Can someone succinctly explain to me Libertarianism?

[wizardwatson]

Libertarianism in one sentence. "Other people are not your property."

Well, remember, it's not non-aggression, it's non-initiator.

Once a group of "security" people decide you are the aggressor you become property of the security force. Where they can then begin killing, imprisoning, enslaving and chopping off limbs according to Ethics of Liberty.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Well, remember, it's not non-aggression, it's non-initiator.

Once a group of "security" people decide you are the aggressor you become property of the security force. Where they can then begin killing, imprisoning, enslaving and chopping off limbs according to Ethics of Liberty.

What is also cool is, no "official spokespersons" nor shepherds. Not even Murray.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Here's the main quote for whoever might be reading, not sure you're going to give it much attention.

"Ethics of Liberty, Chapter 9, Page 53

The point here is that only Tolstoyans are entitled to object to the violent overthrow of an entrenched criminal group; for everyone who is not a Tolstoyan favors the use of force and violence to defend against and punish criminal aggression. He must therefore favor the morality, if not the wisdom, of using force to overthrow entrenched criminality."

Right, Rothbard is not a pacifist. We've established that already.

Is that the extent of his alleged anti-Christian writings?

If so, I think you just conceded the debate.

You see when a well-read person reads those sentences he sees "Christian" in the place of "Tolstoyan".

No, a well-read person thinks of the pacifist political philosophy of Leo Tolstoy. For anyone unfamiliar, here's a lecture on the topic. Only a member of the miniscule fraction of self-ascribed Christians who align themselves with Tolstoy would read "Tolstoyan" as "Christian." What you've demonstrated here is that Rothbard is opposed to your own fringe interpretation of Christianity - not to the other 99.99% of Christians. In which case, who cares? My only purpose here was to make clear to any Christian reading this (that would be of the non-Tolstoyan variety) that, contrary to the implication of your charge, Rothbard is not opposed to them.

That's he alienated you and the other two dozen Tolstoyan Christians on the planet doesn't bother me in the least.

Who needs ya?

/debate

 

[Ronin Truth]

FWIW, I like Rothbard but LeFevre was my original mentor and is still my favorite.

The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action

 

[wizardwatson]

Right, Rothbard is not a pacifist. We've established that already.

Is that the extent of his alleged anti-Christian writings?

If so, I think you just conceded the debate.



No, a well-read person thinks of the pacifist political philosophy of Leo Tolstoy. For anyone unfamiliar, here's a lecture on the topic. Only a member of the miniscule fraction of self-ascribed Christians who align themselves with Tolstoy would read "Tolstoyan" as "Christian." What you've demonstrated here is that Rothbard is opposed to your own fringe interpretation of Christianity - not to the other 99.99% of Christians. In which case, who cares? My only purpose here was to make clear to any Christian reading this (that would be of the non-Tolstoyan variety) that, contrary to the implication of your charge, Rothbard is not opposed to them.

That's he alienated you and the other two dozen Tolstoyan Christians on the planet doesn't bother me in the least.

Who needs ya?

/debate

Yes, THANK YOU for clarifying!!!

Rothbard is only against the fringe Christians who align with Tolstoy. Precisely. The other 99.9% of Christians would definitely be in line with Rothbard. How true. So you are right to console the 99% non-Tolstoyan false Christians who think violent punishment of criminals is ok even though Jesus explicitly said otherwise. Because 99% of Christians deny Christ in words and deeds.

I'm not defending or speaking for the 99% of what this world calls Christians.

Jesus is not a peace-maker he is a sword. So thank you for helping me divide those who chant "Jesus" but subscribe to Rothbard's violent ideas of government from those like Tolstoy who actually follow him.

Jesus was "fringe". Always was. Still is.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Libertarianism (capital 'L') refers to the Libertarian Party (oxymoron) members who are actually mostly limited government conservatives in a GOP- lite statist political party.

 

[BV2]

live and let live.