Can Walmart and McDonald’s Afford a $15 Minimum Wage?

Of course they can.

I seriously hope they choose not to though.

I'd like to see 'em both voluntarily shut down for 90 days, just shut the doors and send everyone home. Call it a "paid training seminar" and give every employee $10.00 a week to log in to the company website for training...That way they'd not be liable to foot unemployment during the 90 days.

Just curious as to why you would like that.

Still thinking about this, and I'm sure as hell not a statist nor socialist, but I fucking HATE Wally World and do not shop there. I remember their "Made in the USA" TV ads when most of the shit in their stores was shipped in from China. I would LOVE to Wally World disappear.
 
Of course they can.

The question is can WE THE PEOPLE afford to pay $50 for hamburgers and for another Neiman Marcus-like department store ?

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Um, that's absurd to think the burgers would become so expensive. I know you're exaggerating but still. It would probably be more like a quarter and profits would still be healthy.

They cant afford to pay their workers $15 / hour, but YOU can.

See, the trick here is that they dont pay their employees jack shit. Then those employees have to apply for Welfare, Food Stamps, and any other form of monetary assistance they can qualify for. And THAT cost is passed directly on to you by way of your Govt printing up more money, which as we all well know is Inflation.

This racket costs the Taxpayers (I hate using that term) literally Billions.

^^^THIS, THIS, THIS

That's one of the reasons I detest Wally World. Like Costco, they can easily afford better wages (and they would get better employees, as a result) but nooooooo, why do that when you can have the welfare state pick up the costs of doing business! I guess this means the "taxpayer" is sort of subsidizing the products Wally World sells.

Why should they? An employer needs to keep his costs as low as possible, including labor costs. Fast food jobs are for those who have little to no skills, and therefore pay poorly. Those jobs are not intended to be careers, they are entry level jobs for teenagers and/or part time jobs for those looking to make extra money (housewives, college students, retirees, etc). If someone is of adult age, and the best job they can attain is flipping burgers, I have zero sympathy for them - they made choices in their life that relegated them to only being able to obtain this low paying job. If they cannot support themselves on this job, they have no one to blame but themselves.

You must have missed the memo about globalization and the race to the bottom. Low wage jobs are not just for kids anymore!


I don't believe in government interference in the economy. I DO think that people should make enough to live on if they work. For me, this is an ethical question, not a political/policy question. The guy that owns Costco took the ethical route. Their employees make about 30K per year (I thinks that's about 15 bucks per hour). Of course, to make a choice like that means that people will suffer. The CEO can't make 100 million a year and owners will be multi millionaires instead of billionaires. It's a sacrifice, I know.

Wally World thrived because precisely because of government interference via trade agreements and the importation of cheap shit made in China. With government help, they were able to bulldoze small communities, destroy mom and pop businesses, and when communities didn't want their monster stores, all of their massive profits allowed them to hire armies of lawyers to fight the communities. In town after town, they won. When they couldn't win, they bribed (which is how they built a Wally World right next to Teotihuacán where when you climb the pyramid of the sun you can look right on Wally World!). Now that this huge shift of wealth has been accomplished because of government interference, it should come as no surprise that we see a push for more government interference to shift some of that wealth back in the other direction. It's kind of peculiar that libertarians and conservatives never take that into consideration. Worse yet, they get all indignant that workers might think they are worth more and want enough to live modestly on. Why is it that shareholders, CEOs, etc, are so valued but the people without whom the stores could not operate are not? Oh, I know, supply and demand (and people like cheap shit) but the same is true for CEOs. I guarantee you that CEOs making 100 million a year could easily be replaced by bright and ambitions Indians who would work for WAY less and do just as a good a job. See how that works? Race to the bottom.

We are fast becoming like a banana republic. The only way to reverse that is to get rid of government managed trade and interference in the economy. Normal human compassion and common sense should indicate that companies making hundreds of billions per year and employees needing welfare to survive is a symptom that something is WRONG.

I read some article about a wealthy German businessman. He was addressing Germany's welfare state (whatever that may be, I don't know). His response was that he didn't want to be a rich man in a poor country. While I do not support a welfare state, I totally got what he was saying. We are becoming a poor country of consumers who fight over cheap shit on black Friday. I find that sick. I don't like what we have become and it's getting worse. If we don't get rid government interference on behalf of rich people, we are going to have to get used government interference on behalf of poor people. Or, we can work hard and hope to be part of the .001% in a poor country.


Yeah, it would move up the ladder all the way to the CEO which then must receive a hefty raise to keep his/her salary 3000 times over the average pay for employees of his/her company.

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I guess this boils down too...

Years ago we fought for a living wage that would allow for individuals to care for themselves. Now it seems people think they can cut wages down below this level and allow socialism to pick up where the wages leave off.

I suspect this concept will go about as well as we are witnessing!

This has more to do with a socialist takeover than supply and demand. Accept for maybe the counterfeiters have an unlimited supply of currency and the hard earned dollar no longer has any voice. We have to deliver what ever they demand!
 
Just curious as to why you would like that.

If Wally-World and McD's both shut down for 90 days paying their employees $10.00wk for "training" several things would happen;

The employees would either find other work or be grateful for a job when they reopened.

The consumers would realize that they don't need these businesses.

The businesses would realize that it takes employees and consumers to show a profit.

It'd do the whole lot of 'em good to go to their respective corners for a bit.
 
Slightly off topic:

I think Wal Marx executives have started another Propoganda campaign as I saw the same Wal Marx commercial that promoted "Wal Marx is a great place to worx"! I guess that even in the ranks of Wal Marx and McSocialism, they have their own sub-groups of One Percenters. Lookie, Im Full Time, get paid $8.25 and hour AND have Health Insurace! Yay me, Im in their top 1%!

