digits. And saying that we need to "encourage Ron to run as an independent" so that we can "position him to continue this fight" is just plain stupid. Ron will decide to run as an independent if and when he decides to run as an independent. Pushing this now only further dampens our chances to make headway in other states and ultimately ruins his chances to run even as an independent. -100 for a silly thread pushing a dumb agenda.

Regards,

John M. Drake

 

[derekjohnson]

Both Iowa and New Hampshire have proven one thing.

The polls are correct.

I repeat. The polls are correct. They might not have been able to project winners a month ago but within a few days of primaries they are nearly dead on.

Though we shouldn't give up on Ron Paul we should start prepareing for how to move forward without the help of the whitehouse.

If there is anyone on this forum who has some decent political qualifications I would like to ask that you consider running for a congressional seat in your district. I have started a thread in the general politics forum called "Plan B" ( you can look it up in my profile) where we can compile a list of congressmen running that will run with a strict constitutionalist platform.


We also need to encourage Ron Paul not to run as an independent. I know this will disappoint some of you but it's important that we put Ron Paul in a position where he can continue the fight. And congress is where he needs to do that. Vote for him for president and if he does not make it then support in any way you can for his congressional re-election. And let's push this movement forward. This time we can hopefully get Ron Paul some allies.

I disagree on needing him in congress. Continuing to fight and running as a Libertarian is the best run. If he can keep pulling 10% in every state and possibly pull some democrats over as a libertarian candidate, he could bring legitimacy to the libertarian party and possibly push for a real third party in 2012. A third party pulling 10% in the general election and then maintaining organization for four years to push for 2012 with help get the message out and possibly pull more votes then. Goldwater was the messenger and Reagan was the beneficiary. In this case, Paul may have to be the messenger. If we want real change to occur, I don't think it can happen within the republican party this time, it needs to be from a third party that can pull the disenfranchised from the major parties.

 

[legion]

We need a voting block in congress before they will respect us.

We need to lobby for singular interests and be successful before they will respect us.

We can start with the insane war on drugs. It's time to add another repeal prohibition day to the American calendar.

 

[schwa]

I have lurked this forum for awhile and thought I would throw in my two cents. Even if we do not win the nomination, WE CAN STILL WIN. We are getting enough votes for both parties to take notice of us. A large percentage of Americans are willing to fight for personal liberties. Until the Republican party changes course, it will erode. If Ron Paul fails to get the nomination, and chances are he will, who ever gets the nomination will get slaughtered by (insert the name of any Democrat here). One of the things really driving Ron Paul’s numbers down right now is the huge amount of people showing there disapproval of the Republican Party. I really think the best thing that could happen, if Ron Paul fails to get the nomination , would be a strong Independent or Libertarian that could capture 7% or so of the vote in the presidential election so the Republican party would be forced to wake up to the fact that they need us. I have nothing but respect for Ron Paul, but I have more respect for the message of restoring the Constitution. I will continue to support Ron Paul throughout the race. If we don’t win, I still plan on keeping up the fight for Liberty and Freedom. This Revolution will not stop if we fail to get the nomination. These primaries are just the beginning of the movement. They hope we will go away, but we won’t. We will grow and someday be able to take this country back. I don’t know about everyone else in these forums, but I have just started to fight.

 

[homah]

Both Iowa and New Hampshire have proven one thing.

The polls are correct.

I repeat. The polls are correct. They might not have been able to project winners a month ago but within a few days of primaries they are nearly dead on.

Though we shouldn't give up on Ron Paul we should start prepareing for how to move forward without the help of the whitehouse.

If there is anyone on this forum who has some decent political qualifications I would like to ask that you consider running for a congressional seat in your district. I have started a thread in the general politics forum called "Plan B" ( you can look it up in my profile) where we can compile a list of congressmen running that will run with a strict constitutionalist platform.


We also need to encourage Ron Paul not to run as an independent. I know this will disappoint some of you but it's important that we put Ron Paul in a position where he can continue the fight. And congress is where he needs to do that. Vote for him for president and if he does not make it then support in any way you can for his congressional re-election. And let's push this movement forward. This time we can hopefully get Ron Paul some allies.

I do agree with you that we need to realize Ron Paul is not the end of this movement. We need to get "Ron Paul Republicans" elected at the local level and gradually promote change from within. However, I do think he should run third party if he doesn't win the GOP nomination. Even if he has no chance of winning, continuing to spread the message on a national level is very important.

 

[rp4prez]

I wish Ron would run as an independent even if he's a "long shot" because it would be more exposure for his message.. and I think we can all agree his message is very important!

 

[ronpaulitician]

Honestly, I never thought Paul would get the GOP ticket. Not with 30% of Americans still supporting Bush, because we all know that those 30% of people are members of the Republican Party.

If not for Obama, I think we could've convinced enough Democratic voters to change party (if just for a day) and vote for Paul to give him a fighting chance.

I'm not ready to end this campaign, but it's not going to get any easier from here on out if Paul doesn't get more than 10% in NH.

We'll really need to raise a lot of money to keep him in this fight.