I'll post the propoganda commercial as soon as I find it.
 
I guess this boils down too...

Years ago we fought for a living wage that would allow for individuals to care for themselves. Now it seems people think they can cut wages down below this level and allow socialism to pick up where the wages leave off.

I suspect this concept will go about as well as we are witnessing!

This has more to do with a socialist takeover than supply and demand. Accept for maybe the counterfeiters have an unlimited supply of currency and the hard earned dollar no longer has any voice. We have to deliver what ever they demand!

This is how the global plantation is created. The left/right paradigm works beautifully together to accomplish it. Of course, the globalists know exactly how this works and the unwitting tools at the bottom of the pyramid react in the predictable fashion to carry out the elite slave masters' plans. It's why rich banksters backed the Bolsheviks. You've got Republicans/conservatives on one side who see workers as nothing but units to be exploited for the bottom line (and fat CEO and upper level salaries, bonuses, perks, and benefits), and you've got Democrats/liberals who assist with their support of the nanny/welfare state which enables the Wally World's to keep paying unlivable wages and bolstering their profits. What's ethical and economically sound never enters into this equation. (Rank and file) Republicans seem to always line up behind the plantation masters and Democrats always line up behind the slaves, making it all just a matter of how the plantation will be run. The right wants to see the slaves worked like inhuman units and the left wants to see government enforce better slave conditions. This reminds me Stefan Malyneux and his video, The Story of Your Enslavement. What appalls me is that so many libertarians/freedom types haven't yet grasped how this works and carry on exactly like Republicans without any ethics. As Malyneux explains, you have to see farm (plantation) to leave it. Too many people on this forum and in the freedom movement can't see the farm and how their ideas contribute to creating it. Talking about supply and demand with labor in an honest God free market is just ludicrous when we live in a world where government and corporations have fascist arrangement and everything is controlled by complex trade agreements! Context is everything and I'm afraid a lot of well intentioned freedom peeps have lost the plot. It isn't wages being too high or minimum wage that's making us a banana republic, it's the fucking trade agreements and globalization. This is the British East India Company 2.0 and we are doomed if people can't figure this game out.
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to susano again.

This is how the global plantation is created. The left/right paradigm works beautifully together to accomplish it. Of course, the globalists know exactly how this works and the unwitting tools at the bottom of the pyramid react in the predictable fashion to carry out the elite slave masters' plans. It's why rich banksters backed the Bolsheviks. You've got Republicans/conservatives on one side who see workers as nothing but units to be exploited for the bottom line (and fat CEO and upper level salaries, bonuses, perks, and benefits), and you've got Democrats/liberals who assist with their support of the nanny/welfare state which enables the Wally World's to keep paying unlivable wages and bolstering their profits. What's ethical and economically sound never enters into this equation. (Rank and file) Republicans seem to always line up behind the plantation masters and Democrats always line up behind the slaves, making it all just a matter of how the plantation will be run. The right wants to see the slaves worked like inhuman units and the left wants to see government enforce better slave conditions. This reminds me Stefan Malyneux and his video, The Story of Your Enslavement. What appalls me is that so many libertarians/freedom types haven't yet grasped how this works and carry on exactly like Republicans without any ethics. As Malyneux explains, you have to see farm (plantation) to leave it. Too many people on this forum and in the freedom movement can't see the farm and how their ideas contribute to creating it. Talking about supply and demand with labor in an honest God free market is just ludicrous when we live in a world where government and corporations have fascist arrangement and everything is controlled by complex trade agreements! Context is everything and I'm afraid a lot of well intentioned freedom peeps have lost the plot. It isn't wages being too high or minimum wage that's making us a banana republic, it's the fucking trade agreements and globalization. This is the British East India Company 2.0 and we are doomed if people can't figure this game out.
 
Slightly off topic:

I think Wal Marx executives have started another Propoganda campaign as I saw the same Wal Marx commercial that promoted "Wal Marx is a great place to worx"! I guess that even in the ranks of Wal Marx and McSocialism, they have their own sub-groups of One Percenters. Lookie, Im Full Time, get paid $8.25 and hour AND have Health Insurace! Yay me, Im in their top 1%!

I'll post the propoganda commercial as soon as I find it.

Malyneux addresses the slave hierarchy in The Story of Your Enslavement. He really is a genius. Love that guy.
 
Zhang Changhua and Chen Suqin, a married couple. Years ago, they left their home in the Szechuan province to take low-paying jobs in a textile factory in Guangzhou, which is the huge industrial city on the mainland next to Hong Kong. Here, in row after row, they work bent over sewing machines, assembling perhaps the jeans I'm wearing right now. They live in dormitories — married adults, with next to no privacy.

They save every yuan they can to send home. They left their children behind to be raised by a grandmother. Their dream is that by 15 years of this toil, they will pay for the children to finish school and live better lives. For that dream, they have sacrificed the life of parenthood, and are like strangers at home to children who know them as voices on the telephone, seen on the annual visit.

This is a reality Dickens could hardly have imagined. The fruit of their toil has contributed to China's emergence as a global economic power. But their lives are a grim contrast to the glittering Beijing of the Olympics, the towers of Shanghai, the affluent new business class. And here is the part you may sense coming: Are their children grateful for what amounts to the sacrifice of two lifetimes?

[...]

We read about the suicides in Apple's plants in China. Seeing this film, you suspect there are many suicides among workers in factories whose brands are less famous than Apple. Chinese peasants no longer live without television and a vision of another world. They no longer live in a country without consumer luxuries. “Last Train Home” suggests that the times they are a-changin'. The rulers of China may someday regret that they distributed the works of Marx so generously.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/last-train-home-2010

Full film online: http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/last_train_home


I cried when I watched this. Don't think for a minute that the global elite don't want this all over the world.
 
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